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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:01 AM Jul 2013

Florida Shooting: 7 Dead In Hialeah Apartment Shootout, Including Gunman

Source: Huffington Post

HIALEAH, Fla. — A gunman holding hostages inside a South Florida apartment complex killed six people before being shot to death by a SWAT team that stormed the building early Saturday following an hours-long standoff, police said. Sgt. Eddie Rodriguez told The Associated Press that police got a call around 6:30 p.m. EDT Friday that shots had been fired in a building with dozens of apartments in Hialeah, just a few miles north of Miami.

Although a crisis team was able to briefly establish communication with the man, Rodriguez said talks eventually "just fell apart" with the gunman, who was holding two hostages on the fifth floor. Both of them survived when officers stormed the building, fatally shooting the gunman during an exchange of gunfire. "They made the decision to go in there and save and rescue the hostages," he said.

The dead bodies of three women and two men were found at two different apartment units inside the building, which Rodriguez said was in a "very quiet neighborhood." Another man who was walking his children into an apartment across the street also was killed. Rodriguez said it wasn't immediately clear whether the gunman took aim at him from an upper-level balcony or if he was hit by a stray bullet.

"From up there, he was able to shoot at people across the street, catching this one man who was just walking into his apartment," Rodriguez said.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/27/florida-shooting-hialeah_n_3663022.html



Cletus sez: 'Totally worth mah freedum.'

