Ron Paul, Rick Santorum Suggest Foul Play From Romney Campaign

[Firebrand Gary]

Mitt Romney scored two minor but symbolically important victories on Saturday -- a first-place finish in the CPAC Straw poll and a win in the Maine caucus -- each of which set off accusations of foul play from the second place finisher.

In an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) suggested that Romney had doctored the results of the CPAC contest.

"I don't try to rig straw polls," he said. "You have to talk to the Romney campaign and how many tickets they bought... We've heard all sorts of things."

Meanwhile, late Saturday night, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) sent an email to supporters that essentially alleged collusion between the Romney campaign and the Maine Republican Party without actually mentioning Romney by name. A portion of the email is below:

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/12/ron-paul-rick-santorum-mitt-romney-elections-2012_n_1271495.html

SMALL CLIP FROM THE PAUL CAMPAIGN

In Washington County -- where Ron Paul was incredibly strong -- the caucus was delayed until next week just so the votes wouldn’t be reported by the national media today. Of course, their excuse for the delay was "snow." That’s right. A prediction of 3-4 inches -- that turned into nothing more than a dusting -- was enough for a local GOP official to postpone the caucuses just so the results wouldn’t be reported tonight. This is MAINE we’re talking about. The GIRL SCOUTS had an event today in Washington County that wasn’t cancelled! And just the votes of Washington County would have been enough to put us over the top.

[Angry Dragon]

1. Republican Voter Fraud -------------- Where republicans are not even safe from each other

[Firebrand Gary]

2. Its pretty telling when their front runner cannot even win the primary.

Without stealing it for him.

Let's see,

The southern states delegates are proportional (diminishing the conservative vote)
The Mormon states were all moved up in the primary.
Iowa was flat out stolen for Romney. Now that its obvious they can no longer find the actual caucus counts.
Selling out tickets for CPAC to the Romney campaign as if it were the Iowa straw poll.
GOP controlled states are holding out delegate counts??? Maine, Minnesota and Missouri.

Lets see what else comes out.

Romney is a total fucking fraud. Strait up, buying his way to the front.

[CAPHAVOC]

35. Honduras?

Do you remember what went on in Honduras? I seem to think they found a computer system with the election results pre-programmed.

[Firebrand Gary]

46. Bingo! Check out the video that is referenced in post #45

Another member posted a video in the media threads that calls out exactly what you are saying.

[Old and In the Way]

9. If they hold their own elections in contempt of their voters, they sure won't have any qualms on

election fraud during the GE. These people hate democracy.

[Firebrand Gary]

10. I follow you, I was thinking the same thing.

Looking at the attempted voter suppression in addition to these accusations answers the question. Romney would certainly attempt to rig the GE.

[caveat_imperator]

51. That's where most of his super pac money will be going to if he's nominated.

[truebrit71]

52. That's the part that worries me...that's way GOTV is going to massively important this year...

...the turn out has to be so huge that they CAN'T steal it (again)...

[itsrobert]

3. OP, please change title of thread

to title of linked article as per SOP rules for LBN.

Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

[Firebrand Gary]

5. I still think the other was better.

Im more of a get right to the point kind of person.

[Happyhippychick]

4. Republicans accusing their own of voter fraud. I haven't felt this good since the

Beginning of the primary season.

[Firebrand Gary]

6. Good for Santorum and Paul.

At least they are standing up for themselves. Willard is just trying to buy this while the other fools are having to actually WORK for it. Clearly work is something Romney knows nothing about.

[mercuryblues]

16. Naw

santorum and Paul are just upset that their billionaires don't have enough money to steal it for them. IOW if the results are in their favor they are mum.

[karynnj]

30. Not a provable charge - it was a PAUL person who on the night of the Iowa caucus

said his county's numbers were wrong - giving Romney 30 too many votes. I suspect that this will really hurt in November.

At least it would for me if it were the Democrats. I would feel WORSE if the obvious cheater were the person I had originally supported - I would shift to feeling betrayed by the person not being who I believed and I would have a hard time voting for him/her. (I likely would just because the two party's have radically different agendas.

[quakerboy]

36. We can only hope

It would be nice to see a few Republicans wake up to how corrupt their party is. If people are determined to be crazy, hateful RW extremists, they should at least attempt to vote for honest to badness crazy hateful RW extremist candidates, not these Republican frauds who lie to them and then steal from us all.


But more likely Paul and Santorum will fall in line after the convention, and all the RW sheep will go bleating on behind. Cause, as we all know, a black man in office is a far greater threat than having your vote stolen and your government corrupted any day of the week.

[MjolnirTime]

7. Romney had to do something. He's getting the shit kicked out of him.

[Firebrand Gary]

8. I guess we are going to see just how corrupt the media is.

This is a huge story and Romney has already made lots of precedent in this election for it. Will the media allow Romney to steal what he cannot buy? We shall see.

[quakerboy]

37. You imply that he did not buy these results?

Its not stealing if you paid for it. And I guarantee it was paid for.

