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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:44 AM Jun 2013

Asteroid the size of a small truck buzzes Earth: NASA

Source: Reuters

An asteroid the size of a small truck zoomed past Earth four times closer than the moon on Saturday, the latest in a parade of visiting celestial objects that has raised awareness of potentially hazardous impacts on the planet.

NASA said Asteroid 2013 LR6 was discovered about a day before its closest approach to Earth, which occurred at 12:42 a.m. EDT (0442 GMT on Saturday) about 65,000 miles over the Southern Ocean, south of Tasmania, Australia.

The 30-foot-wide (10-metre-wide) asteroid posed no threat.

A week ago, the comparatively huge 1.7-mile-wide (2.7-km-wide) asteroid QE2, complete with its own moon in tow, passed 3.6 million miles (5.8 million km) from Earth.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/08/us-space-asteroid-idUSBRE94U12G20130608

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Asteroid the size of a small truck buzzes Earth: NASA (Original Post) Bosonic Jun 2013 OP
I thought I was being mooned ... zbdent Jun 2013 #1
Exclusive photo of truck-like ASSteroid Berlum Jun 2013 #2
LOL! Politicalboi Jun 2013 #18
Whoops. There goes another one! In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #3
have there always been this many iamthebandfanman Jun 2013 #4
Yup. Selection bias. longship Jun 2013 #6
Just curious if you know off the top of your head gvstn Jun 2013 #8
Not that I know of. longship Jun 2013 #9
Thanks for the B612 link...... Capt.Rocky300 Jun 2013 #11
Thank you! gvstn Jun 2013 #12
Let me clarify for you. longship Jun 2013 #14
Wouldn't L1 suffer from almost exactly the same problems as Earth? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #20
The advantages of L1 wouldn't be useful here I admit. longship Jun 2013 #21
Worse than that... eggplant Jun 2013 #22
We can see more of them, but they're still staggeringly vast in number Posteritatis Jun 2013 #17
The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope is going to be used for asteroid search among other things Fumesucker Jun 2013 #23
I bet they bought those cigarettes in Politicalboi Jun 2013 #19
I must be getting old my math is not too good.... 4bucksagallon Jun 2013 #5
Cringeworthy isn't it. nt longship Jun 2013 #7
Define "closeness" to be the reciprocal of "distance". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #13
There's a secret constitutional amendment requiring science news to word things poorly, I think (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #16
That is what my H.S. English teacher would have labeled "awkward construction." yellowcanine Jun 2013 #26
"asteroid the size of a small truck" Come on NASA, what kind of truck? Compact pickup, half ton, yellowcanine Jun 2013 #10
10 metres wide; if it's roughly spherical, it weighs about 1000 tons muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #15
If that is the case, how is that a "small truck"? yellowcanine Jun 2013 #25
I guess they saw ten metres, and thought "what is 10 metres long?" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #27
Of course that is kind of like a 2 yr old thinking a tall skinny glass holds more than a short yellowcanine Jun 2013 #28
Size of a truck, not weight of a truck. Well even that's not accurate but closer to your idea ;) MillennialDem Jun 2013 #29
"Length of a small truck" is about the only way it would have been accurate. yellowcanine Jun 2013 #31
Yeah I know :( but what is there spherical 10m? Medium sized house was probably the most MillennialDem Jun 2013 #33
There are days when I want that baby to hit Earth Demeter Jun 2013 #24
Small Pizza Truck vs. a Large Pizza Truck liberal N proud Jun 2013 #30
But is it the pizza which is small or the truck carrying the pizza? yellowcanine Jun 2013 #32

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
4. have there always been this many
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:07 AM
Jun 2013

and we are just now getting the ability to see all of them or are there just more occurrences happening these days?

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. Yup. Selection bias.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jun 2013

We see more of them because we can see more of them. They've always been around, so to speak.

But, the data on the Chixulub asteroid wiping out the dinos is pretty definitive and has raised consciousness at just the time when we do have the instruments to find these things, and the technology to prevent a disaster.

Wasn't it Larry Niven who said something like, "the reason the dinosaurs went extinct is that they didn't have a space program."