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Florida Shooting: 7 Dead In Hialeah Apartment Shootout, Including Gunman (Original Post) onehandle Jul 2013 OP
No surprise that it's Florida. mlmdu Jul 2013 #1
No surprise the shooting ceonupe Jul 2013 #3
No surprise the shooting ..... rdharma Jul 2013 #6
It's useless gaspee Jul 2013 #7
I know..... but it's fun..... rdharma Jul 2013 #12
There you have the motivation: "It's fun." Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #30
Reason has no chance with the gun huggers.... rdharma Jul 2013 #35
We know your priorities; no need to repeat Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #36
Very correct ceonupe Jul 2013 #8
good guy with a gun vs. bad guy with a gun. . .and your typo Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #11
Yea, we have a right to arm "ourselfs" rightsideout Jul 2013 #15
One particular section of the country... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #52
You can go suck it. n/t Ian David Jul 2013 #13
Your eloquence boggles the mind. nt raccoon Jul 2013 #55
Guns are not tools, Soundman Jul 2013 #17
What's a sledgehammer used for? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #26
I use them to Soundman Jul 2013 #41
So, would you say it's 'purpose' is based on the intent of the user? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #43
You're just being billh58 Jul 2013 #48
Guns are tools. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #75
I have never heard of a holster being referred to as a tool belt n/t. Soundman Jul 2013 #77
Neither is a defibrillator stored in a 'tool bag'. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #81
Yep, that's the billh58 Jul 2013 #79
Nobody regards guns as animate objects more than Gun Enthusiasts. Nobody. Paladin Jul 2013 #80
No, I don't hear about home invaders getting killed often. caseymoz Jul 2013 #29
"occasional story of a youth using a firearm to defend them selfs" ---Occasional? Why don't you try wordpix Jul 2013 #82
"occasional story of a youth using a firearm to defend them selfs"---very uninformed. Try wordpix Jul 2013 #83
The state which went for Obama? Twice? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #28
Way to 'Stand His Ground'. greiner3 Jul 2013 #2
Okay, cue NRA talking points about guns from Gundamentalists in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. . . Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #4
See post #8 for NRA talking points SecularMotion Jul 2013 #10
OMG! "Gundamentalists"! That's EXCELLENT!!! calimary Jul 2013 #18
And shorten it to . . . Brigid Jul 2013 #62
"Gundies!" OMG Brigid!!! calimary Jul 2013 #72
I have my moments. Brigid Jul 2013 #73
How about the badge sniffers.......... Historic NY Jul 2013 #23
Yep. it is. to anyone who thinks police can do no wrong. your point? Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #71
Well, all those dead bodies, but at least the Second Amendment survives. freshwest Jul 2013 #61
Well I am not a gundamentalist Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #76
They don't call it FloriDUH for nuttin'!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #5
Shooter exonerated post-mortem because he was "Standing-His-Ground" Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #9
if he killed black people, then SYG. If he killed white people, 1st degree murder Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #16
I lived in Hialeah many years ago and hated it RebelOne Jul 2013 #14
More GUNS! Ohio Joe Jul 2013 #19
more difficult to adopt a cat or dog there riverbendviewgal Jul 2013 #20
Any Constitutional experts here? Helen Borg Jul 2013 #21
Yes, but the gun-crazies don't want to hear that. Aristus Jul 2013 #24
Not according to the Supreme Court via Heller and McDonald. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #27
Who over the last three terms caseymoz Jul 2013 #32
The five RW stooges of the SCOTUS: Scalia, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito rdharma Jul 2013 #39
Wrong. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #56
Nah... GlashFordan Jul 2013 #59
The Democratic party platform says otherwise hack89 Jul 2013 #64
Where was George Zimmerman? OldRedneck Jul 2013 #22
He can't be everywhere. Pterodactyl Jul 2013 #31
Actually, it might be a new meme caseymoz Jul 2013 #33
The Adventures of Zimmerman!!!!! rdharma Jul 2013 #37
Fatter than the Goodyear blimp, dumber than six boxes of rocks Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #78
yay, guns! KG Jul 2013 #25
meanwhile, in Florida... Blue Palasky Jul 2013 #34
Gungeoneers defending billh58 Jul 2013 #38
You seem to be very confident that you will be able to pass draconian gun laws. ... spin Jul 2013 #47
This is not the past, billh58 Jul 2013 #49
I think that the laws you dream of will eventually pass. ... spin Jul 2013 #51
"Just you wait" has been the gun control motto for decades. hack89 Jul 2013 #65
Uncle Wayne and billh58 Jul 2013 #66
It is a harsh reality hack89 Jul 2013 #67
Spoken like a true billh58 Jul 2013 #68
+1. Thanks. (nt) Paladin Jul 2013 #69
We will see. hack89 Jul 2013 #74
I feel good about this, knowing that this man's and my own Crunchy Frog Jul 2013 #40
Hey Wayne are you watching ? olddots Jul 2013 #42
If only it had been raining guns, this never would have happened. Gungeoneer logic. nt valerief Jul 2013 #44
Hialeah is not a " quiet neighbourhood" darkangel218 Jul 2013 #45
I have lived in Hialeah too and the crime is not as bad as Liberty City. RebelOne Jul 2013 #53
The Triangle area of Opa Locka is aweful. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #54
Well, it wasn't when I lived there. I don't know about the present. n/t RebelOne Jul 2013 #58
gun stooges sigmasix Jul 2013 #46
Lemme guess... PatrynXX Jul 2013 #50
Another extrajudicial killing of an American citizen geek tragedy Jul 2013 #57
Another day in a Turbineguy Jul 2013 #60
God, how I love living in a society full of . . . Brigid Jul 2013 #63
A look at the victims in the Hialeah killings Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #70
so very sad... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #84
 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
12. I know..... but it's fun.....
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:43 AM
Jul 2013

.... to see them try to defend Wayne LaPierre's bizarre talking points.

In this case, it's the "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun" meme.

I wonder if this is a case of a "responsible" gun owner gone bad OR a bad guy who was able to get his hands on a gun thanks to lax gun safety laws.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
30. There you have the motivation: "It's fun."
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:44 AM
Jul 2013

No wonder gun-banners & controllers have problems with "intensity" regarding their ideology.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
35. Reason has no chance with the gun huggers....
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jul 2013

But maybe it's possible to embarrass them a bit by making fun of the utter nonsense they're spewing!

