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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:04 PM Jun 2013

Prescott Courier: 18 firefighters dead in Yarnell wildfire

Source: CBS News

YARNELL, AZ (CBS5/AP) -

The Prescott Courier reports 18 firefighters have been killed in the Yarnell Hill Fire in the Town of Yarnell.


The fast-moving fire has burned 250 structures in the Town of Yarnell and grown to 2,000 acres, command center officials said Sunday night.

Earlier, 19 firefighters battling the blaze in Yavapai County had not been heard from as the wildfire headed into the Town of Yarnell, fire officials said.

Around 6 p.m., authorities said they were unable to establish communications with them, although they had been seen from a helicopter.



Read more: http://www.kpho.com/story/22724064/prescott-courier-18-firefighters-dead-in-yarnell-wildfire

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Prescott Courier: 18 firefighters dead in Yarnell wildfire (Original Post) Jefferson23 Jun 2013 OP
Damn, that's really horrible... petronius Jun 2013 #1
Another 22 in the hospital sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #2
Thank you for adding that..just horrific. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2013 #4
19 now Catherina Jun 2013 #3
Oh no! ! 911 twitter now saying entie Prescott crew of firefighters killed Catherina Jun 2013 #5
No! This is just so out of control, too much loss of life. Jefferson23 Jun 2013 #8
This is awful, awful Catherina Jun 2013 #10
So damn sad. Shrike47 Jun 2013 #6
Pic :( Catherina Jun 2013 #7
Dear god. I heard in the background on AM radio that many were missing but didn't expect Purveyor Jun 2013 #9
LIVE: Coverage of the Yarnell Fire Catherina Jun 2013 #11
..................... alittlelark Jun 2013 #12
Terrible. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #13
This is the kind of thing that local news often does extremely well. SheilaT Jun 2013 #18
A local Arizona station is streaming live. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #25
Prayers! Iliyah Jun 2013 #14
Oh, no. I am so sorry to hear this. SheilaT Jun 2013 #15
Local news is saying 19.... DesertRat Jun 2013 #16
So sad. Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #17
WTF happened!! Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #19
Fires can move with incredibly rapidity, SheilaT Jul 2013 #26
I realize that. I was a fighter fighter. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #28
Then I hope you know just SheilaT Jul 2013 #32
Fire fighter is the most dangerous non military job in the US Government grantcart Jul 2013 #41
"Our" fire traveled at 63 mph. kaiden Jul 2013 #44
You are so right that fires cannot be out-run. SheilaT Jul 2013 #54
Also - hedgehog Jul 2013 #52
Devasted dbackjon Jul 2013 #20
very sad rollin74 Jul 2013 #21
This is very bad news for us. snort Jul 2013 #22
I'm so sorry. What a tragedy. deurbano Jul 2013 #38
Welcome to DU, deurbano. This is so sad. calimary Jul 2013 #55
I am deeply sorry, such devastation of life. Words fail in such times. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2013 #56
Cut their benefits! Kill their unions! onehandle Jul 2013 #23
There are just no words.... Marrah_G Jul 2013 #24
I distinctly remember that fire fighting would be one place where the sequester would be felt... ReRe Jul 2013 #27
I belive this is the most firefighters killed in a single wild fire KinMd Jul 2013 #29
have names been released? Kali Jul 2013 #30
One of my best friends is a wildland firefighter who lives in Yarnell... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #31
very sad. sending positive thoughts DesertFlower Jul 2013 #33
These were the elite firefighters-first municipality in the nation to have a hotshot team: Liberty Belle Jul 2013 #34
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #39
I'm rarely this shocked by a headline. Kurovski Jul 2013 #35
Horrible. Wheezy Jul 2013 #36
Very sorry for them and their families. Ash_F Jul 2013 #37
horrible azurnoir Jul 2013 #40
I knew several of these men. TM99 Jul 2013 #42
{{hugs}} Delphinus Jul 2013 #51
Thank you Delphinus. TM99 Jul 2013 #53
So very sorry for your loss, shocking turn of events. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2013 #57
Thank you. n/t TM99 Jul 2013 #58
Oh dear! longship Jul 2013 #43
Firefighters are public employees . . . just like teachers OldRedneck Jul 2013 #45
Horrible, horrible news MissDeeds Jul 2013 #46
So horrible maddezmom Jul 2013 #47
Shellshocked Franker65 Jul 2013 #48
No words theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #49
This was front page news in Delphinus Jul 2013 #50
We really need to re-evaluate our firefighting procedures NickB79 Jul 2013 #59
Names of the Fallen Ariz. Firefighters Released Jefferson23 Jul 2013 #60

sweetloukillbot

(11,029 posts)
2. Another 22 in the hospital
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jun 2013

Yarnell is not big and this fire is uncontained and spread in a day. Hopefully everyone was evacuated to Prescott or Wickenberg. I have a friend whose family lived in Yarnell.
Another source - http://www.azcentral.com/news/arizona/articles/20130630crews-fighting-small-fires-around-Arizona.html