[Zambero]

11. How did Romney manage to pull off this scam without ACORN?

Did the Republicans take the time to check out the voter ID's? Did they manage to disenfranchize all targeted voters? Somehow this "above board honest election" stuff is not proceeding according to plan!

[The Wielding Truth]

47. hahaha.. good one, Zambero!

[Bette Noir]

12. Nah, I don't smell fraud.

I smell sore losers. Someone should tell these losers that the general electorate hates whiners.

[Firebrand Gary]

18. I do and its got the distinct smell of bullshit.

For me, any type of election fraud is unacceptable. If they are willing to do it in the primary, then they are willing to do it in the general.

Think 2000

[Bjorn Against]

20. If they called off the election in the bluest county in the state...

but then let the red counties vote would you approve? That is essentially what happened in Maine aside from the fact that there is no blue candidate here. What did happen is that the Republican Party prevented people from voting in the county that was likely to prevent their chosen candidate from winning, they rigged the vote and just because we don't like Ron Paul does not mean we should not call out obvious vote rigging when we see it. We would never tolerate it if supporters of our candidate were denied the right to vote and we should not tolerate it when anyone else is denied the right to vote either.

[wordpix]

13. the more repugs fire at each other, the better for dems

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. Does this mean we can replace all Republican politicians with Girl Scouts?

I certainly hope so. They'd do a lot better job.

[jpak]

15. Charlie Webster - Maine's GOP chairman conducted a witch hunt to find "voter fraud" in Maine

to support ALEC-sponsored voter suppression legislation.

Maine's Sec. of Sate found none.

Maine people overturned that stupid law with a People's Veto last November.

And this is how the GOP conducts polling among its own.

Douchebaggery of the Highest Order.

yup

[SunSeeker]

17. Romney is just practicing for the general election.

Election fraud and voter suppression is the only way this tool (or any Republican) can win in the general election.

[Firebrand Gary]

19. I agree, therefor I am curious to see how the MSM handles this now.

Because they sure did a shitty job of it in 2000.

[24601]

21. Which is one reason they will lose. They fail to recognize that specific positions

are nowhere as important as the ability to compete in November. Santorum has zero chance of attracting any significant % of the independent vote and Paul, well lots of families have crazy uncles. We love them but aren't ever going to turn over the Powers of Attorney to them!

it's not unique to one party, we've been through this. How many delegates did Dennis Kuchnich ever get?

[DonCoquixote]

22. Romney is just

Practcing to steal the election in Florida, both the convention and the general.

[underpants]

23. How many they BOUGHT? -- oh so you no likey the market based approach

[quakerboy]

39. That is funny

I didn't even pick up on that. It would be interesting to hear Paul respond to a question along those lines...

[MaineDem]

24. If I was in charge of the Paul campaign in Maine...

I'd do whatever I could to get our people out to the Washington County caucuses. Calls, canvassing, more calls, renting buses (the ME GOP is good at that), anything to get them to the caucus next week. Washington County is maybe the reddest of Maine's counties. Ron Paul could still win this.

[Old and In the Way]

25. Totally agree.

Lot more Ron Paul types than Mitt fans up there. Thiese aren't Portland-type Republicans in Washington Country. They know the number and, if they want it, they can have it.

[Mz Pip]

26. Gotta admit

I am so loving this. All the sniping and infighting and conspiracy theories make for good times. Good times. Yeah.

[Ruby the Liberal]

27. I'm confused.

The media stepped up in a big way when the Iowa results were corrected and the state 'awarded' to Senator Frothy.

"the caucus was delayed until next week just so the votes wouldn’t be reported by the national media today."

Does this mean that the caucus won't count at all, or that there would be a similar delay in declaring the winner?

I have seen both (that the caucus will count and that no caucus after last night's cutoff will count) - so looking for clarification on this.]

Anyone know?

I'm really pulling for Ron Paul in this, just to keep it interesting for a little longer.

[MaineDem]

29. Question of the day

Does this mean that the caucus won't count at all, or that there would be a similar delay in declaring the winner?

I have seen both (that the caucus will count and that no caucus after last night's cutoff will count) - so looking for clarification on this.]

That's what we're waiting to find out here in Maine. I've heard both. I assume the ME GOP slept in today after partying late into the night. Maybe we'll hear something tomorrow.

[Ruby the Liberal]

31. Ah! I wasn't aware that it was an open issue still.

Thank you for the clarification.

[MaineDem]

33. Spotlight on Washington County

http://themdistrict.tumblr.com/post/17527259960/spotlight-on-washington-co[link:http://themdistrict.tumblr.com/post/17527259960/spotlight-on-washington-co|

It doesn't appear to be "final" yet.

[Ian62]

41. It seems that the missing caucuses and votes will still be counted

But GOP won't change their "official result".
Mebbe the Dem's shud do it for them?

Don't know for certain - keep some ears to the ground.

[Ruby the Liberal]

43. How exactly does that work?

If Candidate A has a higher vote count than Candidate B once everything is tallied, but the state GOP called Candidate B a winner before the contests even finished... they just double down on it?

That just defies all logic.