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
8. Very correct
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:27 AM
Jul 2013

Very correct.

Guns allow people to kill and kill rapidly.

Our laws allow people to own them and use them for defense.

Like many tools they can be used offensively and defensively.

We hear daily about people killed by armed home invaders and people killing home invaders. It goes both ways. We have incidents of negligence that kills children and the occasional story of a youth using a firearm to defend them selfs or family.

I'm on the side of allowing people to arm themselfs I respect that you disagree.

Just remember when seconds count the police are often minutes away unless its Detroit then it may be an hour or next day.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
11. good guy with a gun vs. bad guy with a gun. . .and your typo
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:37 AM
Jul 2013

themselfs should be themselves. you did it twice.

 

Soundman

(297 posts)
17. Guns are not tools,
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jul 2013

Tools are used to build things, guns are made to kill things. But I guess this is the price we have to pay so a few morons can continue bastardizing the 2nd amendment in an unabated fashion, Hooooray!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
26. What's a sledgehammer used for?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jul 2013

I'm confused. I've never seen one work like the Forge of Solus Prime. Usually you just smash shit with them.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
48. You're just being
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jul 2013

willfully obtuse. The "designed" purpose of any object has absolutely nothing to do with the "intent" of the user. The designed purpose of a lethal weapon is to inflict bodily harm and/or kill.

That a gun can be used for other purposes does not alter it's primary designed function as a weapon. That a sledgehammer can be used for harm does not alter its primary designed function as a construction tool. Guns are not "tools" in the common use of the word, except in the Gungeon and in NRA propaganda.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
75. Guns are tools.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:05 AM
Jul 2013

Just like a Defib is a tool. They are meant for solving problems.

The only guns in my safe that have ever been used on humans, were used on fascists, in the last world war. Proper use of said tool.

Tools can be mis-used. That's why I keep mine under tight lock and key.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
79. Yep, that's the
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:25 PM
Jul 2013

false definition that the NRA teaches you people, and that Gungeoneers keep spouting as gospel. But that's okay, most Americans have enough common sense to know that a gun is NOT a tool, but rather a lethal weapon designed for killing. You can use it as a hammer or a club, but that is not what it was designed for.

Paladin

(28,265 posts)
80. Nobody regards guns as animate objects more than Gun Enthusiasts. Nobody.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jul 2013

A review of the DU Gun Control/RKBA group on any given day will confirm that. "Guns are Tools"? Not for you folks.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
29. No, I don't hear about home invaders getting killed often.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jul 2013

Not nearly as much as homes are invaded.

Insurance companies recently nixed plans to arm school staff. It's not because insurance companies are liberal lefties who want all guns confiscated, it's because their actuaries determined it makes schools less safe, not more. Very bad for business.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/us/schools-seeking-to-arm-employees-hit-hurdle-on-insurance.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I admit that's slightly off-topic talking about schools, but my point is when dollars are on the line, the ideological distortion is suddenly corrected, and it's easy to see which statistics are valid.



wordpix

(18,652 posts)
82. "occasional story of a youth using a firearm to defend them selfs" ---Occasional? Why don't you try
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:00 AM
Jul 2013

living or working in the low income district of any large city? Youths can and do get guns regularly, not only to protect themselves but to threaten and harm others for some slight like suspecting someone took a piece of jewelry. (This was a reason one youth was shot in DC last year and during the young man's funeral, others were shot in retaliation).

One of my hs students in the inner city who is headed for college was accosted by two other hs students who showed a gun and asked if he was a certain person. My student said no, and luckily he had a school ID and showed it to them. They all then had a pleasant conversation and the gunmen went off to find their target.

What is your solution to youths getting guns illegally? Loosening up gun control laws, I suppose

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
83. "occasional story of a youth using a firearm to defend them selfs"---very uninformed. Try
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:07 AM
Jul 2013

living or working in the low income district of any large city. Youths can and do get guns regularly, not only to protect themselves but to threaten and harm others for some slight like suspecting someone took a piece of jewelry. (This was the reason one youth was shot in DC last year and during his funeral, several others were shot in retaliation).