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. Oh no! ! 911 twitter now saying entie Prescott crew of firefighters killed
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:15 AM - Edit history (2)

911 Operator ?@911BUFF 28s

BREAKING NEWS OUT OF ARIZONA: LOCAL MEDIA NOW REPORT ENTIRE PRESCOTT FIREFIGHTING CREW OF 25 FIREFIGHTERS KILLED. @william_pitts #911BUFF

https://twitter.com/911BUFF/status/351539751620313088




Edit. NO other reports are saying 25 firefighters. This is probably a mistake ^^^^^ Maybe they meant the entire crew of 19


911 Operator ?@911BUFF 3m

TRUE HEROES! PHOTO FROM THE 19 PRESCOTT FIREFIGHTERS IN BETTER DAYS. 'THOUGHTS & PRAYERS TO THEIR FAMILIES'. DCOURIER

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
9. Dear god. I heard in the background on AM radio that many were missing but didn't expect
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:30 PM
Jun 2013

this.

There aren't words but godspeed to their families and loved ones.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
13. Terrible.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jun 2013

Those men and women are so brave.

I tuned into CNN and MSNBC to see if they had anymore info, I guess reality programming is more important than the news.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
18. This is the kind of thing that local news often does extremely well.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jun 2013

I'm now listening to the live coverage from the link above.

I figured out a couple of years ago that very often when something dramatic or tragic was happening somewhere, the local news would go to streaming live coverage. I don't have a TV, so being able to get streaming coverage on the internet is quite nice.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
25. A local Arizona station is streaming live.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jul 2013

Still reality shows and murder mysteries on (GE)MSNBC and CNN. BBC World Service is covering it however.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. Oh, no. I am so sorry to hear this.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

I live in Northern New Mexico, where we've already had three major fires in this part of the state. We have gotten some rain these past three days, but I'm not sure it's made much change in our fires.

Because of our frequent fires, I often see various firefighters around town, and they are invariably the nicest and most cheerful people I ever meet. They're also extremely good looking, I might add.

Firefighters do some of the best work, certainly some of the most dangerous, and this is truly sad.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
26. Fires can move with incredibly rapidity,
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jul 2013

that's how people get trapped.

Unfortunately, TV and movies tend to show fires as being sluggish, allowing dramatic rescues to take place. In reality, that doesn't usually happen, and returning to a burning building is generally a very bad idea.

There are any number of excellent books out there about specific fires. Recently I read Killer Show by John Barylick, about the Station Fire in West Warwick, RI, on February 20, 2003 killing 100 people. The nightclub went from being perfectly okay to unsurvivable in something like 90 seconds.

The Big Burn by Timothy Egan subtitled Teddy Roosevelt and the Fire that Saved America is about a forest fire in 1910 that burned three million acres, totally destroyed five towns in Washington state, Idaho, and Montana. In two days it burned three million acres. An area roughly the size of Connecticut.

October 8, 1871 there was a big fire in Chicago. That very same day there was a fire in Wisconsin, called the Pestigo fire, that killed at least 1500 people, possibly 2500. And I bet you never heard about that one, because Chicago got all the press coverage. Firestorm at Peshtigo by Denise Gess and William Lutz is a riveting account of that fire.

One more terrible fire and a good book about it: Under a Flaming Sky by Daniel James Brown tells of a forest fire that consumed Hinckley, Minnesota, on September 1, 1894. Over 400 people died that day.

Fire is terrible and dangerous far beyond what most people realize.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
28. I realize that. I was a fighter fighter.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jul 2013

I was talking more in the incident command aspect of this tragedy.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
32. Then I hope you know just
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:12 AM
Jul 2013

how incredibly fast fire can move. I often think it's a wonder that more fire fighters aren't killed in the line of duty. That they aren't is no doubt because they generally take all the precautions necessary, but sometimes the fire just wins.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
41. Fire fighter is the most dangerous non military job in the US Government
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 03:23 AM
Jul 2013

Over the last 10 years more than 300 have died.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
54. You are so right that fires cannot be out-run.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jul 2013

Unfortunately, TV and movies constantly show people jumping away from explosions, which move a whole lot faster than a mere fire.

Many years ago there was a half hour science program on TV, probably on one of the early cable channels. Anyway, the one on fire was incredibly informative. It showed how a simple fire in a small trash can can grow to a size that the homeowner cannot possibly put out, usually inside of five minutes. It talked about flash-over, and the narrator said, "Most people who have seen flash-over are dead."

rollin74

(1,976 posts)
21. very sad
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jul 2013

they were apparently killed during a flashover while in (or attempting to get into) their personal fire shelters

just horrible

snort

(2,334 posts)
22. This is very bad news for us.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jul 2013

I watched that crew of firefighters drive by this morning. My kids know some of these guys, it's a small town and they were born here. The street lights are out in Prescott now. Prescott National Forest is a tender box. This sucks.

calimary

(81,318 posts)
55. Welcome to DU, deurbano. This is so sad.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jul 2013

