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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:52 PM Jun 2013

Christie Calls Election in October to Fill Senate Seat

Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:26 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: New York Times

In a decision fraught with political implications, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey announced on Tuesday that he would schedule a special election in October for the Senate seat left vacant by the death of Frank R. Lautenberg on Monday.

The move was expected to draw criticism from Democrats in the state, arguing that such a move by Mr. Christie, a Republican, would amount to squandering taxpayer money to protect his own political ambitions. Scheduling a special election rather than adding the vote for the Senate seat to the November ballot would cost millions of dollars.

A special Oct. 16 ballot means the choice of a new senator will not overshadow the race for governor, which will now remain at the top of statewide ballots in November. Republicans in the state are counting on Mr. Christie, who has been hoping that a landslide re-election victory will help propel a possible run for president in 2016, to draw his supporters to the polls, helping Republican candidates for the state Legislature and for many local offices.

Conflicting New Jersey statues on how to fill Senate vacancies left Mr. Christie with at least two other options about when to schedule the election.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/05/nyregion/christie-sets-october-special-election-for-lautenberg-seat.html



Crooked Dick Tracy character chooses to drop a hot potato.

Hey Teabaggers! Christie is spending 12 MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY to fund this special election for self interest. That ok, with you?

'I got mine, jack.'


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Christie Calls Election in October to Fill Senate Seat (Original Post) onehandle Jun 2013 OP
So is this good for michello Jun 2013 #1
No, well it might be. This is very good for Chris Christie ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2013 #4
I thought for sure he would throw some much needed red meat to the gop base... Kahuna Jun 2013 #6
He's not a whore, he's an asshole. Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #7
Just took a look at freeperville...They are not happy. Kahuna Jun 2013 #9
Dummies. They don't realize the slick move Christie pulled. They'll catch up... SunSeeker Jun 2013 #23
More here.... alsame Jun 2013 #2
Smart move frazzled Jun 2013 #3
on this we agree. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2013 #5
How is wasting $24M on a special election "best for the voters of New Jersey"? SunSeeker Jun 2013 #22
You want a Republican in there for a year and a half? frazzled Jun 2013 #28
The Gov. election is in November 2013, not 2014, sorry. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #29
Exactly. WTF! Wasted MONEY for New Jersey! nm Cha Jun 2013 #38
Christie claims the statutes don't permit both to be held then frazzled Jun 2013 #39
It is a matter of statutory interpretation that will probably get resolved in the courts. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #42
It lets them have primaries in both parties, select nominees and pick their Senator karynnj Jun 2013 #41
Honorable? Ter Jun 2013 #46
"Democrat Governor"? I only know of Democratic Governors. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #51
The best for the voters would be to move the election to Nov. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #26
+1 SunSeeker Jun 2013 #37
NJ has the say canonfodder Jun 2013 #49
so strange it would be on a Wednesday rurallib Jun 2013 #8
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. asjr Jun 2013 #10
Why? SunSeeker Jun 2013 #20
I must have missed the October part. I thought it would be asjr Jun 2013 #43
Its not $24 million, it is $12 million. former9thward Jun 2013 #50
Whether it's $12 or $24 million, it is a huge waste of money and a transparently political ploy. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #54
Hoping all you New Jerseyites will No Vested Interest Jun 2013 #11
The move GUARANTEES Booker will not interfere with his re-election campaign DainBramaged Jun 2013 #12
guess you gotta live in NJ to have seen this coming. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #15
better than some Republican appointment Alamuti Lotus Jun 2013 #13
That's why he's popular in NJ, he's "not a total asshole someties" DainBramaged Jun 2013 #16
ahhh -- so some 'decent' things are just posturing for the low attention span crowd? Alamuti Lotus Jun 2013 #47
Oh I bet we'll get a Republican appointment. He hasn't announced the appointment yet. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #21
He's a sly one, that Christie. I think he wants whats best for NJ as long as it's good for him too. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #14
Duh Mare of Chicaguh, (the original Daley), was repeatedly quoted ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2013 #18
Ha ha, love it. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #45
true story ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2013 #60
I wish the current "mare" of chicago was that caring JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2013 #55
No kidding. I also wish that we had a Royko to ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2013 #59
When he killed the tunnel project, he lost the Unions forever DainBramaged Jun 2013 #17
^Post of the day^ Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #25
The headline at HuffPo is "CHRISTIE: $12 MILLION TO DODGE BOOKER" SunSeeker Jun 2013 #19
Christie put this off for 5 whole frickin' months!?! Say bye-bye, Chris, you're toast!!! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #24
For those of you who don't like the special election, 1KansasDem Jun 2013 #27
The gubernatorial election is November 5, 2013. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #30
He could have appointed a republican now and 1KansasDem Jun 2013 #32
He probably will appoint a Republican now. But why not have the Senator vote Nov. 5? SunSeeker Jun 2013 #34
He managed to piss off about everybody. 1KansasDem Jun 2013 #44
Newark Star Ledger: "Liberal groups not happy about Christie special election plan" alp227 Jun 2013 #31
The sooner Cory Booker is seated, the less mischief can happen graham4anything Jun 2013 #33
Because we need the Dem turnout on Nov. 5, and why waste $24M? SunSeeker Jun 2013 #35
Be happy he didn't attempt to hold off to Nov. 2014 graham4anything Jun 2013 #36
He's too smart to do that. He doesn't want Booker turning the legislature blue. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #40
No, because Booker is ALSO going to have to run for a full term in Nov. 2014. graham4anything Jun 2013 #48
I'd rather Booker be on the ballot 2 weeks later, on Nov. 5, to dampen Christie's numbers. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #53
It's an off year, why wouldn't they be? graham4anything Jun 2013 #58
And do you think RudynJack Jun 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author brentspeak Jun 2013 #52
Smart move politically fujiyama Jun 2013 #56
well I guess Christie can do this and he wont piss off his base, but I am LIVID! HeroInAHalfShell Jun 2013 #61
I agree with the others Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #62