I don't think many people put much faith in the many minority theories these days. Like this one, for instance:

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
8. Just curious if you know off the top of your head
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jun 2013

Didn't we put some "satellites" around the sun so that we could see these objects coming with a bit more notice? I thought that happened a few years ago so that we could see "behind" the sun.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. Not that I know of.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jun 2013

But the B612 Foundation has a lot of information on its Web site. They have a lot of very smart people who are looking very closely at what we can do.

Indeed, asteroids are very difficult to find. For one, they tend to be very dark, low albedo. But as you pointed out, a telescope place inside Earth orbit looking out would have an advantage. As far as I know, B612 has exactly this on their agenda.

Apollo 9 Astronaut Rusty Schweickart is heavily involved in B612 and these matters.

Also, you might want to take in Phil Plait's TEDx talk on this topic (he's the Bad Astronomer):


Capt.Rocky300

(1,005 posts)
11. Thanks for the B612 link......
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jun 2013

I'm getting back into astronomy and observing after a long hiatus due to other life priorities. This looks like a great website.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
12. Thank you!
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:16 PM
Jun 2013

I found this which is what I was thinking about: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/360blog/

It apparently only observes the sun from two different angles and is not a telescope attempting to observe the area behind the sun. Perhaps when it was originally announced bloggers speculated on other possibilities using similar trajectories? Well, at least I now know that we don't have anything out there for an early warning system for objects coming from behind the sun. I had been wondering how so many could have gotten past such a device as have these past several months but just figured because of the dimness of the objects that was to be expected. ¯\_( ツ )_/¯

longship

(40,416 posts)
14. Let me clarify for you.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

It is not asteroids coming from behind the sun that are the big problem. It is those whose orbits make their approach to earth from the direction of the sun in the sky. The latter are near impossible to see due to the fact that sun's glare overwhelms the detector. An object like this could hit the Earth without any warning. And they are not necessarily behind the sun, in fact, normally not.

To see these near Earth asteroids we place a telescope in an orbit inside Earth's looking out. Then, the telescope can see the asteroid because the viewing field wouldn't be washed out by the sun's glare, which is the problem in the first place.

The B612 Foundation is trying to get precisely this sort of telescope built and launched. It wouldn't even have to be a big Hubble-sized scope. It would just have to have a good detector (digital camera).

Possibly a good place for such a scope would be the L1 Sun-Earth Lagrangian point.


I hope this helps. (Edited for more clarity.)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
20. Wouldn't L1 suffer from almost exactly the same problems as Earth?
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jun 2013

At any one moment, it's blinded in exactly the same direction - the direction of the Sun. The only places it would be able to look, that we can't on Earth, is the (relatively) small distance between L1 and Earth - about 1.5 million kilometres (one hundredth of the distance to the Sun). So it might give us a day or 2 of warning, at best, but probably not that - you might try evacuating an area, I suppose, but it wouldn't be pretty.

The B612 Foundation you mention proposes an orbit around the Sun with a period of 7 months:

http://b612foundation.org/sentinel-mission/the-mission/
http://b612foundation.org/sentinelmission/

which crosses Venus' orbit. That allows them to look out at the whole width between Venus and Earth, over time.

longship

(40,416 posts)
21. The advantages of L1 wouldn't be useful here I admit.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jun 2013

Mainly stability, it is always between the sun and the Earth. Keeping something there uses little energy.

But, you're correct, it is too close to Terra.

I stand corrected on that part. It was just a quick thought on my part, without really thinking deeply about it.

Thank you for the correction.

eggplant

(3,913 posts)
22. Worse than that...
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jun 2013

...Lagrange points are our space-based landfills. Everything without sufficient propulsion (that doesn't fall into our atmosphere) ends up heading towards an L-point. Seems like a dangerous place to park something valuable.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
17. We can see more of them, but they're still staggeringly vast in number
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jun 2013

To give you an idea, the main asteroid belt has a couple of million asteroids about a kilometer wide or larger, and probably several orders of magnitude more that are significantly smaller. That doesn't include asteroids in other orbits, like the one in this article, of which there are probably tens of millions more.

