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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:02 PM Jun 2013

U.S. Intelligence Mining Data from Nine U.S. Internet Companies in Broad Secret Program

Source: Washington Post

U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

By Barton Gellman and Laura Poitras, Published: THURSDAY, JUNE 06, 5:43 PM ET

The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio, video, photographs, e-mails, documents and connection logs that enable analysts to track a person’s movements and contacts over time.

The highly classified program, code-named PRISM, has not been disclosed publicly before. Its establishment in 2007 and six years of exponential growth took place beneath the surface of a roiling debate over the boundaries of surveillance and privacy. Even late last year, when critics of the foreign intelligence statute argued for changes, the only members of Congress who know about PRISM were bound by oaths of office to hold their tongues.

An internal presentation on the Silicon Valley operation, intended for senior analysts in the NSA’s Signals Intelligence Directorate, described the new tool as the most prolific contributor to the President’s Daily Brief, which cited PRISM data in 1,477 articles last year. According to the briefing slides, obtained by The Washington Post, “NSA reporting increasingly relies on PRISM” as its leading source of raw material, accounting for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports.

That is a remarkable figure in an agency that measures annual intake in the trillions of communications. It is all the more striking because the NSA, whose lawful mission is foreign intelligence, is reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.

The technology companies, which participate knowingly in PRISM operations, include most of the dominant global players of Silicon Valley. They are listed on a roster that bears their logos in order of entry into the program: “Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.” PalTalk, although much smaller, has hosted significant traffic during the Arab Spring and in the ongoing Syrian civil war.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

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U.S. Intelligence Mining Data from Nine U.S. Internet Companies in Broad Secret Program (Original Post) Hissyspit Jun 2013 OP
Hey, NSA and FBI - FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! forestpath Jun 2013 #1
Now you did it DJ13 Jun 2013 #3
I hear a pounding at my d.... forestpath Jun 2013 #5
Enjoy your trip to Guantanamo. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #9
austerity for poor people and $$ billions for the police state under new management nt msongs Jun 2013 #2
Feels like Germany in the 1930's, but with better technology. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #11
This is the process for setting up a corporate dictatorship where we will not be able to fight them. L0oniX Jun 2013 #4
Change you can beLIEve in! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #10
I wish I was as optomistic as you. harun Jun 2013 #15
Yep. What you said. cliffordu Jun 2013 #16
Stealthy WovenGems Jun 2013 #35
"... The order ... directs a Verizon Communications subsidiary, Verizon Business Network Services, struggle4progress Jun 2013 #42
Makes ya wonder if Verizon is also scooping up info for its advantage. L0oniX Jun 2013 #43
It's their business records struggle4progress Jun 2013 #44
Nope, but changing and repealing the Patriot Act Iliyah Jun 2013 #6
It will never happen. PSPS Jun 2013 #18
Now if they did something useful, like busting telemarketers and scam artists... Thor_MN Jun 2013 #7
I have seen the enemy, and he is us. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #8
Re: 'have seen the enemy' mallard Jun 2013 #36
about Judge Roger Vinson hypergrove Jun 2013 #12
All Bush's fault? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #13
F'ing congress voted in the Patriot Act with out ever reading it. L0oniX Jun 2013 #17
Everything before Facebook is his, and his guys fired this thing up. MADem Jun 2013 #28
And President Obama - The Constitutional Scholar - Supports This - I Want My Vote Back - And Now! cantbeserious Jun 2013 #14
I would like to take this opportunity to say how much I love my government. WestStar Jun 2013 #19
LOL Kurovski Jun 2013 #22
What pisses me off Ratty Jun 2013 #20
Absolutely ratty. Th1onein Jun 2013 #26
Public outcry? I wouldn't be too sure about that. Brigid Jun 2013 #30
um ... the FISA courts have been operating in secret for decades struggle4progress Jun 2013 #47
We can't trust our government someone else Jun 2013 #21
Didn't Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon speak out as forcefully as he could given the constraints? I am silvershadow Jun 2013 #23
Too much dependence on signals intelligence is making us stupid starroute Jun 2013 #24
Only 2007? I thought they were doing this well before that!!! MADem Jun 2013 #25
All of this did nothing to stop the bombings in Boston. Loudestlib Jun 2013 #27
They should have been on "Russkie Facebook!!!!" nt MADem Jun 2013 #29
Hey, NSA, can you see my one finger salute from here? Lifelong Protester Jun 2013 #31
This thread is now being monitored by the NSA Malik Agar Jun 2013 #32
I had to check out which companies were involved. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #33
"But as long as..." adieu Jun 2013 #34
I find it outrageous, but at least I can debate with the opposition. TekGryphon Jun 2013 #37
Sounds like Tor may become big business before long. Kablooie Jun 2013 #38
Here's a fascinating video on the topic: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #39
Very interesting. Kablooie Jun 2013 #49
Hey guys we are at war, a global war vinny9698 Jun 2013 #40
Tech giants flatly deny allowing NSA direct access to servers struggle4progress Jun 2013 #41
This seems to be in direct contradiction to what the WaPo is saying ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #45
From WaPo: struggle4progress Jun 2013 #46
Bipartisanship and private funding of electoral campaigns need to end. ocpagu Jun 2013 #48
Not so much anymore. Bolo Boffin Jun 2013 #50
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
9. Enjoy your trip to Guantanamo.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jun 2013

