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Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 03:08 PM Jul 2013

Widow of slain mine union leader speaks out against Alabama's Drummond Co. in Colombia

Source: The Montgomery Independent

Widow of slain mine union leader speaks out against Alabama's Drummond Co. in Colombia
Melissa Brown | mbrown@al.com By Melissa Brown | mbrown@al.com
on July 16, 2013 at 1:09 PM, updated July 16, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The widow of a Colombian mine workers union leader is speaking out against Garry Neil Drummond, Alabama billionaire and CEO of Drummond Co., in a Bloomberg article that outlines the challenges the company is facing in Colombia and its expanding operations in Alabama.

Bloomberg Markets magazine interviewed Nubia Soler, whose husband, Gustavo, was abducted and "found under a pile of banana leaves with two bullet holes in his head" in 2001. Gustavo Soler was union president at a coal mine in Colombia owned by Drummond Co.

Soler tells Bloomberg reporters that her husband had received threats for months before his death and told her to pack up and be ready to leave the area as soon as he arrived home from the union office in Valledupar, Colombia. Gustavo never made it home.

Bloomberg reports that Drummond met with Soler personally and promised to put her adolescent children through school but hasn't followed through.

"He never paid for a pencil,” she tells reporters Anthony Effinger and Matthew Bristow.

Read more: http://blog.al.com/tuscaloosa/2013/07/drummond.html

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Widow of slain mine union leader speaks out against Alabama's Drummond Co. in Colombia (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2013 OP
No reason why they should aid anyone, they had the aid, comfort, and backing of the elites. matthews Jul 2013 #1
So Drummond is most likely the party paying Uribe's legal expenses, as well. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #4
You're welcome. matthews Jul 2013 #5
Oh quit with the bullshit telclaven Jul 2013 #8
Then you're an idiot or a liar. nt matthews Jul 2013 #11
I'll choose door number three telclaven Jul 2013 #14
Nope, this is either/or. matthews Jul 2013 #17
You're not making any sense, you know. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #12
Job's a job telclaven Jul 2013 #15
I've never heard that conscientious objecters to evil themselves throw urine. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #16
KUDOS! And they haven't changed. Nothing's changed. matthews Jul 2013 #18
Here's an article on SOA torture, etc., and it doesn't involve "sucking the SOAW tit." Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #13
I guess it's the old Larry, Darryl & Darryl business plan in action matthews Jul 2013 #19
Can't we get a conspiracy charge or something? telclaven Jul 2013 #9
Reminds of the movie Matewan ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #2
I saw it, too. It was extraordinary. You feel stunned and sickened learning about it, Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #3
It's always amazed me at what we were never taught in school matthews Jul 2013 #6
USA's government is well known for "adjusting" history. ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #7
Alabama Coal Billionaire Battles Murder Suits as Prices Ebb Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #10
 

matthews

(497 posts)
1. No reason why they should aid anyone, they had the aid, comfort, and backing of the elites.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jul 2013



Nov 19, 2012
Uribe admits receiving ‘help’ from Drummond

Colombia’s former President Alvaro Uribe admitted Sunday to receiving “help” from U.S. coal company Drummond while in office.

http://colombiareports.com/uribe-receiving-help-from-drummond/

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
4. So Drummond is most likely the party paying Uribe's legal expenses, as well.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jul 2013

Oh, there's certainly nothing crooked about that, is there? Good grief.

The cruelest thing I've heard they did is to have their hit men terrorize 3 union leaders until the men approached the company and begged for permission to stay overnight during the week at the company, sleeping on the floor, or wherever, as they were so terrified the paramilitaries working for Drummond would grab them getting onto or off the busses to and from the company and murder them.

The paras got onto their bus one night, shot two in front of the other workers on the bus, and took the third one with them, tortured the man, and his body was found later lying outdoors somewhere.

Hideous, vicious actions were implemented to rid Drummond of workers who tried so hard for changes to bring some safety measures, better working conditions, etc.

These Alabama-based Drummond Coal Company men, working with Uribe, have treated the poor workers they exploit like trash, like their personal possessions. Not even a shadow of decency among them.

(Their earlier history of behavior toward poor U.S. American workers had its own hideous impact upon a lot of people permanently injured, killed by their lack of respect for those who do their work for them.)

Thanks for the link.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
5. You're welcome.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:47 AM
Jul 2013

We have a lot to answer for in regard to what we did to the people of Central and South America.

The School of the Americas, now named Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC), was and is a vicious terrorist organization.