One of my wonderful hs students in the inner city was accosted by two other hs students who showed a gun and asked if he was a certain person. My student said no, and luckily he had a school ID and showed it to them. They all then had a pleasant conversation and the gunmen went off to find their target.

One block from the school, a young mother was shot while boarding a bus with her child. She was shot by the child's father.

"Occasional?" Get police reports from large US cities daily and you will see regular youth violence with guns.

What is your solution to youths getting guns illegally? Loosening up gun control laws, I suppose

calimary

(81,322 posts)
18. OMG! "Gundamentalists"! That's EXCELLENT!!!
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jul 2013

Did you come up with that, Nanjing to Seoul? That is a GREAT one!!!

Should be said, read, and spread!!!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
61. Well, all those dead bodies, but at least the Second Amendment survives.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jul 2013

Honestly, these clowns are using their Constitutional rights to bring down the Constitution itself.

Because with each increasingly outrageous act, people lose respect for the rule of law and will fall prey to demagogues.

Nice job on the behalf of the Koch brothers, Grover Nordquist and the rest. Destabilizing the country from top to bottom and push Civil War. And of course, the free flow of weaponry is required for that.

Defunding public education, but maintaining media monopoly as the fall back agency of educating the public, slashing funds for community programs to help people like this or bring them to account before this happens, and promoting fear and hatred.

Then demonize the police for getting militarized in the face of military grade weaponry, or for shooting this guy, while he was on a rampage with no other way of stopping him but by SWAT.

No peaceful methods were in force that could have staved off this event, in fact the NRA made sure he had the most lethal killing machines without anyone knowing it and no controls.

Koch Khaos wins again. Someone think up another K to go with those two, since it would fit.


Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
76. Well I am not a gundamentalist
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:54 AM
Jul 2013

but I also live in Fl and in my county we have been having quite a few armed home invasions. People are robbed after being made to lie facedown and some get shot. It is getting pretty brazen IMO. I am armed and I have a big dog. I doubt and hope I never need it for that purpose but I am glad I have it just in case. I don't follow the NRA so I have no talking points for you.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
14. I lived in Hialeah many years ago and hated it
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jul 2013

The main thing I hated is that Hialeah is about 80% Cuban and no one speaks English even in mainstream stores. I would become very adamant when a sales person spoke to me in Spanish.

My daughter lives there now not very far from the shooting incident.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
20. more difficult to adopt a cat or dog there
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jul 2013

Than to buy a gun, per the comment on this story.

I loved visiting Florida, but will never set foot in this state again. GUNS, GUNS, GUNS. I never associate the beaches and palm trees with Florida any more, just guns and murders.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
21. Any Constitutional experts here?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jul 2013

Didn't the second amendment cover state militias, not random individuals owning guns?

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
24. Yes, but the gun-crazies don't want to hear that.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jul 2013

They'd shoot you rather than repeat the phrase "A well-regulated militia" without irony or sarcasm.

Hell, they'd probably shoot you anyway, just for the fun of it. That's why they're gun-crazies.

They claim to hate government, but they love the standing army that the Founding Fathers believed was a tool of tyranny. It's why the Founders wanted militias.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
32. Who over the last three terms
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jul 2013

Who've shown over the last three terms they have no problem legislating from the bench, Constructionism be damned.
 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
39. The five RW stooges of the SCOTUS: Scalia, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas, Alito
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 12:06 PM
Jul 2013

And RW gun huggers LOVE them!

NutmegYankee

(16,200 posts)
56. Wrong.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013

It has been upheld as a citizen's right for over 200 years. In fact, the phrase "the right of the people" matches the wording used for the personal right to be secure from unreasonable search and seizure.