Although I hear the Feds have a satellite branch in Paraguay that Bushco bought back in '04-'05.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
4. This is the process for setting up a corporate dictatorship where we will not be able to fight them.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

They will know if we try to start any group to go against them and they will stop us. I suspect that this their goal.

harun

(11,348 posts)
15. I wish I was as optomistic as you.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:57 PM
Jun 2013

But this train has already left the station. Quite some time ago actually.

WovenGems

(776 posts)
35. Stealthy
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:03 PM
Jun 2013

Use cash as it is still king and can't be traced in amounts smaller the 10k if used publicly and an unlimited amount if used underground.

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
42. "... The order ... directs a Verizon Communications subsidiary, Verizon Business Network Services,
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 11:08 AM
Jun 2013

to turn over ... all call logs ... Verizon Business Network Services is one of the nation’s largest telecommunications and Internet providers for corporations. It is not clear whether similar orders have gone to other parts of Verizon ..."
U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls
By CHARLIE SAVAGE and EDWARD WYATT
Published: June 5, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130606&_r=0

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. Nope, but changing and repealing the Patriot Act
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jun 2013

and putting forth the Shield Law may happen but not until 2014 when the Dems take the house back. Damn, why are the newspapers so late on this information. I knew about all these back in the early 2000's

PSPS

(13,609 posts)
18. It will never happen.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

This isn't right versus left. It's the top 1% (really, the top 0.01%) versus everyone else. Congress is hopelessly corrupted and only furthers the agenda of the 1%. That's what this is really about. To them, the notion of getting the business of the 99% done is "terrorism" because it will cost the top 1% some of their loot. You see, the "they" they refer to is the 99%. Even policies that have 80% support in the country, including large majorities of republicans, never see the light of day because the 1% has its veto power over everything.

So, even if we were to have democratic majorities in both houses and the white house, nothing will change. They're all on the pad.

I wish it weren't true but I think the train left the station many years ago.

mallard

(569 posts)
36. Re: 'have seen the enemy'
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:19 PM
Jun 2013

We should try and be more specific here and not cast ourselves into the darkness of co-opting with post 9/11 neocon intentions to re-indentify the country. 'He' is not really us, after all, as much as he'd like to be!

Some attempts to identify the enemy as a politcal bloc have been met with disapproval by DU moderators. No stepping on toes, you see.

 

hypergrove

(23 posts)
12. about Judge Roger Vinson
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jun 2013
On January 31, 2011, Judge Roger Vinson ruled that the mandatory health insurance "individual mandate"—the provision of Internal Revenue Code section 5000A imposing a "shared responsibility penalty" on nearly all Americans who fail to purchase health insurance—was outside the power of Congress. Vinson also held that the mandate could not be severed from the rest of the Affordable Care Act and struck down the entire Act.


from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_et_al_v._United_States_Department_of_Health_and_Human_Services (emphasis added)

This is the guy on the FISA court who gave the order to Verizon...
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
17. F'ing congress voted in the Patriot Act with out ever reading it.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 07:07 PM
Jun 2013

Then ...after a few years and plenty of time to read it they voted it in permanently.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Everything before Facebook is his, and his guys fired this thing up.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:41 PM
Jun 2013

They must find it a TERRIBLY useful system....

Otherwise, why carry on?

How interesting that all these providers voluntarily participate....

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
20. What pisses me off
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jun 2013

It's the injunction against even revealing the existence of this scheme (I mean, who didn't suspect this has been going on all along anyway?) I'm pissed because I'm convinced the injunction was to prevent the public outcry we're seeing now and not to keep from alerting terrorists or any other security-related issue.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
30. Public outcry? I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:43 PM
Jun 2013

How many people, even now, are really paying attention? A lot of them barely know who the President is.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
23. Didn't Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon speak out as forcefully as he could given the constraints? I am
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jun 2013

sure he said Americans would be shock or stunned at the broadness of the programs.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
24. Too much dependence on signals intelligence is making us stupid
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jun 2013

That may be the cheery side of the story. As sigint flourishes, humint -- human intelligence -- declines. That leaves us with less and less ability to know what's actually happening in other countries, particularly in volatile areas. It's the intel equivalent of every other area where we're so dependent on our technology that we get out of touch with reality. We're good at surveillance and special ops and lousy at everything else.

