Paul Ryan claims Obamacare building 'biggest database ever collected on us'
Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan said Tuesday that a "data hub" being compiled for Obamacare presents a danger to Americans.
"This thing gives me a tingle down my spine. It's just chilling," the Janesville Republican told conservative Milwaukee talk show host Charlie Sykes on WTMJ-AM (620).
"It's the biggest database ever collected on us, meaning people, the citizens of this country," Ryan claimed.
Ryan said the data hub will merge databases from the Internal Revenue Service, Social Security, the Department of Homeland Security and other federal and state agencies. The hub will be used to determine eligibility for Obamacare subsidies, he said.
Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/216600631.html
Sykes's latest book is called A Nation of Moochers. Of course he's going to invite Paul Ryan on to make sh__ up about ObamaCare. As the JS reports, Politifact rated this database claim as Pants on Fire when Michele Bachmann made similar claim in May.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)them dare Databases, or whatever you call em, are sum scary thingys!
blm
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Three-quarters of their political contributions went to Republicans in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles. Chief architect of the Republican budget agenda, Paul Ryan, received $15,000 in the last two cycles alone. Ryan proposed a budget that would essentially do away with Medicare and has blasted Obamas health care plan. WellPoint has spent $4.4 million dollars on campaign contributions since the 2006 cycle, according to records from OpenSecrets.
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Blue Owl
(50,532 posts)During the Bu$h years, data collection is GOOD.
During the Obama years, data collection is BAD.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Only now it's good because Obama is doing it while it was bad when Bush was doing it.
Personally, I think that data bases with proper safeguards against abuse are good but many don't want to hear that kind of crazy talk.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Obama is black, a Democrat and supposedly liberal. So, that's three strikes in his book. Bush is a white Republican conservative, so he gets a free pass for just about anything.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Because I doubt Rand Paul actually knows much about it, and he is clearly winging it.
savalez
(3,517 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Response to bemildred (Reply #6)
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savalez
(3,517 posts)"collecting data" outrage.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)The OP is about Paul Ryan.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Rand Paul is an ideologue who truly believes in the teabagging ideology however wrong.
Paul Ryan is an opportunist who will believe anything as long as it gets him elected.
But, you're right -- they are both assholes.
meanit
(455 posts)What desperate nonsense.
I think Ryan just jumped the shark with that one.
daschess1987
(192 posts)I picture him making a stronger run than his dad Ru did with the libertarians (most of whom have never voted libertarian), and he was even snaking in on some progressive turf with his "sue the NSA" stunt, but the republican party sold its soul to the false prophets on the far right of Christian ideology. I will never become overconfident during an election year, but at this time, I just don't see how they can regain the White House (short of a full-fledged military coup).
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)The OP is about Paul Ryan.
daschess1987
(192 posts)Maybe he has legitimate concerns... DEFINITELY blame the booze on that hypothesis.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:27 PM - Edit history (2)
Not by the traditional definition of "database." The "hub" the government is creating is a mechanism for extracting data from a variety of databases that exist at other agencies. The hub doesnt collect, centralize and store data; it is designed to allow real-time access to data that resides on the servers of other agencies in order to verify transactions related to the health insurance exchanges created under Obamas law.
In an April 22, 2013, release, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, a part of HHS, said that it has completed the hubs technical design and is in the midst of testing it. "The hub will not store consumer information, but will securely transmit data between state and federal systems to verify consumer application information," the center said in the statement. HHS pledges "strict privacy controls to safeguard personal information," added Brian Cook, a spokesman for the department.
"This is not a huge national database of health records," said Deven McGraw, director of the health privacy project at the Center for Democracy and Technology, which advocates for Internet freedom.
From a 2007 letter from Rep. Brad Miller, then-chairman of the Subcommittee on Investigations and Oversight:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023321556
But documents now indicate that the FTTTF is expanding its mission to encompass the
"detection, identification, and tracking of individuals or entities that pose threats to the United
States and its interests through the use of advanced analytical techniques, technologies, and data
resources." This mission will be accomplished through the use of bulk data analysis, pattern
analysis, trend analysis and other programs, according to Justice Department budget documents
reviewed by the Subcommittee. "The FBI's efforts to define predictive models and patterns of
behavior will improve efforts to identify "sleeper cells," the documents suggest. The centerpiece
ofthis greatly enhanced effort will be a newly proposed National Security Branch Analysis
Center (NSAC).
The FBI is seeking $12 million for the center in FY2008, which will include 90,000
square feet of office space and a total of 59 staff, including 23 contractors and five FBI agents.
Documents predict the NSAC will include six billion records by FY2012. This amounts to 20
separate "records" for each man, woman and child in the United States. The ''universe of
subjects will expand exponentially" with the expanded role of the NSAC, the Justice Department
documents assert.
