Snowden, in new statement, accuses Obama of using ‘old, bad tools of political aggression’
Source: Washington Post
Edward Snowden, in his first public message since arriving at Moscows Sheremetyevo International Airport eight days ago, has issued a statement accusing President Obama of deploying the old, bad tools of political aggression and using citizenship as a weapon in order to silence him. It describes the Obama administration as afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be.
The message also accuses Vice President Biden of pressuring foreign leaders to deny his extradition requests.
Here is Snowdens statement in full, as it appears on the Wikileaks Web site:
On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic wheeling and dealing over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.
This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.
For decades the United States of America have been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person.
Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.
In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be.
I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/01/snowden-in-new-statement-accuses-obama-of-using-old-bad-tools-of-political-aggression/
Snowden, whether you believe he is a traitor or a saint, "made off" with sensitive documents he should have brought to the attention of U.S. authorities. His modus operandi, to reveal the data in these documents in countries that continue to live under authoritarian rule, borders on ridiculous. He has placed himself in this situation.
still_one
(92,219 posts)BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)When your government becomes criminal and corrupted to the core then it is illegitimate and not representing the people so your argument is invalid and sophomoric.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Galraedia
(5,026 posts)and reveal documents concerning America's foreign surveillance. That's not whistle-blowing, it's espionage. Your argument is therefore invalid.
BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)Every thing Hitler did was legal too...he is exposing crimes against the US people just like Russ Tice did in 2005...blackmail, leverage...that is why ALL our calls are being recorded...dont be so gullible. I'd like to see you give up your existance to do what's right and then be scapegoated by a bunch of people blogging on their computers.
BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)And btw...every little thing is classified now including horrible trade agreements like TPP which is discussed on www.bradblog.com today.....these things are classified to cover up criminality perpetrated on the American People...not the other way around. National Security My Ass.
Galraedia
(5,026 posts)I was talking about FOREIGN surveillance. But since you want to talk about domestic surveillance, what proof do you have that Snowden was able to "wiretap anyone from a federal judge to the president" as he claims?
BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)I mentioned domestic because you tried to parse words and limit it to foreign...are you literate? Have you read what ALL the NSA whistleblowers have said??? Russ Tice who blew the lid off Bush's warrantless wiretapping in 2005 said 2 weeks ago in an interview he had the paperwork in his hand in 200 to wiretap up and coming wanna be senator, Barack Obama as well as Justices on the Supreme Court....he unequivocally stated that the focus of NSA is to tap domestic calls of federal judges, Congressional members on all the intelligence committees, corporate lawyers...he mentioned Diane Feinstien, Gen Petreus, John McCain...on and on...he was involved with naval intelligence and NSA for decades and had a clean record...Im sure you would try to smear him to fit your skewed, delictae belief system. It has been stated by many in the intelligence committee for years that every single email, phone call, text etc is recorded and permanently stored for further review when deemed necessary. Tice said the purpose, which was obvious to all, was to gain leverage on politicians, journalists, lawyers and judges to blackmail them to do what the military industrial complex wanted...which was usually more war profiteering. I just assumed you knew this given how literate you claim to be. Tice was even on MSNBC last week but got yanked when their lawyers stepped in. Listen to his interview on boilingfrogs.com or summaries in Time magazine and Business Insider...is that mainstream enough for you?
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)...on this planet who ARE NOT "AMERICANS".
American foreign policy pretty much revolves around securing control of resources which should not be yours to take, and we are getting just a little sick of the come and take it (by fair means OR FOUL) policy your nation practices.
Anyone who would stand with the Koch Brothers as an "AMERICAN" rather than see what's being done to the rest of us in their name exposed, are a fucking huge part of the problem.
The 6.5 odd billion off us who are not "Americans", DO NOT GIVE A FUCK for your national embarrassment. And the 350 million odd of you who are not Multi-billionaire movers and shakers shouldn't either.
The problem is not Edward Snowden revealing national secrets.