The truth is that massive data mining just isn't that useful. It may be an effective way of suppressing internal discontent, but it sure doesn't tell you much about the rest of the world.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
25. Only 2007? I thought they were doing this well before that!!!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jun 2013

See? There is a new reason to say FACEBOOK SUCKS!!!

The technology companies, which participate knowingly in PRISM operations, include most of the dominant global players of Silicon Valley.


I always assumed they were doing this, but I assumed they were more capable than they apparently are admitting to at this point....

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
33. I had to check out which companies were involved.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jun 2013
“Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.”


Does that mean DU is safe????

Not that it matters, I am screwn on a few other places.

TekGryphon

(430 posts)
37. I find it outrageous, but at least I can debate with the opposition.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:24 PM
Jun 2013

There's people who find this outrageous.
There's people who can make arguments to justify it.
There's people who are only now outraged that Obama is doing it.

It's that third crowd that really pisses me off, and I've already told this to a handful of teabaggers on FaceBook. If people are only NOW getting outraged about this it's because they're hypocrites with no real core values.

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
38. Sounds like Tor may become big business before long.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jun 2013

Tor is an open network that anonymizes your web browsing so that network surveillance can't tell what your doing or who you're connecting to.

Kablooie

(18,637 posts)
49. Very interesting.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 07:32 PM
Jun 2013

I had no idea they were in a constant, ongoing war to keep Tor available to everyone in the world.
Pretty impressive.

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
40. Hey guys we are at war, a global war
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:04 AM
Jun 2013

We are in a global war, where the enemy is using technology to attack us. Would you all be talking like this if this technology was available during WWII? Would you let the Nazis sympathizers have their privacy?

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
41. Tech giants flatly deny allowing NSA direct access to servers
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 11:06 AM
Jun 2013

Dominic Rushe and James Ball in New York
Thursday 6 June 2013 19.48 EDT

... An Apple spokesman said: "We have never heard of PRISM. We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers and any agency requesting customer data must get a court order," he said ...

A Google spokesman also said it did not provide officials with access to its servers. "Google cares deeply about the security of our users' data. We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government 'backdoor' into our systems, but Google does not have a 'back door' for the government to access private user data."

Microsoft said it only turned over data when served with a court order: "We provide customer data only when we receive a legally binding order or subpoena to do so, and never on a voluntary basis. In addition we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers. If the government has a broader voluntary national security program to gather customer data we don't participate in it."

A Yahoo spokesman said: "Yahoo! takes users' privacy very seriously. We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/prism-tech-giants-shock-nsa-data-mining

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
45. This seems to be in direct contradiction to what the WaPo is saying ...
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jun 2013

I'm really wondering where the hell the WaPo got all this information ... they are just spelling out all these things as absolute 'facts' (with no attribution to where it originated) many of which it would seem to me are still entirely 'classified'.

So ... who do we believe here? I can't see these companies lying about this stuff when, if it turns out they're lying, their customers would leave in far larger numbers than would if they'd just kept their mouths shut from the beginning.

On a related note ... unfortunately, nobody ever guaranteed that anything you do on 'the internet' is actually 'private' in the sense of the government not being allowed to watch you, so ...

And as an aside ... I'd like to know exactly what the tenets of this program are in terms of the supposed 'safeguards', before I light my hair on fire and start screaming for Obama's downfall all over DU like a damn Freeper.

Maybe, just maybe, there actually ARE adequate safeguards to our privacy implemented in this program?

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
46. From WaPo:
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jun 2013
... “We do not provide any government organization with direct access to Facebook servers,” said Joe Sullivan, chief security officer for Facebook. “When Facebook is asked for data or information about specific individuals, we carefully scrutinize any such request for compliance with all applicable laws, and provide information only to the extent required by law.”

“We have never heard of PRISM,” said Steve Dowling, a spokesman for Apple. “We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order” ...

“Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data,” a company spokesman said. “We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door’ into our systems, but Google does not have a ‘back door’ for the government to access private user data.”

Microsoft also provided a statement: “We provide customer data only when we receive a legally binding order or subpoena to do so, and never on a voluntary basis. In addition we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers. If the government has a broader voluntary national security program to gather customer data we don’t participate in it” ...


U.S., British intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
By Barton Gellman and Laura Poitras

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
48. Bipartisanship and private funding of electoral campaigns need to end.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jun 2013

They are driving US to fascism.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
50. Not so much anymore.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:30 PM
Jun 2013

The WaPo has walked this story way, way back now.

Looks like we're dealing with normal warrants for data.

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