There is an organization fighting to close that hateful, bloody institution. It's called SOA Watch. They try so hard, they get nowhere. Because this is America and its not terrorism if we're doing it.

http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/what-is-the-soawhinsec

And all the killing, all the murders were done in the name of fighting 'left wing' organizations.

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
8. Oh quit with the bullshit
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jul 2013

I work here. Can't find anything in the text books or the training criteria on terrorism or torture.

Quit sucking the SOAW tit.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
17. Nope, this is either/or.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jul 2013

I belong to School of Americas Watch. I've heard the testimony. I know the history.

And so do the women who tell about what happened to their lives and their families because of them.

Sorry, no cigar for you.

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
12. You're not making any sense, you know.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:39 AM
Jul 2013

"I work here." You work at a place which hires people who can write hateful, right-wing posts at progressive websites? Or is it you work at a place which hires people to write confused, cranky, venomous and pointless crap?

You can't find anything in the text books or the training criteria on terrorism or torture? What "text books" or "training criteria" have you been checking?

The "SOAW tit"? Really? Could you explain what that would be?

Please take some time to consider and plan what it is you're trying to communicate to the lucky DU'er you're addressing. Otherwise, it's just a lot of noise, only typed out.

As for finding material on terrorism or torture by the notorious killers, death squad leaders, etc. who've been schooled at Ft. Benning, or in Panama, before that, you have only to start doing your homework on the internet[font size=5]S.[/font]

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
15. Job's a job
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 08:29 AM
Jul 2013

I work here doing statistical analysis. Didn't want the job, but couldn't find anything else. Nothing makes being a tool of the military-industrial complex as appealing as a pregnant wife and a mortgage payment.

The SOAW protests at the gate piss me off, literally. Tossing bottles of piss at cars? Really? Yeah, that helps 'raise awareness'. Fortunately they only occur annually, and to give credit, the main organizers do try to identify troublemakers to law enforcement. For what it's worth, you can come down and take a tour of the facitility any time. Some folks that do come away with a very different opinion.

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
16. I've never heard that conscientious objecters to evil themselves throw urine.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jul 2013

That just doesn't add up, actually.

What IS downright rude and dirty is unbearable suffering and brutality, sadistic hatred and pleasure in the pain and grief of helpless people. All this done for political reasons, those reasons themselves illegitimate, having no justification in ANY world in ANY era.

There will NEVER be even a shadow of forgiveness ahead for anyone who has taken such comfort from being on the side of the unclean sociopaths who bring such shrieking horror to the human beings of this world. Saying they had no choice because they couldn't find other work will not save them when they stand face to face with their consciences, after they can no longer hide.

I assume it may have been well before your time, but stories like that yarn also prevailed in the former slave states during the Civil Rights era, when full grown adults gossiped among each other, spreading stupid, laughable rumors like the cops have revealed that after civil rights marches, demonstrations, the police found the city had to send workers along the streets to sweep up used condoms left behind the marchers, as they were inclined to throw themselves down on the ground and rut like animals. Yes, they said that. They never seemed to take the time to wonder if that might be a whopper, after all, or wonder how many condoms are used by animals, and how animals obtain them, not having little billfolds to carry money to buy condoms.

Yes, according to "church going, Christian, god-fearing" white people, full grown fathers, grandmothers, etc. all lived on, believing these people who came from all points of the compass to support their fellow human beings in friendship and belief, to share the risks of violence from the police force, all at any moment might be expected to pitch over and start flailing away upon the likewise inclined fellow marcher, then get right back up and continue the march.

We're all so accustomed to this tactic of trying to revile the protesters, to discredit them, to move others to imagine they don't deserve respect. It's been done to DEATH by now. It doesn't work around sober people, or sane people who can see through it.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
18. KUDOS! And they haven't changed. Nothing's changed.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jul 2013

Ask Honduras Hils. We're still up to our old tricks of trying to destabilize governments that don't see things the way we do. We back the coups of duly elected leaders. The biggest threat to American hegemony are people trying to break away from American dominance and gain control of their own lives, land, and governments. It's not like we're there meddling to promote democracy. Bottom line is we are always there to promote corporate American interests.

As Eric 'Chiquita Banana' about that.

Or go talk to the people of Ecuador. Or Guatamala. Or El Salvador. Or Chile...