The problem is a handful of special interests who believe their venal personal interests are matters of national security, and treat with the larger world accordingly.
If REAL AND ACTUAL MATTERS of national interest are compromised, that's just too fucking bad. Your alphabet soup got in bed with the Logos, you deal with the fucking fleas.
Forgot10Hiro
(43 posts)Kings and 3rd world dictators take such actions to insure the security of their power base. Democracies should no work this way.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)askeptic
(478 posts)So I'll wait until THAT happens rather than rely on those weasle words
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)And you (nor I) have any idea what the NSA is doing.
BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)Clapper perjured himself in the most obvious way humanly possible to Congress. Have him arrested. Or does NSA step in and warn prosecutors their personal lives will be outed if they do. So sick of this crap...you wanna talk about breaking the law??? These government officials took oaths to uphold the constitution(you do know that right?) so technically they are the traitors for breaking their oaths to the United States people. But I guess it's easier to pick on Mr Snowden who has voluntarily ruined his life so people like us cold know what crimes are being perpetrated against us.
mallard
(569 posts)Private contractors say what staffers in federal offices also believe ... that it's the darn constitution that's no good. Their loyalty is to a chain of command, period. If they get Snowden in handcuffs, they'll make a mess of him for making them look bad by revealing the truth and to make an example of him to any others who might be thinking of ... trying to expose any form of official corruption.
Article:
"The message also accuses Vice President Biden of pressuring foreign leaders to deny his extradition requests."
Um, does anyone else have a problem with the WP printing this statement?
I thought Biden was pressuring foreign governments to follow, not deny US (not 'his') extradition requests. Or maybe they mean Snowden's own don't-extradict-me requests, or else his asylum requests. Not very well written, in any case.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Forgot10Hiro
(43 posts)Especially not blanket surveillance without due cause. Report crimes that go against the Constitution is not illegal. Failing to report crimes to the criminals that are committing them is not illegal.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They raided the homes of anti-war protestors, seized computers and files without ever producing any proof of a crime. Snowden is spot on.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They were issued subpoenas twice to appear before a grand jury but told the feds to go pound sand and ignored them. It took over a year for the Antiwar Committee to get their computers and mailing lists back. These pricks even took kids drawings off the fridge. It was harassment plain and simple.
A complete timeline can be found here
http://www.stopfbi.net/about/timeline
Even though 62 state legislators requested answers from Obama, Klobuchar and Franken, not one of them is will to give answers. The only legislator that we can count to speak out against this abuse of federal power is Keith Ellison.
Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)Did he think the gov't wouldn't use him as an example?
And, no, I don't think the admin is afraid of me, but thanks for trying to pull me in to your jackassery, Snowden.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)Libertarians! Jeesh!
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)...means.
Essentially do as you damned well please, take whatever you wish unless whoever you're doing it to or taking it from has the power to stop you.
Guess what, WRT the rest of the world, the USA is, no if buts or maybes, a LIBERTARIAN STATE.
So go look in a mirror the next time you roll your eyes because some people think the USA (and her agencies) should actually treat rules and treaties as (at the very least) guidelines, and not impediments to maximal profit/gain.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)But thanks for playing!
Psephos
(8,032 posts)Epic fail.
Go to your room.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)...to that necessary to take control of target resources.
It demonstrates a near complete lack of regard for law WRT to its own actions. It will use it as bludgeon to force others into compliance, but seems perfectly happy to discard it altogether if that fails.
Authoritarian/patrician implies a certain degree of "For your/their own good." That is not the USA's behavior on the world stage. There it's pretty much straight up, X has what it want and does not have the power to stop it being taken.
Internally the US may well be becoming more and more authoritarian, externally, it's a libertarian bully that takes what it wants.
Forgot10Hiro
(43 posts)Claiming the right to use weaponized drones on American citizens? Bullying sovereign nations to demand a whistle blower be brought back for detention in a secret prison and tried in a secret court?