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
4. No, well it might be. This is very good for Chris Christie
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:58 PM
Jun 2013

Of all the gaggle of silly geese who make up most of today's GOP, he ends up looking the most rational, reasonable, and statesmanlike.

He could have been partisan, which would have fed the cage of Tea Baggers and neocons, but that would have turned off most of the rest of the country.

smart move.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
6. I thought for sure he would throw some much needed red meat to the gop base...
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jun 2013

Seems he is not your typical gop whore afterall.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
2. More here....
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jun 2013

Christie sets October special election to fill vacant NJ Senate seat

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, R, called for a special election in 2013 to choose the successor to the late Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg.

Christie announced at a press conference on Tuesday that he had opted against appointing a successor to Lautenberg to serve until the 2014 election, and had set a general election on Wed., Oct. 16. The primary will be held in August.

Christie also said he would appoint an interim senator to serve between now and November, though he explained that he had not decided on that temporary appointee yet.

The governor's announcement is expected to face a court challenge from Democrats.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/04/18752076-christie-sets-october-special-election-to-fill-vacant-nj-senate-seat?lite

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. Smart move
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jun 2013

No matter what the political outcome in October. Smart for Christie and best for the voters of New Jersey. I hope he appoints a place holder, but it sounds like he won't.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
5. on this we agree.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jun 2013

While we might have knock down, drag out fights, on the issue of whether the FLying Spaghetti Monster deserves a Huge Granite Plate in front of the supreme court building, we clearly see the savvy move Christie pulled here.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
22. How is wasting $24M on a special election "best for the voters of New Jersey"?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jun 2013

He should have the election to fill the seat in Nov. 2013, when there will already be an election for governor and other seats, and save the state $24M. Christie doesn't want the senate seat to be voted on at the same time as governor. Booker is running for the senate seat, is popular and will bring out Dem voters, which will hurt Christie's chances (and other Republicans on the ballot). So he wants Booker nowhere near the November ballot. That is why Christie wants the senator election this October. Plus, special elections are always low turnout, which helps Republicans, not that anyone has a chance against Booker. Christie should just do the honorable thing and appoint Booker and set the senate seat election for November. But he obvisously won't. Honorable and Republican just don't go together. So much for Christie being a fiscal conservative. He's just a Republican hack.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
28. You want a Republican in there for a year and a half?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jun 2013

I sure don't. No way is he ever going to appoint Booker.