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
13. Here's an article on SOA torture, etc., and it doesn't involve "sucking the SOAW tit."
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:07 AM
Jul 2013
The United States Has Been Enabling Torture for Decades
Thursday, 15 March 2012 04:27 By Mark Karlin, Truthout | Interview

~snip~
The United States Exports Torture

Mark Karlin: The infamous School of the Americas (SOA) (now euphemistically renamed the "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation&quot has long been accused of teaching human rights violations, including torture. The Defense Department vigorously denies this accusation.

In Chapter 2, Bill Quigley - who writes for Truthout, as well as yourself - outs the truth. Hasn't the School of the Americas, and its predecessor, which was located in the Panama Canal Zone, been outsourcing torture and human rights violations for decades?

Marjorie Cohn: During the 1970s and 1980s, dictators and military leaders in Chile, Bolivia, Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Paraguay used skills they learned at the US Army's School of the Americas to torture and execute dissidents. SOA graduates assassinated bishops, priests, labor leaders, women, children and community workers, and massacred entire communities. Although the school was cosmetically renamed in 2001 to the "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation" (WHINSEC) at Ft. Benning, Georgia, the US government continues to resist accountability for those complicit in the egregious human rights violations perpetrated by the school's students. There is a growing protest movement against the SOA/WHINSEC. Since the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero in El Salvador in 1980, protesters have increasingly engaged in lobbying and civil disobedience, including regular teach-ins, demonstrations and prayer vigils. Up to 20,000 demonstrators descend on Ft. Benning each year. They want the US government to admit what it has done at the school, allow an independent investigation and accept responsibility for the consequences. They are demanding that the torture school be closed.

MK: The torture and murders that occurred during the "dirty wars" in South America and the military dictatorship/right-wing militias' suppression of opposition in Central America was something out of the Spanish Inquisition. The US was on the side of the military governments, and yet, they were committing torture and massacres even against US citizens, including nuns. Terry Lynn Karl describes this in Chapter 2, with El Salvador as a case study. How come it took the war on terror to ignite a national discussion on torture and US foreign policy?

More:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/7273:the-united-states-has-been-enabling-torture-for-decades

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June 25, 2007

42 House Democrats Back U.S. Terror Academy

Democrats and the School of the Americas

by DAN BACHER

Two San Joaquin Valley Representatives, Dennis Cardoza of Merced and Jim Costa of Fresno, were among 42 Democrats that voted to keep the world’s foremost torture school, the School of the Americas, open during a House vote on June 21. The vote was 203 yes, 214 no, 1 voting "present" and 19 not voting.

Cardova, Costa and 40 other Democrats voted no on the McGovern/Lewis Amendment that would have finally cut off funding to the School of Americas (SOA), now known as Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC). Only 6 more votes were needed to pass it–but these Democrats shamefully chose to join Republican Representatives in voting for the school, whose graduates have been responsible for genocide, assassinations, torture and other human rights violations throughout Latin America for decades.

California representatives Loretta Sanchez and Grace Napolitano, along with Charles Rangel of New York, are listed among the Democrats who chose not to vote. (House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not found on any list, not even present.)

SOA Watch, a human rights advocacy group founded in 1990 by Maryknoll Priest Father Roy Bourgeois to close the "School of Death," was disappointed by the vote. However, SOA Watch vowed to continue its efforts in Congress until the school, located in Fort Benning, Georgia, is shut down.

More:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/06/25/democrats-and-the-school-of-the-americas/

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Training Torturers: The School of the Americas

Marjorie Cohn

In the most developed countries (France, the United States), some terrible schools have trained soldiers for years to the subtleties of the cruellest torture techniques. Marjorie Cohn is studying the School of the Americas history from where have come out some terrible war criminals. To limit the spread of Communism in the 60s and the 70s, the United States has supported the biggest Latin American dictatorships by training their leaders to counteract the enemies of the regime. Almost 60 000 soldiers, officers and civilians had become torturers experts when they went out of the School of Americas. Today, the school activities remain unclear. No investigation has been opened to highlight the managers responsibilities.

Importing torture techniques it had used in the Phoenix program in Vietnam - including waterboarding, electric shock, assassination, kidnapping, and summary execution – the United States trained Latin American strongmen how to maintain control. Manuals that explained how to use torture to neutralize enemies were brought to the School from the U.S. Army intelligence training center at Fort Huachuca, Arizona.