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts).. so now he lying when he says 'the United States is illegally persecuting him'
Snowden is a thief, a criminal, and a liar.
I hope he is arrested soon.
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)...is PURE PARTISANSHIP.
So long as the right letters are appended to the act, it seems anything goes and any criticism must be met with pathological fervour.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Shut the fuck up, TRAITOR.
You and your fucking WEASEL ass, the "hero" American...is nothing but scum.
Enjoy your new life as a Russian or Chinese or...whatever you end up because you are most certainly NOT an American.
savalez
(3,517 posts)Ecuador danced around the idea, spun him around and then tangoed right out the door without him.
I think every country is moving toward telling him to, as my old neighbor would say, "Fuck the fuck off!"
Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)Enjoy Russia.
BTW Russia will do what it wants, regardless of what the US says. This is the Big Bear after all.
Wolf
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)That does not dismiss the manner in which Snowden has acted or his behavior. One must ask whether Snowden cares about this flaws in this program or he just hates Obama and wants to bring him down.
He has chosen asylum in Russia. Nasty little country.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)He's accusing Obama of using "extralegal penalty of exile". What? He's not exiled. He can come back and face the music--the music he composed.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)he can turn himself into a US embassy and come back anytime he wants to face the music he composed.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)and perfectly appropriate procedure:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/15mcrm.htm#9-15.640
If you don't want to click, here's what it says:
9-15.640
Revocation of United States Passports
The Department of State may revoke the passport of a person who is the subject of an outstanding Federal warrant. Revocation of the passport can result in loss of the fugitive's lawful residence status, which may lead to his or her deportation. If the fugitive is wanted on State charges only, it will be necessary to obtain a warrant on a UFAP complaint because the Department of State is only authorized to revoke the passports of persons named in Federal warrants.
So, is Mr. Snowden wanted on a federal warrant? Answer: yes. Therefore, revocation of his passport is completely legal, and can be performed through normal State Department channels. I'm shocked that the crack "WikiLeaks Attorneys" supposedly flanking Mr. Snowden haven't advised him of this common procedure.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and thus was not legal and therefore Hong Kong allowed Snowden to maintain legal residence there (Snowden chose not to remain and flew to Russia). Also Snowden did not receive due process regarding revocation of his passport:
"Due Process. When a passport has been denied or
revoked, the person affected receives notice in
writing, and may go through a review process. The
adversely affected person has 60 days to require the
Department of State or the appropriate Foreign
Service post to establish the basis for its action
in a proceeding before a hearing officer. At the
private hearing, the adversely affected person may
appear and testify, present witnesses and other
evidence, and make arguments. If the person wishes,
he or she may be represented or assisted by an
attorney. The adversely affected person is entitled
to be informed of all evidence before the hearing
officer and of the source of such evidence, and may
confront and cross-examine adverse witnesses. In
the event of an adverse decision, the adversely
affected person has 60 days to appeal to the Board
of Appellate Review of the Department of State. In
either the original complaint and the subsequent
appeal, if the adversely affected person fails to
take advantage of the 60 day window, the matter is
closed and not subject to further administrative
review."
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/law/Covenant94/Specific_Articles/12.html
Don't be shocked over the Wikileak attorneys' knowledge base. I'm sure they are very aware of this fact:
"Denial or revocation of a passport does not prevent the use of outstanding valid passports...The physical revocation of a passport is often difficult, and an apparently valid passport can be used for travel until officially taken by an arresting officer or by a court."
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/info/info_870.html
All that said, Snowden is incorrect in believing he is "stateless" or has lost his citizenship--a passport only confers entry/exit privileges and does not result in loss of citizenship.
Am turning in for the night, mystery. Will check back tomorrow.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Whatever the laughable response of the Hong Kong authorities to the extradition request (not the warrant), minor errors in a federal warrant are not sufficient to invalidate it; the invalidation of a warrant can only be due to substantial error.