The solar system's pretty crowded in number-of-things terms; we're getting a lot better at noticing them but there's only so many eyes looking out there, most of which can't detect asteroids in realtime, and which can't see all the sky in depth at once.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
23. The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope is going to be used for asteroid search among other things
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jun 2013

You don't really need to go into space to look for asteroids, you just have to cover a lot of sky to a deep magnitude and do it often, at the moment that's easier to do on the ground.

http://www.lsst.org/lsst/

The 8.4-meter LSST will survey the entire visible sky deeply in multiple colors every week with its three-billion pixel digital camera, probing the mysteries of Dark Matter and Dark Energy, and opening a movie-like window on objects that change or move rapidly: exploding supernovae, potentially hazardous near-Earth asteroids, and distant Kuiper Belt Objects.

Plans for sharing the data from LSST with the public are as ambitious as the telescope itself. Anyone with a computer will be able to fly through the Universe, zooming past objects a hundred million times fainter than can be observed with the unaided eye. The LSST project will provide analysis tools to enable both students and the public to participate in the process of scientific discovery. We invite you to learn more about the science of LSST.




4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
5. I must be getting old my math is not too good....
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:18 AM
Jun 2013

but how can something be four times closer than the moon? Shouldn't that be one quarter the distance of the moon? Semantics, or rather differences in language? Or as I say I am getting old.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. Define "closeness" to be the reciprocal of "distance".
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

So if something is 100 miles away, its "closeness" is 0.01 miles^-1.



yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
26. That is what my H.S. English teacher would have labeled "awkward construction."
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:06 AM
Jun 2013

Why not say the actual miles, and then note that this is approximately 1/4 the distance to the moon? Or better yet, employ the sports analogy and tell us how many football field lengths away the asteroid was?

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
10. "asteroid the size of a small truck" Come on NASA, what kind of truck? Compact pickup, half ton,
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 11:58 AM
Jun 2013

3/4 ton, 1 ton van???????? I hate it when crucial details are left out.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
15. 10 metres wide; if it's roughly spherical, it weighs about 1000 tons
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:51 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sat Jun 8, 2013, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)

radius = 5m; 4*pi*r*r*r/3 is roughly 500 cubic metres; if you assume 2 tonnes/cubic metre (the same as 2g/cm3), you're at 1000 tonnes - or tons, roughly.

It was approaching the neighborhood of Earth at about 9.5km/s; that gave it a kinetic energy of about 45 terajoules - a little under the 67 TJ of the Hiroshima bomb (but if it picked up speed due to earth's gravity, and I think it would have, then it probably would have had a bit more, if it had hit). But it wouldn't have been a planet-wide changing collision.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
25. If that is the case, how is that a "small truck"?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jun 2013

A tractor trailer grosses a maximum of 40 tons fully loaded in most U.S. jurisdictions, so I don't see where the "small truck" comes from.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
27. I guess they saw ten metres, and thought "what is 10 metres long?"
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jun 2013

and decided a small truck. But, yeah, trucks aren't 10m in all 3 dimensions. "The size of a medium-sized house" might have been better.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
28. Of course that is kind of like a 2 yr old thinking a tall skinny glass holds more than a short
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:13 AM
Jun 2013

squatty glass when in reality the two glasses hold the same volume. One might say this is thinking in one dimension.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
31. "Length of a small truck" is about the only way it would have been accurate.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:29 AM
Jun 2013

And I expect better of NASA than to give a one dimensional measurement of a space object.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
33. Yeah I know :( but what is there spherical 10m? Medium sized house was probably the most
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:39 AM
Jun 2013

accurate idea I saw, but meh.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
24. There are days when I want that baby to hit Earth
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jun 2013

Right in DC. Where the NSA, CIA, WH and Congress are destroying America.

Then perhaps Wall St and its subdivisions.

Then perhaps we could rebuild that shining city on the hill which Reagan tore down, and his successors have bombed into submission.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
32. But is it the pizza which is small or the truck carrying the pizza?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jun 2013

That is a terrible mutilation of a classic VW bus, by the way.

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