“The U.S. Army School of the Americas ... is a school that has run more dictators than any other school in the history of the world.” - Representative Joseph Kennedy [1]

A few years ago, during a visit to Buenos Aires, I visited the Plaza de Mayo. Old women carrying large photographs of their dead children marched around the square as they have done every Thursday since April 1977. One woman told me how her 18-year-old daughter, clad in a nightgown, was abducted in the middle of the night. She had criticized government policies at the university. Her body was found near a creek. Other women related stories of how their children were “disappeared” and tortured. These mothers continue to demand that the military tell them what happened to their loved ones. During the time they were kidnapped, the United States supported the Argentine dictatorship in its “dirty war.” In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Leopoldo Galtieri led the military junta in Argentina, when some 30,000 people were disappeared and killed. Galtieri was a graduate of the School of the Americas.

A School for Counterinsurgency

The School was established in 1946 in the Panama Canal Zone; it was called the Latin American Training Center-Ground Division. In 1963, it became the U.S. Army School of the Americas. It suspended operations in September 1984 pursuant to the 1977 Panama Canal Treaty. The School of the Americas (SOA) reopened three months later at Fort Benning, Georgia, where a U.S. military base is located. Due to negative publicity about the School, SOA was cosmetically renamed Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC) in 2001.

Since it opened, more than 59,000 military, police, and civilians from 23 Latin American and Caribbean countries have been trained at the School. Many went on to disappear, torture, and murder their people. “In fact,” according to a 1995 Los Angeles Times editorial, “it is hard to think of a coup or human rights outrage that has occurred in (Latin America) in the past 40 years in which alumni of the School of the Americas were not involved” [2].

More:
http://unmondetortionnaire.com/Training-Torturers-The-School-of#lire


TORTURE 101

in the US School of the Americas (SOA)

by Lisa Haugaard

The Pentagon revealed what activists opposed to the school have been alleging for years-that foreign military officers were taught to torture and murder to achieve their political objectives," says Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy Il (D-MA), who has waged a three-year campaign to close the U.S. Army School of the Americas (SOA). Hoping to elude media attention, the Pentagon waited until late on a Friday to release training manuals used at the school and distributed throughout Latin America that instructed officers on the use of torture, murder and blackmail in the fight against left-wing opponents.

The most egregious passages in the declassified manuals advocated such tactics as executions of guerrillas, extortion, physical abuse and paying bounties for enemy dead. One of the manuals offers the following techniques to recruit a guerrilla as an intelligence source: blackmail, false arrest, Imprlsonment of the potential recruit's parents and execution of all other members of his guerrilla cell. Another manual contains detailed instructions for making Molotov cocktails.

The Pentagon released the manuals after a sustained public pressure campaign focused on the role of the CIA in Guatemala, which was the subject of a June report by the President's Intelligence Oversight Board. Since the board's report mentioned the manuals, the Pentagon received requests to declassify them in their entirety.

More:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/SOA/torture101_SOA.html

[center]~ ~ ~[/center]
The Crucifixion of EL SALVADOR

Noam Chomsky

~snip~
In December 1981, the Battalion took part in an operation in which over a thousand civilians were killed in an orgy of murder, rape and burning. Later it was involved in the bombing of villages and murder of hundreds of civilians by shooting, drowning and other methods. The vast majority of victims were women, children and the elderly. The Atlacatl Battalion was being trained by US Special Forces shortly before murdering the Jesuits. This has been a pattern throughout the Battalion's existence-some of its worst massacres have occurred when it was fresh from US training.

In the "fledgling democracy" that was El Salvador, teenagers as young as 13 were scooped up in sweeps of slums and refugee camps and forced to become soldiers. They were indoctrinated with rituals adopted from the Nazi SS, including brutalization and rape, to prepare them for killings that often have sexual and satanic overtones. The nature of Salvadoran army training was described by a deserter who received political asylum in Texas in 1990, despite the State Department's request that he be sent back to El Salvador. (His name was withheld by the court to protect him from Salvadoran death squads.)

According to this deserter, draftees were made to kill dogs and vultures by biting their throats and twisting off their heads, and had to watch as soldiers tortured and killed suspected dissidents-tearing out their fingernails, cutting off their heads, chopping their bodies to pieces and playing with the dismembered arms for fun.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/ChomOdon_ElSalvador.html

[center]~ ~ ~[/center]

Also, from the same source, an incident which has stuck in my memories for years and years:
~snip~
The results of Salvadoran military training are graphically described in the Jesuit journal America by Daniel Santiago, a Catholic priest working in El Salvador. He tells of a peasant woman who returned home one day to find her three children, her mother and her sister sitting around a table, each with its own decapitated head placed carefully on the table in front of the body, the hands arranged on top "as if each body was stroking its own head."

