Dozens die as clashes erupt at Morsi rally in Cairo

[Bosonic]

Last edited Sat Jul 27, 2013, 07:14 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: AFP

CAIRO — Dozens of Mohamed Morsi's supporters were shot dead in the Egyptian capital on Saturday as violence erupted after a night of massive rallies for and against the ousted Islamist president.

An AFP correspondent counted at least 37 bodies at a makeshift mortuary in an Islamist-run field hospital, with doctors saying they were all killed by live rounds.

Essam Sultan, head of the health ministry's emergency services, told AFP other hospitals had received 29 bodies of people killed in the clashes.

The bloodshed came hours after the military-backed interior minister, Mohammed Ibrahim, warned a long-running sit-in at Cairo's Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque by Morsi loyalists would be ended "in the framework of the law". Sultan said his toll included only bodies that had reached morgues, and excluded the 37 at the Rabaa al-Adawiya field hospital at the mosque.

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Previously...

Egypt: 16 killed in clashes near pro-Morsi rally

CAIRO (AP) — An Egyptian doctor at a field hospital says at least 16 supporters of ousted President Mohammed Morsi have been killed near a Cairo demonstration following clashes with security forces.

Yehia Mikkia says the overnight night clashes have overwhelmed the hospital operating from the sit-in where the protesters have been camped for over three weeks. He said early Saturday at least 16 were killed.

Police fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Morsi supporters near the sit-in, setting off clashes that lasted for hours— in a possible sign of a new intolerance for marches that block city streets.

The clashes erupted following a day when millions took to the streets answering a call from the army chief, who said he wanted a mandate to stop "potential terrorism" by Morsi supporters.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ousted-egypt-president-detained-over-hamas-contact

[Comrade Grumpy]

1. This is what democracy looks like?

"...at least 16 supporters of ousted President Mohammed Morsi have been killed near a Cairo demonstration following clashes with security forces."

A coup is a coup, no matter that the Obama administration is too mealy-mouthed to say so. And the military government behaves like a military government, with the help of our tax dollars. To the degree that our government is supporting the coup regime, the blood of those demonstrators, and the 51 gunned down earlier, is on our hands.

[joshcryer]

10. Remember, the US was happy with Turkey's junta.

They would also be fine with Egypt having a junta for as long as it took.

[Alamuti Lotus]

2. the increasingly fascist nature of the military regime on full display

It helps that General Sisi happens to perfectly look the part of some banana republic dictator. Unfortunately, the Egyptian liberals have tied their fortunes to licking the coattails of this regime, in the misguided hopes that its bullets will deliver them power that they were utterly unable to achieve with the ballot.

[Bosonic]

3. Egypt crisis: 'Scores killed' at Cairo protest

More than 100 people are reported to have been killed in Cairo at a protest held by supporters of ousted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi.

Running battles are taking place around the Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque and there is blood on the streets, says the BBC's Quentin Sommerville at the scene.

A doctor at a field hospital close to the protest said that in addition to the dead, more than 1,000 were injured.

Both pro- and anti-Morsi supporters had been holding huge protests overnight.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23474645

[Comrade Grumpy]

4. This is turning into a massacre. Al Jazeera reporting at least 120 dead.

Time for the Obama administration to rethink.

[Alamuti Lotus]

11. Rethink what, exactly?

The Egyptian military receives their US aid with three purposes in mind: benefit US arms dealers, keep Israel safe, prevent Egyptian democracy. At present, General Sisi is doing a magnificent job of all of the above from the perspective of the US gov't; massacres such as those presently occurring are not an aberration of US policy in such matters, they are its expected outcome.

[dipsydoodle]

5. Reuters latest news :

Reuters) - Egyptian security forces shot dead at least 70 supporters of ousted President Mohammed Mursi early on Saturday, his Muslim Brotherhood said, deepening the turmoil which has convulsed Egypt for weeks.

Brotherhood spokesman Gehad El-Haddad said the shooting started shortly before pre-dawn morning prayers on the fringes of a round-the-clock vigil being staged by backers of Mursi, who was toppled by the army more than three weeks ago.

"They are not shooting to wound, they are shooting to kill," Haddad said, adding that the death toll might be much higher.

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Al Jazeera's Egypt television station reported that 120 had been killed and some 4,500 injured in the early morning violence on the fringes of a round-the-clock vigil being staged by backers of Mursi near Cairo's Rabaa al-Adawia mosque.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/27/uk-egypt-protests-idUKBRE96O13O20130727

"They are not shooting to wound, they are shooting to kill,"

[Turborama]

6. BBC: "More than 100 people are reported to have been killed in Cairo...."

Egypt crisis: 'Scores killed' at Cairo protest

27 July 2013 Last updated at 07:58 GMT

More than 100 people are reported to have been killed in Cairo at a protest held by supporters of ousted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi.

Clashes are still taking place around the Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque and there is blood on the streets, says the BBC's Quentin Sommerville at the scene.

A doctor at a field hospital close to the protest said that in addition to the dead, more than 1,000 were injured.