The wording referring to a well regulated militia means that the people (who were the defense of the nation) needed to be able to be immediately called up and able to form militias to defend the nation. That was ensured by having them familiar with guns and to have them on hand to do so. Think minutemen. In this instance, regulated is the older archaic definition meaning "good order". That was a common definition in that era. This first phrase is a justification for the need of the second clause.

Obviously our nation abandoned this defense method as newer tactics, such as Napoleon's, demonstrated the importance of a professional standing army for defense.

 

GlashFordan

(216 posts)
59. Nah...
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jul 2013

Who WERE the militia at the time of the constitution? Yeah, just normal people. Has the definition of militia been clarified in the last 230 years? Yeah...
And cannons used by militia in the revolutionary war? Yeah, privately owned too. Even in the Civil War cannons and rifles were often purchased by private individuals to arm a volunteer group.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
64. The Democratic party platform says otherwise
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jul 2013

I suspect you will not be happy.

And BTW, President Obama has stated the 2A protects an individual right.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
22. Where was George Zimmerman?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jul 2013

After all, didn't Z'man rescue an entire family from a blazing SUV a few days ago?

Why didn't he rush to the scene and stop this carnage with a single well-aimed shot to the head of the gunman?

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
33. Actually, it might be a new meme
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jul 2013

. . . that needs to go viral. A Photoshop pictorial, George to the rescue!
 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
78. Fatter than the Goodyear blimp, dumber than six boxes of rocks
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jul 2013

Able to pull people from a car crash after willfully killing an unarmed black kid in cold blood. . .it's ZIMMER MAN!!!

Standing for truth (well, no). . .justice (hahahahahaha!!!!) and the American Stand-Your-Ground way!

billh58

(6,635 posts)
38. Gungeoneers defending
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jul 2013

another Florida murderer, and spouting NRA propaganda while doing so. "Guns are just tools," and "good guy with a gun" are just about the best they have, along with "Heller, Heller, Heller."

The American people are waking up to their bullshit, and sane gun regulations will be the result. Gun huggers need to prepare to deal with the coming changes for the betterment of our society.

spin

(17,493 posts)
47. You seem to be very confident that you will be able to pass draconian gun laws. ...
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jul 2013

Considering the lack of success that your efforts to pass a federal assault weapons ban enjoyed this year, I find your attitude overly optimistic.

Even the effort to modestly expand the background check system (which I supported) failed.

My mother used to tell me, "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."

billh58

(6,635 posts)
49. This is not the past,
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jul 2013

and a new demographic is emerging. I am confident that obscene SYG and "gunz for everyone" laws purchased from corrupt politicians by the NRA over the years will be reversed, and that sanity will prevail. Maybe not tomorrow, or next year even, but soon.

spin

(17,493 posts)
51. I think that the laws you dream of will eventually pass. ...
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jul 2013

But it will be a long time in the future.

It is quite possible that the gun control movement will enjoy more success at the state level than the national level. New York State passed a strong gun control law this year. Since New York is a gun unfriendly state this law will probably survive attempts by the gun rights groups to overturn it.

You would definitely consider me to be a "gun hugger" but I do support improvements to our current gun laws. The problem the gun control side of the debate had was they overreached and tried to push laws though Congress that had little or no chance of passing.

A more reasonable approach might have resulted in a compromise and we would now have better background checks on the sale of all firearms, both public and private. We no longer would have a "gun show loophole."