I don't live in New Jersey. I do, however, live in the nation, and that Republican vote for a year and a half is not a happy prospect.

In general, it's wrong to have an appointed senator than for longer than is necessary.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
29. The Gov. election is in November 2013, not 2014, sorry.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jun 2013

Sorry about the error in my post. It should read November 2013. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_gubernatorial_election,_2013

So no, I don't want a Republican there a year and a half. I want the election for senator on November 5, as part of the regular election for governor. We're talking one month difference to save $24 million.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
39. Christie claims the statutes don't permit both to be held then
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jun 2013

Whether that's true or not, I don't know. But that's what he said in his press conference:

“The dates in the statute don’t permit it to happen in the general election,” said Christie. “There’s no political purpose to this. … The option to have it on the general election is not an option.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/chris-christie-calls-special-election-replace-lautenberg.php?ref=fpa

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
41. It lets them have primaries in both parties, select nominees and pick their Senator
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jun 2013

The interim Senator will serve about 4 to 5 months - about the same length of time that the MA interim Senator served. It is possible that Christie might pick someone who wants to run in the Republican primary - something that MA pretty much ruled out. As the state law does not require picking someone of Lautenberg's party, Christie will not do so - and I challenge you to find any precedent in either party. (Hawaii has a provision that the nominee must come from that party - which I think honors the intent of the voter and would be a good provision in any state.)

However, that person would not really have much time as an incumbent before the election. I don't know which Republicans were thinking of running, but Booker is the favorite - no matter who runs, incumbent or not.

I do think that having the election in November would make more sense - so only extra primaries need be paid for, but it seems that one alternative was to have the incumbent in until the results of the Nov 2014 election were known.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
46. Honorable?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 07:00 PM
Jun 2013

When has a Democrat Governor done the "honorable" thing and appointed a Republican when a Republican Senator died? Sorry, but in modern times, they always appoint their own political party. I know I would appoint someone I agree with.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
51. "Democrat Governor"? I only know of Democratic Governors.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jun 2013

I hate it when Dems use the Republicans' incorrect grammar and incorrect name for our party. They love to say "Democrat Party," emphasizing the "rat" syllable. It is so childish. The name of our party is the Democratic Party, and we have Democratic office holders.

Anyway, our Democratic President has appointed plenty of Republicans. And I get the tradition. And I get that politics is not an honorable profession. But there ARE some honorable people in it. Chris Christie is not one of them.

Frank Lautenberg was a liberal Democratic senator. To appoint a right wing Republican is a slap in the face of his constituents. Christie might be stupid enough to do that. But if he thinks about it, he will just put in a placeholder guy no one considers partisan. That will mullify Lautenberg's constituents and make Christie look good, since it would be the honorable thing to do too. No one is going to win against Booker anyway. We'll see...

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
26. The best for the voters would be to move the election to Nov.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jun 2013

Save several million dollars. Christie doesn't want dems to turn out in Nov. so the Gop can take the legislature.
The dems should take him to court.

 

canonfodder

(208 posts)
49. NJ has the say
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jun 2013

The laws of NJ has the final say on how this is handled.
If the porky-one follows that law, we have nothing.
Let the people of NJ choose.

rurallib

(62,444 posts)
8. so strange it would be on a Wednesday
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:07 PM
Jun 2013

and not a Tuesday when almost every other election in America is held.
Being on a Wednesday in October seems to be a move to lighten the Democratic turnout - no surprise there

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
20. Why?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Why not have the senate seat election in November and save NJ taxpayers $24 million ($12 M for special primary + $12M for October special election)? I'll tell you why. Booker is popular and will bring out Dem voters, which will hurt Christie's chances (and other Republicans on the ballot). So Christie is having a special election this October, on a Wednesday, which will guarantee a tiny turnout, which always helps Republicans.