=snip=

It is not yet clear whether the clashes around the mosque represent a concerted effort by the security forces to clear the area.

More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23474645

(I suggest updating the OP to accurately reflect the enormity of this)

[Bosonic]

7. I'll wait until there is a clearer figure

[Turborama]

8. Fair enough, but updates can be updated

IYKWIM?

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. Aljazeera: Scores reported killed in Egypt clashes

Medics at field hospital say 75 killed, but state TV says 21 dead and 177 injured in overnight clashes with police.

Doctors at a field hospital run by the demonstrators said on Saturday that 75 people had been killed close to the Morsi supporters' nearly month-old sit-in at the Rabaah al-Adawiyah Mosque in Cairo's Nasr City.
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Running battles broke out at dawn on the road to Cairo international airport, with police firing tear gas at stone-throwing protesters, the official MENA news agency said.

Thousands of supporters and opponents of the coup also took to the streets of the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, sparking fierce clashes that killed seven people and wounded 194.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/07/201372774215454742.html

There was no immediate comment from state authorities, but state TV citing health ministry said at least 21 people were killed and 177 injured.

[dipsydoodle]

12. Now 130 +

Guardian live link here : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2013/jul/27/egypt-clashes-morsi-supporters-live

[Scootaloo]

13. So, hey. Where are all those people who were cheering for this coup?

C'mon, DU'ers, I know you're out there, I saw you. You know, all your cheering about how the military violently overthrew a democratically-elected government you didn't like? All of you who said it was the people's will, even while those people were telling you it was an effort backed by Qatari and American interests? C'mon you pestilent fucks, I want to see you own this.

[John2]

16. Ok, I'm one

who has a different perspective. I don't think President Obama or the U.S. Congress has any control over the Egyptian military or Egypt like they want to think. And I think Americans are delusional to think so.

They are not killing the opponents of the Muslim Brotherhood. Those people don't accept being governed by the Muslim Brotherhood. You notice what is happening in Libya now? It is all tied to the Entire Middle East.

The Obama Administration and Congress is only interested in controling Egypt for two purposes. The interests of Israel and the Suez Canal, which makes Egypt a very important country to them. That is why they give aid to Egypt. It has nothing to do with their people. It is the same case with Britain and France.

They lose Egypt as an Ally, then it hurts their influence on the Middle East tremendously. They already do not have ties in Iran. The Egyption military has been suppressing the Muslim Brotherhood for decades by every Egyptian President. It was the same case in Libya and Syria. It was the same case in Iraq.

The problem with the Muslim Brotherhood is they are a religious organization, that threatens the rights of others. These other people are secularists, that want religious freedom, and worship whom they want. Having a Religious sect in politics is not compatible to the ideas of true Democracy. I hope the logic isn't too complicated for you so far?

Now I'm not Arab, but an American whose values and morals came from part of this country's history. I'll give you an analogy here in American History. This country use to support slavery. At least the majority of it. It took a small group of people to denounce it. People even gave their lives to denounce it. If I had to live under a group's religious ideolegy, regardless if they are the majority, I feel like that is slavery. That is not the Kind of Democracy I believe in. Placing religious ideology into Government by the State is forced religion and should be banned.
I can't be no clearer on that.

I take a great interest in the American Civil War and why people killed thousands of their fellow citizens. I think Joshua Chamberlain couldn't phrase it any better than the scourge of slavery and the the South's idea of Democracy was wrong. People don't want the religious extremists idea of Democracy governing their lives. It is just another form of slavery to them. Especially women who don't want it.

[David__77]

19. Barack Obama doesn't post here, but he would be one.

Though of course he said that this was not a coup at all.

[Arctic Dave]

14. Awesome, Obama has more dead bodies on his resume.

Looks like his "none coup" buddies are massacring protestors. Just like the last guy did.

Oh well, it's kind of expected of him after he thought the coup in Ecuador was just peachy also.

[totodeinhere]

15. I'm afraid it's going to be a knock down drag out fight between the

secularists and the Islamists and the violence will only get worse.

[John2]

17. So was

our Civil War, incuding the religous wars of Europe.

[dipsydoodle]

18. Egyptian police, acting on behalf of the military, are still claiming they didn't use live rounds

so I can only assume that over 100 Morsi suppprters shot themselves dead.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. " mostly killed by bullet wounds, especially by snipers"

Medics at a nearby field hospital told the BBC they believed about 70% of the casualties were caused by live fire - with many of the victims hit in the chest or head by snipers firing from rooftops.

"They were mostly killed by bullet wounds, especially by snipers, especially in the head. We have nearly cut throats, just like animals," said Doctor Hesham Ibrahim.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23478947

And the rest of that report is:

Egypt's interior minister has warned supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi that they will "soon" be dispersed from a sit-in in Cairo.

Minister Mohammed Ibrahim said lawsuits filed by residents near a mosque provide legal cover for the clearance.

which sounds like a promise of more shooting tonight.