Glad you're here. So sorry to hear this. This is one of those stories that tends to band us all together in sympathy and concern. And it invariably takes me back to one of mitt wrongney's many campaign speeches in which he railed against the "expansion of the federal government" and the nerve of President Obama wanting to hire MORE police and MORE firefighters! Oh the outrage! WTF was he thinking???? We NEED our first responders! And we need to honor them and their very important life-saving work, pay them well, equip them with anything they want, quit cutting their benefits, quit fucking with them and dismissing them and demeaning them and insulting them and belittling their work, and treat them as the life-savers and rescuers and selfless sacrifice-makers that they are.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
27. I distinctly remember that fire fighting would be one place where the sequester would be felt...
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jul 2013

Shame on every one of our elected officials for the "sequester". Firefighting is one department in our local governments which should never suffer budget cuts. How many deaths, how many broken hearts, will this society suffer because of that GD sequester?

KinMd

(966 posts)
29. I belive this is the most firefighters killed in a single wild fire
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jul 2013

in US history. 13 were killed at Mann Gulch in 1949, 14 at the South Canyon fire in Colorado in 1994

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
31. One of my best friends is a wildland firefighter who lives in Yarnell...
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:11 AM
Jul 2013

Haven't gotten hold of him yet, but he is a hot shot fireman for the BLM. Hoping he is safe.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
34. These were the elite firefighters-first municipality in the nation to have a hotshot team:
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jul 2013
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/13533

Shows how dangerous a firestorm can be, when even this highly trained team could be trapped. What a terrible tragedy and speaking as someone who has reported at the front lines of major wildfires, a very sobering story indeed. This could happen to anyone working at a fireline.

Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #34)

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
37. Very sorry for them and their families.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jul 2013

This is the worst incident regarding firefighters I have heard of, barring 9/11. I have great respect for what they do and the risks they take.

I want to know how this came about. I'm sure we will hear about it in the coming days.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
53. Thank you Delphinus.
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jul 2013

It has been a rough day communicating with their families and other friends.

longship

(40,416 posts)
43. Oh dear!
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:10 AM
Jul 2013


This is a horrible loss both for their families and the community. People who put their lives on the line for the benefit of others earn all our respect.


 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
45. Firefighters are public employees . . . just like teachers
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 07:40 AM
Jul 2013

Remember when teachers and
other public employees
crashed the stock market,
wiped out our 401ks,
destroyed real estate values,
took billions in bailout money,
destroyed the Gulf of Mexico
with crude oil, gave themselves
billions in bonuses,
and paid no taxes?

Remember that?

Funny, neither do I.

Delphinus

(11,831 posts)
50. This was front page news in
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jul 2013

Northeast Indiana - and I was shocked and horrified reading it. I am greatly saddened by this loss.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
59. We really need to re-evaluate our firefighting procedures
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jul 2013

The forests themselves have changed since we started attempting to manage them a century ago. Today they are thicker and more brush-filled, largely because of the fact we so aggressively stamped out any and all fires over the past century. They are also being ravaged by beetle-kill, as the climate has warmed and the beetle populations explode. There are literally millions upon millions of acres of nothing but dead pine trees throughout the western US.

Combined with the increasingly hot and dry summers we've been seeing (again due to climate change), these make for an explosive mix. Frankly, I don't see how we can stop the western forests from eventually burning on a truly massive scale without massive inputs of money and manpower.

Is it better to just pull back, abandon smaller towns, and let it all burn? Probably not. Is it a losing battle trying to stop this from eventually happening? Probably so. I have no idea how we can address these problems, but they must be addressed, even if we don't like the final decisions.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
60. Names of the Fallen Ariz. Firefighters Released
Mon Jul 1, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jul 2013

19 Firefighters Killed in Blaze


YARNELL, Ariz. — As the windblown blaze suddenly swept toward them, an elite crew of firefighting "Hotshots" desperately rushed to break out their emergency shelters and take cover on the ground under the heat-resistant fabric.

(PROFILE: Inside the Hotshots)

By the time the flames had passed, 19 men lay dead in the nation's biggest loss of firefighters in a wildfire in 80 years.

The tragedy Sunday evening all but wiped out the 20-member Granite Mountain Hotshots, a unit based in the town of Prescott, Prescott Fire Chief Dan Fraijo said as the last of the bodies were retrieved from the mountain. Only one member survived, and that was because he was moving the unit's truck at the time, authorities said.

Monday evening, the city of Prescott released the names of the men who died. They are:

Andrew Ashcraft, 29
Kevin Woyjeck, 21
Anthony Rose, 23
Eric Marsh, 43
Christopher MacKenzie, 30
Robert Caldwell, 23
Clayton Whitted , 28
Scott Norris, 28
Dustin Deford, 24
Sean Misner, 26
Garret Zuppiger, 27
Travis Carter, 31
Grant McKee, 21
Travis Turbyfill, 27
Jesse Steed, 36
Wade Parker, 22
Joe Thurston, 32
William Warneke, 25
John Percin, 24

President: "We are heartbroken"

http://www.weather.com/news/19-firefighters-die-battling-arizona-wildfire-20130630
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