Not that anyone has a change against Booker for the Senate seat. Christie should just do the honorable thing and appoint Booker, and let him sit there until the election in November. But of course he won't. People say Christie is reasonable and bipartisan, but he is one of the slickest partisans out there. And he sure as hell is no fiscal conservative judging by this move.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
43. I must have missed the October part. I thought it would be
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jun 2013

very soon. I'm going to give up on predicting anything political anymore and reading something twice before making a decision.Thanks for pointing out October.

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
50. Its not $24 million, it is $12 million.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jun 2013

The primary would have to be held whether the election was in Oct. or Nov. so that extra money must be spent no matter what.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
11. Hoping all you New Jerseyites will
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jun 2013

speak out loud and clear (letters to editors, blogs, emails, tweets, talk radio, etc.)
to let the Governor and the public know just what you think of this decision.
Wednesday voting?
Sheeeesh.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
12. The move GUARANTEES Booker will not interfere with his re-election campaign
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jun 2013

Booker runs for Senate in 2014, LOTS of us would go to the polls and undermine his 'landslide' and his attempts to flood NJ with Red PisPuglicans.


Now, Booker gets the Senate seat, Christie blows Buono out of the water, and he keeps his 'hero' aura intact.


He is a candidate for the easily distracted, not for the intelligent New Jerseyan, unfortunately we have a lot of dopes who support him.

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
15. guess you gotta live in NJ to have seen this coming.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jun 2013

Christie is the ultimate politician, through and through. Best I've seen in years.

 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
13. better than some Republican appointment
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jun 2013

I'm not sure how to interpret Christie's actions sometimes--for a prominent Republican with ambitions of higher office, he's not a total asshole sometimes. And I stress in both sentences--'sometimes', which just makes it confusing.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
16. That's why he's popular in NJ, he's "not a total asshole someties"
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

And he made SURE to impress everyone how much he likes the President.


He is a scumbag. He has given away over ONE BILLION DOLLARS in future corporate tax revenues to his contributors to get them to 'stay' in NJ even though they were never going to leave.


And on and on.

 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
47. ahhh -- so some 'decent' things are just posturing for the low attention span crowd?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jun 2013

I saw his Convention speech, so I know he's a firebrand Republican, some other "moderate" or pseudo-conciliatory moves just seemed odd. But, your posts here make sense, thanks.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
21. Oh I bet we'll get a Republican appointment. He hasn't announced the appointment yet.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:38 PM - Edit history (1)

He should have the election to fill the seat in November 2013, when there will already be an election for governor and other seats, and save the state $24M (special primary plus October 2013 special election). But noooo. Christie doesn't want the senate seat to be voted on at the same time as governor. Booker is running for the senate seat, is popular and will bring out Dem voters, which will hurt Christie's chances (and other Republicans on the ballot). So he wants Booker nowhere near the November ballot. That is why Christie wants the senator election this October. Plus, special elections are always low turnout, which helps Republicans, not that anyone has a chance against Booker. Christie should just do the honorable thing and appoint Booker and set the senate seat election for November. But he obvisously won't. Honorable and Republican just don't go together. So much for Christie being a fiscal conservative. He's just a Republican hack.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
18. Duh Mare of Chicaguh, (the original Daley), was repeatedly quoted
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jun 2013

as instructing his ward guys and top aides thusly, "First, ja gotta fix wats wrong, and den you can have sometin for yer pocket. Not da udder way around."

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
60. true story
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

He spoke badly, his grammar was pathetic, but when he died in office, he was not a rich man. Some of his aides became millionaires on $43,000, including overtime. Still, because, despite, - you choose, this is the greatest city in the world.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
17. When he killed the tunnel project, he lost the Unions forever
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jun 2013

20000+ skilled jobs, gone in a blink of his McDonalds eye.


http://www.streetsblog.org/2012/04/10/independent-federal-report-confirms-christie-lied-to-kill-arc-tunnel/


It was never about cost overruns. It was never about New Jersey’s share of the price tag. Chris Christie’s decision to kill the ARC tunnel under the Hudson River was always about two, and only two, things: the governor’s unwillingness to raise the state’s rock-bottom gas tax and his desire to make a name for himself among national Republicans.

