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Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:04 AM Jun 2013

Russia says it has no authority to expel Snowden; Kerry: ‘Deeply troubling’

Source: Washington Post

MOSCOW — Despite a direct request from the United States to return Edward Snowden to U.S. soil to face charges of leaking government secrets, Russian officials said Monday that they had no legal authority to detain the fugitive former government contractor, who arrived in Moscow from Hong Kong on Sunday and was seeking asylum in Ecuador, reportedly by way of Havana.

A frustrated Secretary of State John F. Kerry said he was troubled by the apparent refusal of fellow world powers China and Russia to respond to espionage charges the United States had filed against Snowden, who leaked top-secret documents about U.S. surveillance programs.

“It is a very serious question for all of us in all our relationships,” Kerry said. “There is no small irony here,” Kerry added, posing the hypothetical question of whether Snowden sought refuge in China and Russia “because they’re such powerful bastions of Internet freedom.”

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Vladimir Lukin, Russia’s human rights ombudsman and a former ambassador to the United States, told the Interfax news agency that Russia had no authority to expel Snowden, as Washington was asking it to do. Russian officials said travelers who never leave a secure transit zone inside an airport — which means not crossing passport control — are not officially on Russian soil. Snowden did not have a Russia visa, several officials said, and therefore could not leave the transit zone.

In addition, Russia and the United States do not have a bilateral extradition treaty, although Kerry said Moscow was obligated to cooperate under international law.

“The Americans can’t demand anything,” Lukin said, referring to the saga dismissively. “Detective stories are good bedtime reading.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-says-it-has-no-authority-to-expel-snowden/2013/06/24/325281f2-dcaf-11e2-bd83-e99e43c336ed_story.html



Much more at the link!



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Russia says it has no authority to expel Snowden; Kerry: ‘Deeply troubling’ (Original Post) Poll_Blind Jun 2013 OP
This is so funny Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #1
How is this funny? psychopomp Jun 2013 #21
Then maybe we should try some honesty and integrity. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author premium Jun 2013 #23
How is this funny? premium Jun 2013 #24
Lol, and re-lol! Sand Wind Jun 2013 #2
Yes Kerry is deeply troubling dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #3
Oh, now it's "fellow world powers"... truth2power Jun 2013 #4
SoS making threats isn't a good idea Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #5
Russian officials are definitely having fun... idwiyo Jun 2013 #6
This is my favorite part: Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #8
Yes, that's my favourite part too. idwiyo Jun 2013 #13
How dare they. Very troubling indeed. jsr Jun 2013 #7
I think Americans John2 Jun 2013 #9
+1 christx30 Jun 2013 #12
You mean Carmen San Diego :P n/t cosmicone Jun 2013 #16
And to think the U.S. is charging him with "espionage"! Chef Eric Jun 2013 #14
well what comes around goes around madrchsod Jun 2013 #10
This story certainly has brought out the "best" in our contributors. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #11
Many of those "commenters" aren't even US Nationals. They're from okaawhatever Jun 2013 #28
The goods are safe... Helen Borg Jun 2013 #15
That's true Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #19
The Russians and Chinese have already downloaded his kiranon Jun 2013 #25
the SOS throwing around the word traitor is deeply troubling carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #17
They're circling the wagons now. It's all downhill from here. nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #18
I wonder if Kerry Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #20
Kerry, what happened to you. Congress must be the best country club. Gregorian Jun 2013 #26
. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #27

psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
21. How is this funny?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jun 2013

I, for one, would like to see the US's status returned to some semblance of what it used to be, not torn apart.

Pale Blue Dot

(16,831 posts)
22. Then maybe we should try some honesty and integrity.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:33 PM
Jun 2013

And perhaps we could also stop killing innocent people in our "war against terror," which apparently can only be waged without honesty or integrity.

Response to psychopomp (Reply #21)

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
24. How is this funny?
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:30 PM - Edit history (1)

I, for one, would like to see the US's status returned to some semblance of what it used to be, not torn apart.



Then maybe, just maybe, we should stop spying our own citizens and the citizens of other countries, then we might return to a semblance of a rule of laws nation.

Ya know, just sayin'.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. Yes Kerry is deeply troubling
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jun 2013

given his rounds of veiled threats to other nations none of which mean anything in particular.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
4. Oh, now it's "fellow world powers"...
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:23 AM
Jun 2013

Schadenfreude...

The world's greatest sponsor of State terrorism - so used to pushing everyone around. And droning them to death if they annoy us. Gotta love it!

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
8. This is my favorite part:
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jun 2013

"The Americans can’t demand anything,” Lukin said, referring to the saga dismissively. “Detective stories are good bedtime reading.”

LMAO!

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
13. Yes, that's my favourite part too.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:52 AM
Jun 2013

I think US knew as early as last week that Russia, China, Hong Kong and a number of other nations would not cooperate with extradition requests. Otherwise how can one explain absolutely moronic posturing by US officials? This entire show is for the US public consumption. I doubt that anyone with even a smallest amount of brain failed to notice that demanding submission would guarantee the defiance and refusal to cooperate.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
9. I think Americans
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jun 2013

who don't like to be spied on by their own Government are also getting a kick out of it. It serves those politicians in Washington right!

christx30

(6,241 posts)
12. +1
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:47 AM
Jun 2013

I'm personally loving it. I hope Snowden stays free for a long time, Carmen Santiago style. "Last we heard, Snowden was in the library looking for information about the Eiffel Tower and the Louve. Can you guess where he's going?"

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
11. This story certainly has brought out the "best" in our contributors.
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jun 2013

It's been fascinating to watch this unfold.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
28. Many of those "commenters" aren't even US Nationals. They're from
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:18 PM
Jun 2013

foreign countries just here to rabble rouse. I choose to ignore them.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
15. The goods are safe...
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jun 2013

Even if the US gets Snowden, which I hope won't happen, I'm sure all the secret documents he got are safe somewhere else and ready to be divulged, possibly by WikiLeaks associates.

 

Lugal Zaggesi

(366 posts)
19. That's true
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:06 PM
Jun 2013

Greenwald has already stated that Snowden has many documents which he DIDN'T release, because it would cause such harm to US surveillance around the planet.

I wonder if he will change his mind, after he's assassinated by the CIA ?
("Upon my untimely death, please release the following 100,000 documents to these 1000 Internet servers...&quot

Maybe SoS Kerry will ask his "fellow world powers" to close the Internet then, until he can clean it up ?

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
25. The Russians and Chinese have already downloaded his
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

laptop information. To paraphrase "A fool and his memory are soon parted". Hope no one dies as a result of this information being handed over to those who will profit greatly from knowing the US's secret sources in other countries.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
17. the SOS throwing around the word traitor is deeply troubling
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:35 AM
Jun 2013

to those of us who voted for him as an alternative to Bushco

 

Lugal Zaggesi

(366 posts)
20. I wonder if Kerry
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jun 2013

knows about the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation - Russia, China and regional countries joining together to counterbalance NATO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

The US tries to browbeat them on issues like Iran, then expects cooperation on trivial matters like extradition.
BTW, Iran is an Observer State in SCO, waiting for Membership.

LOL

When the "power" fades away, a Superpower doesn't quite know how to behave.
It's like a mob boss in a witness protection program...

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