The assassins, from the Salvadoran National Guard, had found it hard to keep the head of an 18-month-old baby in place, so they nailed the hands onto it. A large plastic bowl filled with blood was tastefully displayed in the center of the table.

According to Rev. Santiago, macabre scenes of this kind aren't uncommon. People are not just killed by death squads in El Salvador-they are decapitated and then their heads are placed on pikes and used to dot the landscape. Men are not just disemboweled by the Salvadoran Treasury Police; their severed genitalia are stuffed into their mouths. Salvadoran women are not just raped by the National Guard; their wombs are cut from their bodies and used to cover their faces. It is not enough to kill children; they are dragged over barbed wire until the flesh falls from their bones, while parents are forced to watch.

Rev. Santiago goes on to point out that violence of this sort greatly increased when the Church began forming peasant associations and self help groups in an attempt to organize the poor.

By and large, our approach in El Salvador has been successful. The popular organizations have been decimated, just as Archbishop Romero predicted. Tens of thousands have been slaughtered and more than a million have become refugees. This is one of the most sordid episodes in US history-and it's got a lot of competition.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/ChomOdon_ElSalvador.html
 

matthews

(497 posts)
19. I guess it's the old Larry, Darryl & Darryl business plan in action
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 06:17 PM
Jul 2013

Anything for a buck.

Some people can live that way. But I don't know how.

And what statistics could one be analyzing?

The mind boggles.

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
9. Can't we get a conspiracy charge or something?
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jul 2013

Seems like a good prosecutor wanting to make his bones could do something. Does conspiracy to commit murder have to stop because of borders?

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
2. Reminds of the movie Matewan
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jul 2013

.
.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matewan



"It was 1920 in the southwest West Virginia coal fields, and, as the narrator recalls, "things were tough." In response to efforts by miners to organize into a labor union, the Stone Mountain Coal Company announces it will cut the pay miners receive, and will be importing replacement workers into town to replace those who join the union."

much more at link above.

Although I liked the movie, it was disturbing . . .

It appears that big money still abuses the workers -

will it ever change?

I sure hope so.

CC

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
3. I saw it, too. It was extraordinary. You feel stunned and sickened learning about it,
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 11:10 PM
Jul 2013

then learning after research that it really DID happen, and it was simply omitted from conventional history classes, and clearly it represents the tip of the iceberg regarding what has actually gone before, which we nearly have to find out by accident to know about at all.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
6. It's always amazed me at what we were never taught in school
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:59 AM
Jul 2013

It's when you start to realize that something just doesn't smell right that some of us go off on our own and learn our history.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
7. USA's government is well known for "adjusting" history.
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 06:30 AM
Jul 2013

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.

I expect most USA citizens do not realize this.

But much of the World does.

Including us Canucks.

CC

Judi Lynn

(160,601 posts)
10. Alabama Coal Billionaire Battles Murder Suits as Prices Ebb
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jul 2013

Alabama Coal Billionaire Battles Murder Suits as Prices Ebb
By Anthony Effinger & Matthew Bristow - Jul 15, 2013 11:01 PM CT



Gustavo Soler knew he was in trouble. It was 2001, and Soler was union president at a coal mine in Colombia owned by Drummond Co., which is controlled by the wealthiest family in Alabama.

Soler’s predecessor, Valmore Locarno, and Locarno’s deputy, Victor Orcasita, had been killed seven months earlier, and now Soler was getting threats, says his widow, Nubia, in an interview in Bogota. He told his family to pack up. They would leave the area as soon as he got home from the union office in Valledupar, a city in the country’s coal belt. He never made it.

Armed men stopped his bus, asked for him by name and abducted him. He was found under a pile of banana leaves with two bullet holes in his head, Bloomberg Markets magazine will report in its August issue.

After the killing, Nubia says, Garry Neil Drummond, chief executive officer of Drummond Co., sent a taxi to bring her to the Drummond offices near the coastal town of Santa Marta, where, in a meeting, he promised to put her children, Sergio and Karina, then 14 and 9, through school.

Nubia describes a tender moment for a tough man. Drummond, now 75, started working in his family’s coal mines around Jasper, Alabama, at 15. As an executive in 1969, he negotiated an export deal with a Japanese trading company and fulfilled the commitment by strip mining Alabama’s hills with colossal shovels and trucks. When those reserves dwindled, Drummond Co. opened its first mine in Colombia in 1995. It came under attack from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), a group that had been at war with the government since the 1960s.

More:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-16/alabama-billionaire-battles-murder-suits-as-prices-ebb.html

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