A new report from the Government Accountability Office, the independent and non-partisan investigation agency of the federal government, lays bare what transit advocates knew all along: Christie wanted to break into the piggy bank of transit dollars put aside by previous administrations and use the money to bail out the state’s highways. He was willing to say anything to get his way.

Christie’s untrue statements about New Jersey’s most important transit project were catalogued by the New York Times, which broke the news of the GAO report this morning. The governor claimed, for example, that New Jersey would be paying 70 percent of the cost of building the first new rail tunnels under the Hudson in a century, which he argued was too high. The GAO found that the state would only shoulder 14.4 percent of the cost.

Christie repeatedly cited cost overruns, which he said would put the total price tag at up to $14 billion, as a reason to pull the plug on the project. But, reported the Times, “the range of estimates had in fact remained unchanged in the two years before he announced in 2010 that he was shutting down the project. And state transportation officials, the report says, had said the cost would be no more than $10 billion.”

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
25. ^Post of the day^
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jun 2013

That is one hell of an indictment against a guy who lived on pork for years and years before shutting down one of the most important projects that had been started in that area in years.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
19. The headline at HuffPo is "CHRISTIE: $12 MILLION TO DODGE BOOKER"
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jun 2013

That is the most succinct explanation for what is happening.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
24. Christie put this off for 5 whole frickin' months!?! Say bye-bye, Chris, you're toast!!!
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Tue Jun 4, 2013, 07:20 PM - Edit history (1)

I can't believe that Christie thinks this is going to save his bacon, or in his case, his ham.

1KansasDem

(251 posts)
27. For those of you who don't like the special election,
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jun 2013

Would you rather have a republican appointed to the seat for a year and a half?
He's said he will appoint a replacement (probably a republican) but that appointment will only last until Oct. of this year. Hopefully not enough time to do any real damage.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
34. He probably will appoint a Republican now. But why not have the Senator vote Nov. 5?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jun 2013

Why have the special election just 2 weeks before the already scheduled gov. election and waste $24M? Why not have the senate seat on the Nov. 5 ballot?

1KansasDem

(251 posts)
44. He managed to piss off about everybody.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jun 2013

Repugs mad they didn't get the seat for 1 1/2 years.
We're unhappy he's wasting money on a special.

alp227

(32,047 posts)
31. Newark Star Ledger: "Liberal groups not happy about Christie special election plan"
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:48 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/06/liberal_groups_unhappy_about_c.html

iberal groups are not happy about Gov. Chris Christie’s decision to hold a special election to replace Sen. Frank Lautenberg in October rather than in November.

American Bridge 21st Century — which describes itself as a progressive research and communications organization — said in a press release that Christie threw “common sense and fiscal discipline aside.”

The group listed projects that could benefit from the estimated $12 million it will cost to hold the special general election in October, including rebuilding boardwalks and supplying food banks.

“Christie's willingness to needlessly throw away 12 million in taxpayer dollars for the sole reason of boosting his own reelection campaign tears down the myth of Christie as a bold and principled governor,” the group said in a press release. “Today's decision was not that of a leader, but one of a craven, self-interested politician.”
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
33. The sooner Cory Booker is seated, the less mischief can happen
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jun 2013

Why do people want a republican to fill the seat for a month longer than needed?

And he is going to name an interim in the next 3 or 4 days, most likely Thomas Kean 78, former repub. Gov.

imho

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
35. Because we need the Dem turnout on Nov. 5, and why waste $24M?
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jun 2013

Christie should have the election to fill the seat on Nov. 5, 2013, when there will already be an election for governor and other seats, and save the state $24M. Christie doesn't want the senate seat to be voted on at the same time as governor. Booker is running for the senate seat, is popular and will bring out Dem voters, which will hurt Christie's chances (and other Republicans on the ballot). Christie wants a landslide (65%+) on Nov. 5 to propel him into 2016. He won't get that with Booker on the ballot attracting Dems to the polls. So he wants Booker nowhere near the November ballot. That is why Christie wants the senator election this October. Plus, special elections are always low turnout, which helps Republicans, not that anyone has a chance against Booker. It is all a huge waste of money--all for Christie trying to position himself for 2016. So much for Christie being a fiscal conservative. He's just a Republican hack.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
36. Be happy he didn't attempt to hold off to Nov. 2014
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jun 2013

and then a republican would be in the office for 16 months.

the other stuff you say is true, but more important is to get the seat filled by Cory Booker, the sooner the better.
If CC was a nice guy, he would just name Cory now, but that won't happen.