The expanded and sweeping scope of the NSAC bears a striking resemblance to the
Defense Advanced Research Project Agency's Total Information Awareness program which
Congress terminated funding for in 2003 because of privacy and other concerns. Sharing critical
information that can help law enforcement officer' s track down known terrorists is
extraordinarily important and needs to be improved. But the NSAC proposes to do much more
than simply track down known terrorist suspects. Eleven of its proposed 59 staff will constitute
a Proactive Data Exploitation unit - tasked with ferreting out "patterns" of suspicious behavior in
the data the center collects. "The NSAC will leverage existing data mining tools to help identify
relationships between individuals, locations, and events that may be indicators of terrorist or
other activities of interest," according to the Justice Department budget documents
~snip~
Given the scope of the NSAC endeavor, Congress has a duty to understand fully what
information will be contained in the "records" it collects, whether the "records" of U.S. citizens
will be included in its database, how this data will be employed and how the FBI plans to ensure
that the data is not misused or abused in any way. A critical question is how the FBI will ensure
that the records it obtains from other agencies is accurate, valid and complies with federal legal
guidelines and policies. The FTTTF, for instance, shares "innovative technology" with the
Defense Department's Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA) and the proposed NSAC will
presumably maintain or expand on this relationship. This is of particular concern given the fact
that the Defense Department has acknowledged that CIFA was compiling data in one of its
databases on non-violent war protesters and civil rights activists in violation of DOD's own
policies. The Bureau needs to beware that it does not repeat the mistakes of other agencies.
Even with those assurances the agency may have difficulty developing and operating the NSAC.
So if collecting info on millions of Americans is useless for catching terrorists, what is it good for? Hmm...
Edit to add: If Google searches for, say, " ___ cancer symptoms" could be flagged, that info could be given to health insurers to determine whether one is being fraudulent in claiming that they have no health issues when acquiring health insurance, and as such, subject to rescission. Or, expecting health issues, health insurers may decide to raise premiums.
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq-aca2.html
Rescissions
Q7: The Affordable Care Act (through Public Health Service Act section 2712) generally provides that plans and issuers must not rescind coverage unless there is fraud or an individual makes an intentional misrepresentation of material fact. A rescission is defined as it is commonly understood under the law a cancellation or discontinuance of coverage that has a retroactive effect, except to the extent attributable to a failure to pay timely premiums towards coverage.
Is the exception to the statutory ban on rescission limited to fraudulent or intentional misrepresentations about prior medical history? What about retroactive terminations of coverage in the normal course of business?
The statutory prohibition related to rescissions is not limited to rescissions based on fraudulent or intentional misrepresentations about prior medical history. An example in the Departments interim final regulations on rescissions clarifies that some plan errors (such as mistakenly covering a part-time employee and providing coverage upon which the employee relies for some time) may be cancelled prospectively once identified, but not retroactively rescinded unless there was some fraud or intentional misrepresentation by the employee.
On the other hand, some plans and issuers have commented that some employers human resource departments may reconcile lists of eligible individuals with their plan or issuer via data feed only once per month. If a plan covers only active employees (subject to the COBRA continuation coverage provisions) and an employee pays no premiums for coverage after termination of employment, the Departments do not consider the retroactive elimination of coverage back to the date of termination of employment, due to delay in administrative record-keeping, to be a rescission.
Similarly, if a plan does not cover ex-spouses (subject to the COBRA continuation coverage provisions) and the plan is not notified of a divorce and the full COBRA premium is not paid by the employee or ex-spouse for coverage, the Departments do not consider a plans termination of coverage retroactive to the divorce to be a rescission of coverage. (Of course, in such situations COBRA may require coverage to be offered for up to 36 months if the COBRA applicable premium is paid by the qualified beneficiary.)
The key vote in determining the constitutionality of the ACA was Justice Roberts, the same person who picks the judges for the FISA court.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Orrex
(63,243 posts)Fluoridation of water?
mbperrin
(7,672 posts)God would not allow shit like Ryan to exist.
AIDS? Okay.
Polio? Check.
Smallpox? Uh-huh.
PAUL RYAN??????? NO FUCKING WAY!!! ABORT! ABORT!
Didn't happen that way, but I keep hoping for a fortunate karmic event.
sinkingfeeling
(51,482 posts)there's already a record of every American in a database.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)that will be imbedded into legend, truth, half-truth and just plain bullshit, as we get nothing of value and have to deal with our side blasting propaganda as much as the republicans.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)In fact, Ryan would claim that those are far worse because our evil government will expand its spying directly into our medical records because the evil government would in fact have total access to those records.
joshcryer
(62,279 posts)So people don't skip out on their share of the funds.
So yes, he'd say the same thing about Single Payer.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)the government is trying to organize that information more efficiently.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I've heard this End of Days drivel all my life. They've got versions for all generations.
Lights, camera, action, sound and fury! Wake up! It's the Truth! You have to believe!
Now the newest version is to become a Sovereign Citizen and shoot down liberals as soon as you see the whites of their eyes!