As for due process, Snowden is free to request and show up for a hearing at a US embassy to challenge his passport revocation. US Marshals will be happy to meet him there. The right to challenge the revocation doesn't mean that the revocation is itself on hold. Moreover, in cases where the revocation is of a fugitive's passport, the State Department is not actually required to notify the fugitive in writing immediately (for rather obvious reasons, if one is not disingenuously emulating a prevaricating Hong Kong bureaucrat), it being sufficient according to procedure to delay notification of the fugitive and simply notify the authorities of the host country until one knows that the fugitive is in custody. Oh ho! So he can't challenge the revocation until he has it in writing, and he need not have it in writing until he is in custody!?? CORRECT. The goal with fugitives is to get them into custody. That's kind of how it works. Check the Foreign Affairs Manual on that.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)That seems to be a snafu at this time for Snowden.
Even if say Bolivia offers him asylum he may not be able to take it legally, or something
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)and being granted asylum was simple passport revocation, there would be no such thing as asylum.
Asylum is very obviously not contingent on the largesse of the offending state. If any state wanted to grant Mr. Snowden asylum, his revoked passport would not prevent his movement.
The rather obvious case is that nobody particularly wants to grant him asylum, or that his asylum applications are ludicrous in the extreme.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and his demands as to what will allow someone to leave.
That said, I think it would only not work if Putin was blocking it.
There are many countries at least saying they'll take him. I suppose one will actually do it and this is being decided. I can't see Evo Morales of Bolivia backpeddling like Correa on his offer.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and Cuban political dissidents (and no doubt spies, also) refuge in the U.S. without their having passports from their country of citizenship.
That's why this poutrage by DUers over Snowden is laughable. It is a game played the world over and the U.S. admin is a willing and knowing player. It goes on all the time, just like the U.S. spying on them and it's own allies and saying that it's old hat and should be expected.
savalez
(3,517 posts)I laughed. Maybe you will too.
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wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Whom do you represent today?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Who pulls your strings?
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Of course Ben is dead, and his principles are on life support.
How's the weather in VA?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)How's the food in Ivory Towerstan?
Psephos
(8,032 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)But I'm always in full regalia!
You're welcome, BTW.
NoodleyAppendage
(4,619 posts)Snowden has performed a history changing service to the citizenry...sadly, however, I suspect the warning will be lost on many whose tendency towards authoritarianism runs strong.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Galraedia
(5,026 posts)Which is why his ass went bouncing from China to Russia.
NoodleyAppendage
(4,619 posts)J
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)How everything changed and how I fear even talking on my phone anymore. I'm even afraid to post on the Internet. I know they are watching me at the library. I am really important to them. Even more important than the Ken Lays of the world and the other robber barrons who were stopped in their tracks because of the intense surveillance of their every move. Gosh, I am afraid of my government.
Thank god I don't have to be worried about drinking polluted water, being shot by racist neighborhood watch guys, or being unarmed and shot to death by local police, or having to jump through new hoops to be able to vote in coming elections, or how to meet the new rent increase, or how to get a job with a living wage...we must protect those media patriots who were so good at convincing us that Saddam had WMD and that it was imperative to attack his nation...yeah, that same media that won't follow the leads on how corporate America is screwing the working poor and middle class. But if they did that would they be whistleblowing and lose their jobs and maybe have to flee to Russia? Just asking..
askeptic
(478 posts)...and the things it doesn't want to see become invisible.
appacom
(296 posts)wtmusic
(39,166 posts)You're not alone.
Bahhhh.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)Cha
(297,314 posts)better than a sneak and a snitch to China and Russia.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's the captain of his ship (or his shit, as the case may be); the master of his fate.
He could have gone to his little friend Rand "Got a Ferret on my Head" Paul, and complained to a fellow Libertarian - teahadist, but instead he went for the grand gesture...he thought he'd be greeted as a liberator!
He thought wrong.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)doesn't have anything to lose now.
mallard
(569 posts)... and people will believe it, making the point about him and not the corruption doesn't imply concern for the general conditions. He's sacrificed plenty.