Brazil expresses concern at report of NSA spying

[Coyotl]

Source: 3 hours ago by Jenny Barchfield

Brazil's foreign minister said Sunday his government is worried by a report that the United States has collected data on millions of telephone and email conversations in his country and promised an effort for international protection of Internet privacy.

The O Globo newspaper reported over the weekend that information released by NSA leaker Edward Snowden shows that the number of telephone and email messages logged by the U.S. National Security Agency in January alone was not far behind the 2.3 million reportedly collected in the United States.

Foreign Minister Antonio Patriota expressed "deep concern at the report that electronic and telephone communications of Brazilian citizens are being the object of espionage by organs of American intelligence.

"The Brazilian government has asked for clarifications" through the U.S. Embassy in Brazil and Brazil's embassy in Washington, he said.

Read more: http://phys.org/news/2013-07-brazil-nsa-spying.html

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No doubt, this will have major repercussions in some corporate relations as well as the diplomatic ones.

Meanwhile, I'd like to see the evidence!

[snappyturtle]

1. You'd like to see the evidence. Wouldn't we all. If Snowden were to produce it

he'd be labeled a traitor in the U.S. and a hero in Brazil....which is it?

WHY is the NSA collecting all this global data pre-emptively? If the collection is so valuable, I want to see what benefit it has served, i.e., what attacks have been aborted. Prove it.

[dballance]

2. Do You Need More Evidence Than the Statements From Our Own Government?

They've routinely said that the NSA operations are on foreign citizens and not US citizens. Although some level of US metadata (up to 49%) in an operation may be US.

So if they're saying in hearings and public that they try to keep it to 51% foreign then they must be intercepting some foreign peoples' data. A LOT of foreign peoples' data. That kind of is an admission that they're hoovering foreign data.

[Coyotl]

3. I would not want you on my jury

if I had to rely on the concept of legal proof. Your inferences are just that, inference.

[dballance]

4. They may be inferences but they're quite reasonable.

People use inferences all the time. It's not like I'm introducing something new to the conversation.

I think it's rather reasonable to infer that if our government admits to a program or programs where they monitor communications of all types (cell, phone, e-mail, social-media, etc.) and they say they're not intercepting US citizens' data in those programs that they must be monitoring somebody to need all those huge supercomputers and data storage. That really only leaves foreign nationals.

BTW, I think it would be very reasonable for jurors to make inferences from witness statements in a trial. It's simple logic like my statement above. If one thing is true then the other must follow. Using inferences is not fallacious reasoning at all. In fact, I think it would be quite impossible for jurors not to use some inferences whether consciously or not. I think that would be completely against human nature.

[Coyotl]

5. Documentos comprovam que os EUA espionou telefonemas e e-mails de brasileiros

Two million documents!!

http://globotv.globo.com/rede-globo/fantastico/v/documentos-comprovam-que-os-eua-espionou-telefonemas-e-e-mails-de-brasileiros/2678091/