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
~ From the Book of Reagan, RWV.
SSDD.
railsback
(1,881 posts)They've figured out a way to channel all your SnowdenWald outrage into their upcoming campaigns. Brilliant strategy to capitalize on the Dem's self inflicted wounds.
matthews
(497 posts)The moran has to tie it to the ACA.
He can't get a freaking thing right to save his soul. And he's their policy 'wonk' (or something like that).
crim son
(27,464 posts)is he wrong?
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bucolic_frolic
(43,392 posts)is paranoia.
You should seek help for your delusions, IMHO.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)your mom should spank your butt.
sort`a like the "data hub" that my medicare has? or like the data hub the irs has?
there`s a lot of this bullshit being posted on facebook. today my friends were going about some doctor telling a woman on medicare that obamacare won`t pay for the woman`s mammogram. i had to point out to them a simple google search proved it was bullshit. in fact several entries down confirmed the source of this bullshit..heritage foundation.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)There are some big differences between a medical database and PRISM.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)That's the Libertarian angle.
They've now got folks on the left claiming that the government is spying on all of us and that we all now live in a totalitarian police state. That claim is being made all over DU as of late.
Ryan and the GOP can now argue that once that totalitarian government has a database of your medical records, it can data mine that DB and look for patterns just like it does with communications data.
And if the evil government's secret court is a rubber stamp, getting warrants to dig through those medical records will be very, very, easy.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)It couldn't be further from reality.
The NSA is a right wing organization infested at all levels by Bush/Reagan bots. When a Democratic president comes in, they don't just fire the entire executive, although I wish they would. This is what we get.
The FISA court is 10/11 Bush/Reagan appointees. 1 by Clinton and NONE by Obama. But for some reason 10% of 'loyal' Dems rush to defend it. They never did their homework to understand just what they are defending. It's not Obama.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)by Jimmy Carter. You know that, right?
And the manner in which the judges are selected hasn't changed ... you know that too, right?
And the rate of approvals has stayed about the same with a modest increase in requests over the 33 years since it was created.
You do realize that the NSA can access your tax records, right? Totally different database from the communications data. But if they determine they want to see your tax or bank records, they can.
And as you read around DU, you should notice that many here are claiming that the Obama administration is using the NSA to SPY on everyone.
If a totalitarian government has access to medical records, it will use them.
Perhaps you agree with me that our government is NOT totalitarian ... in fact its very far from it.
If so, you now get my point.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)None of that info is news to me, but I do have a problem that the court is 10/11 right wingers. Don't you?
...yawn. Always the same old thing...scare people.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)on you ... his argument is tough to refute.
Get people to hate and distrust the government, then argue that the government can't be trusted with any aspect of healthcare.
Pretty obvious strategy.
railsback
(1,881 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Tactic.
2016 will be the key.
railsback
(1,881 posts)Rare is the opportunity to pile on the opposition badmouthing their own party.
joshcryer
(62,279 posts)jmowreader
(50,569 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)24601
(3,963 posts)the same data for 80% of $X. Throw in an additional $Thousand and &'ll throw in a consent form so that they can get the identity attached to my number without having to get FISC approval. Wow, then they will know who called (or received calls from) those numbers called.
Bump ahead to the next issue. Forget NSA and key in on HHS and the IRS. What medical information on me is going to be released beyond me and my doctor? Is it going to be leaked to any of our insurance Companies who use it to determine cost of coverage? If it would be provided to anyone who does not have doctor-patient confidentiality with me, then we have a real problem.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)by your doctor.
That really has nothing to do with the ACA.
That's how insurance companies have decided how much to charge / cover for various treatments. It's how they decide reimbursement rates. And its how they were able to decide that you had some pre-existing condition. The insurance company has always had that information about you.
The good thing the ACA does in this regard is prevent the insurance companies from using that information against you to deny treatment for what the insurance companies would call pre-existing conditions.
Also ... your call meta data is not "yours". That meta data belongs to the phone carrier. They connect the ends of the call and track the duration so they can bill for the service. They use that data to run their business. If you write down the same information on a piece of paper, that piece of paper is yours. But the actual meta data about any call belongs to the phone carrier. Congress can and should pass some improved laws about how that data can be used (as they have with credit card data), but that's not likely with this congress.
24601
(3,963 posts)do not have my potassium level or the last CT Scan of my L4-L5 discs.
They also have a pretty comprehensive list of any prescription meds I fill via their plan. I could avoid that by going to the VA, but they require their own doctors to write the prescription. The military treatment center will fill an outside script, but not VA.
Yes, I know that the metadata of my calls are business records created for billing and that they do not belong to me. But I can still access them online and, for a reasonable fee, I'll save NSA the step of going through Verizon.
bluedeathray
(511 posts)If he would vote in favor of ceasing all government monitoring of US citizen communications?
Fucking moron.
Who falls for this bullshit?