[Firebrand Gary]

48. I agree Ruby, that's not going to work and the GOP should know that.

I just don't see the media allowing Romney to keep that narrative, but then again it is the media. What does surprise me is that the GOP's actual base has not erupted yet? Maybe it's a matter of time? Who knows.

[Ian62]

49. The late Caucuses will still be held

And the votes of those caucuses will still be tallied.
But the GOP will not publish these numbers unless Romney is confirmed as the winner by a larger amount of votes.
The late caucuses favor Paul - so this is unlikely to be the case.

The total 100% vote count will be availabe somehere - I think the last one to be held is next Sat.
Delayed due to snow in Maine in Feb!!!!!
This is probably one of, if not the, most favorable caucus for Paul.

98 precincts have yet to be held/fully tallied. Paul needs an average of 2 votes better than Romney in each precinct to overtake him.

I think it is a very stupid move by GOP elite (not an unusual event) and the Dem's should take maximum advantage from it.

[trof]

28. Foul play amongst Republicans? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I SAY...

[Kennah]

32. Here's your cut, Mr. Romney. Oh, thank you very much.

[unkachuck]

34. I too can not believe....

....that slick-willard, the rich wall-street Mormon, would stoop to foul-play....there must a logical explanation or possibly a mistake....

....I'll bet it's jealousy and sour-grape on the part of sanatorium and pawl....they're just jealous that slick-willard, the rich wall-street Mormon, is super-rich and they're only rich....the 1% must resent the .1%....

[quakerboy]

40. What do Paul and Santorum have against the free market?

Romney has paid for this, fair and square. Why do they hate the rich?

[Uncle Joe]

38. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Firebrand Gary.

[CoffeeCat]

42. This has been happening since DAY ONE with Iowa

I live in Iowa, and I never thought I'd get to witness rampant election fraud, but it appears that it
was happening with our Iowa caucuses.

First off, the Iowa Republican caucus vote tallies were held at some secret location. This has never happened
before, and the reasoning given was that the Republicans were afraid of OWS protesters and what they
might try to do. Oh please.

No one knew where the central office was--where people were tallying and counting the official caucus
votes that were coming in from all of the Iowa precincts across the state. That's a big ol red flag.

The night of the caucus, Karl Rove made some remark about Romney winning the caucuses, before the
caucuses were finished. That lying scumbag can't keep his mouth shut. Just like the year, he announced
that he "had the math." He has to blare it out to everyone--that he's in control.

The night of the Iowa caucus, Edward True came forward because he noticed that the official vote totals
for his precinct were NOT what he and others at his caucus site had witnessed. Romney had been issued
22 votes, when he only received 2. This discrepancy would have given Santorum the Iowa caucus win.

True confirmed his precinct vote totals with his Precinct Captain and his Precinct Chair. However, the Republican
party decided to do nothing. Instead they declared Romney the winner. They didn't investigate. Instead, they
said the vote would be certified in two weeks--and at that time official totals would be given.

Notice the stalling??? A Santorum win before the New Hampshire primary would have given Santorum fundraising
and momentum opportunities. But those were lost forever because of the Iowa Republican Party foot dragging, that
was obviously done at the behest of Karl Rove and the Republican establishment that wants Romney.

Finally, when the Iowa caucus totals were official--Santorum won. What is so interesting about this--is that the
Republican establishment, Karl Rove and Romney all declared the Iowa caucus "a tie." It was like they tried
to drown out the Iowa Republican party. I guess they all thought Iowa Republicans would just lie low and defer
to the big boys in DC--who were clearly monkeying with our caucus.

Finally, our Iowa Republican party came out and declared Santorum the winner. Seriously...can you believe Rove and friends
tried to spin a Santorum win as a tie between Santorum and Romney???

The Republican establishment is a bunch of cheats, liars and shameless boobs. What honor is there in winning if
your guy can't win at all--and you have to play these games at every state along the way. Doesn't your candidate
have any shame?

There's no doubt that we are seeing a preview of cheating attractions that will happen in the General Election. These
Republican hacks will do whatever they possibly can to win--and they don't give a damn what the people want or how
the people vote. Our votes are meaningless. Our newly elected Republican Secretary of State just helped pass a
law, mandating that all voters show valid Iowa Driver's Licenses to vote. Nice suppression tactic.

They'll use every possibly cheating tactic--to win something that they do not deserve. These people are such losers and
they will steal the Presidential election--you can bank on it.

[grantcart]

44. I wonder if it will mean that the Maine state party chair will resign like the Iowa one had to?

[Firebrand Gary]

45. Hey Gang, I am cross posting this thread from Dokkie.

Last edited Mon Feb 13, 2012, 05:28 AM - Edit history (1)

Thanks again Dokkie, very helpful thread in discussing voter fraud. http://www.democraticunderground.com/101711866#post3

[lunatica]

50. Whining about Foul Play during an election year is a waste of time

Especially when foul play is the way the game is played. Always has been and probably always will be.

Nobody cares. Really. No one cares because it's about winning The Big One at all costs. It's built into the system.

[yellowcanine]

53. Are they saying the Romney campaign whacked someone?