Cory could keep the seat for 40 years if he wants to.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
40. He's too smart to do that. He doesn't want Booker turning the legislature blue.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 05:20 PM
Jun 2013

If Booker is on the Nov. 2014 ballot, he will bring out the Dem voters who will vote against all the Republican State legislators and Republican House seats in Congress. Plus people would be pissed off that Christie pushed off the senator election for a year and a half. Nope, his setting the special election for October is the worst of all possible scenarios for Dems looking at the big picture. And Christie knows it.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
48. No, because Booker is ALSO going to have to run for a full term in Nov. 2014.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jun 2013

New Jersey is a blue state. The legislature won't turn red regardless of this.

It is far better to seat Booker in Oct.

As Senator in Oct., Booker can get out the vote for the legislature.

This is far better, besides there may be some major votes in Oct/Nov before the 2013, that will require a democratic vote.

Remember, CC is going to name an interim for the next 4 months who will be republican.

(and remember, two days ago, there wasn't a special election anyhow, so the key is to seat Booker now.

SunSeeker

(51,664 posts)
53. I'd rather Booker be on the ballot 2 weeks later, on Nov. 5, to dampen Christie's numbers.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jun 2013

Dems seem to only flock to the polls if they like who is on the ballot. GOTV efforts just don't have the same impact. Ask Bill Clinton.

I just don't see how those 2 weeks will create any special mischief opportunity for the Republicans. What "major votes" are planned in the Senate for the last two weeks in October? Is the Senate even going to be in session?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
58. It's an off year, why wouldn't they be?
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:24 AM
Jun 2013

it's not like the senate/house has to campaign in 2013. They are not running.
Therefore they should be working.

and yes, it would be nice, however, that is what happens when people UNLIKE MYSELF didn't vote for Jon Corzine
in the last race and CC won.

a vote for a 3rd party, republican or sit at home means a vote against the democratic party.

Maybe in 2014, there won't be those pesky protest votes and with Booker in the senate for 13 months by then,
maybe it will enable all of New Jersey democratic voters to come out and vote.

Only reason CC is in office to start is that people didn't like Corzine. People gotta vote no matter their personal
dislike of someone like Corzine.
(btw, Lautenberg brings to mind that Bill Bradley was asked to run and he disappeared basically after the 2000 presidential primary when Al Gore creamed him. We could have had Bradley instead of Corzine as Governor, but he disappeared from view).(and still hasn't been heard from since).

RudynJack

(1,044 posts)
57. And do you think
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 02:19 AM
Jun 2013

he's about to give the Democrats the turnout they need? Of course not.

Seems to me like he split the baby - did right by the state (letting them choose sooner rather than later) while still protecting his own election. That's politics.

Response to onehandle (Original post)

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
56. Smart move politically
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jun 2013

Sounds like a waste of money for the state though. For those more familiar with NJ state election law, does his argument hold water that he can't have both on the same day? It seems like BS, but then again I don't have a clue.

This move basically reassures Christy (not that he was going to have trouble anyways) of winning another term - as well as keeping his "bipartisan" aura (almost a fucking halo at this point) around him. I would have figured he'd appoint a moderate republican (if one does exist) or conservative Democrat to the seat. But this is a clever move. Even on the national scale in the hyper partisan Senate, it helps the GOP more than hurting them - by basically not ensuring an otherwise likely reliable Democratic vote from the state at least until October.

Booker will still win the seat but this will depress Dem turnout in November, likely helping the GOP on down ticket races.

I still think he'd get his ass kicked by Hillary in '16, but a lesser skilled Democratic politician won't have as easy of a time. This is one very skilled politician. But then again, that's assuming he got through the crazy party's primaries.

Harmony Blue

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62. I agree with the others
Wed Jun 5, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jun 2013

that this is political maneuvering and Christie is one of the few politicians left that thinks long term when it comes to political strategy.

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