I do not expect any real efforts to pass strong gun control in the new year because of the midterm elections. Of course after the midterms we may see a strong push for gun control if the Republicans lose the House and seats in the Senate. The problem that I see is that it is quite possible that the efforts to pass strong gun control may lead to a loss of Democratic seats in the House and the Senate. Time will tell.



hack89

(39,171 posts)
65. "Just you wait" has been the gun control motto for decades.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:27 PM
Jul 2013

while steadily losing ground year after year. We have cut our murder rate in half - perhaps that explains why that imaginary support never actually materializes.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
67. It is a harsh reality
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jul 2013

it is hard to imagine any "mass" movement so dependent on self delusion and a fundamental misleading of public support. It has been one failure after another for decades - it has been steadily down hill since 1994. And yet you honestly think that somehow things are going to change.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
68. Spoken like a true
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jul 2013

NRA acolyte, and someone who fantasizes that gunz for everyone, anytime, anyplace, is what the Constitution actually means. It's okay however, because a new generation of voters is coming of age before our eyes, and they have had greatly different experiences from you and I. They are beginning to see the great harm that the unfettered proliferation of weapons does to our communities and our youth.

I have no delusions that although your kind is in the minority, and that you have managed to have obscene gun regulations passed by legislatures and town councils without the pesky old voting process interfering with the NRA-funded process, that it will take as long as it takes to undo the damage you have done to this country.

In the end, reason and sanity will prevail, and reasonable gun owners like Gabby Giffords will help bring about needed changes concerning the regulation of deadly weapons in this nation. Far from being self-delusion, it is fast becoming self-determination for the betterment of our society as a whole.

You may now spout some more NRA propaganda, and make yourself and your Gungeon "cold dead hands" flock feel better about yourselves. After all, you deserve all of the good will that you can manufacture for each other. Wayne and Ted might even give you and your Gungeon dwellers an honorable mention in their next round of right-wing hate speeches.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
74. We will see.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:08 PM
Jul 2013

I don't really care that much. I live in a deep blue state with some of the country's strictest gun control laws - a state that just emphatically rejected stricter gun control laws post Newtown. You hang your hat on those future generations - the present has not been kind.to you and I understand the need for some kind of hope.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
45. Hialeah is not a " quiet neighbourhood"
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jul 2013

Its one of the bad parts of Miami. I've never lived there, but it was always on the news for various crimes.

Worst parts of Miami as far as crime : Liberty City, Lil Haiti, Opa locka and Hialeah.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
53. I have lived in Hialeah too and the crime is not as bad as Liberty City.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jul 2013

I have also lived in Opa-Locka, but that was many years ago and as far as I know it was a very peaceful area.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
46. gun stooges
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jul 2013

NRA- loving morons: you'll have to take their guns from the cold, dead hands of their children. The Obama Derangment Syndrome includes a huge contingent of cowardly white men that don't feel safe without a gun strapped to their body. Cowards and guns go together like Ted Nugent and pre-teen girls.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
57. Another extrajudicial killing of an American citizen
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jul 2013

without a trial or any semblance of due process. The police appointed themselves judge, jury, and executioner,

/snark

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
70. A look at the victims in the Hialeah killings
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jul 2013

[center]

Pedro Alberto Vargas, gunman [/center]

A look at the victims in the Hialeah killings
By Patricia Mazzei
pmazzei@MiamiHerald.com

Six neighbors did routine, mundane things Friday evening in Hialeah. A father parked his car after his son’s boxing practice. A family hung out inside their apartment. A husband and wife, both building managers, knocked on a tenant’s door.

At some point, the tenant pulled out a 9mm pistol.

By the end of the night, the six neighbors were dead. So was the gunman, identified by Hialeah Police as Pedro Alberto Vargas, 42, killed by a SWAT team that stormed the apartment where for hours he kept two more neighbors hostage.

These are the victims’ stories.

Samira and Italo Pisciotti

The first to die were Italo and Samira Pisciotti, the husband and wife who managed the building at 1485 W 46th St. where Vargas and his mother, Esperanza Patterson, were tenants of apartment 408.

After an apparent dispute, Vargas fired about 15 to 20 shots, killing 78-year-old Italo and 68-year-old Samira.

More:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/27/3526078/a-look-at-the-victims-in-the-hialeah.html#storylink=cpy

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
84. so very sad...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jul 2013

lemme guess: he *never* had a recorded history of any mental/emotional instability, either??

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