US call for full Tiananmen massacre disclosure angers China

[alp227]

Source: BBC

China has accused the US of "prejudice" after it urged Beijing to provide a full account of the crackdown on pro-democracy activists after the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989.

Foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said the US should "stop interfering in China's internal affairs".

The Chinese authorities had already reached a "clear conclusion" about the Tiananmen Square protests, he added.

Discussion of the crackdown, thought to have left hundreds dead, remains taboo.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22744242

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Consider how it takes people like Bradley Manning to tell the truth about US military operations overseas only to face prosecution. Why is the US telling other countries to tell the truth about human rights violations?

[newfie11]

1. What you added ^ I totally agree with

We need to check our own county's actions first!!!!

[Demeter]

2. It's Hypocrisy, not Prejudice

well, insofar as anyone who ISN'T part of the conspiracy is automatically suspect, I guess it could be called "prejudice". But there are stronger, uglier and more exact words that would fit better.

[tblue]

3. We have lost our moral authority

if we ever had one. Where do we get off telling other countries how to treat anybody? My gosh, we assassinated an innocent American child just because of who his dad is.

[BainsBane]

4. How about disclosing our own documents?

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on torture and the Iraq War?

[madrchsod]

5. moral authority...

we lost the last shred moral authority when bush was installed as the president of the united states of america.

[Pharaoh]

6. What Hypocrisy!

after the brutal crack down on peaceful occupy protesters 2 years ago. The gall! Do they think we don't remember?

[cstanleytech]

7. Manning isnt being prosecuted for telling the truth but

for releasing classified intel though ironically enough if I recall correctly he wouldnt have been prosecuted if he had just provided the intel to a member of congress and or to the inspector general.
As for Tiananmen Square it has been over 20 years and you would think it would be safe enough for them to reveal atleast some details but then I feel the same about some of the stuff our government still has classified from decades ago as well.

[Cha]

9. Exactly, cstanleytech. Manning's being prosecuted for leaking

secret government documents and has pleaded guilty to 10 of the charges which is 20 years in jail.

FT. MEADE, Md. – Army Pfc. Bradley Edward Manning pleaded guilty Thursday to 10 charges that he illegally acquired and transferred U.S. government secrets, agreeing to serve 20 years in prison for leaking classified material to WikiLeaks that described U.S. military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the globe.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/28/news/la-pn-bradley-manning-pleads-guilty-20130228

[treestar]

16. Manning would be long dead in a place like China

With no chance to spout how great he is for releasing state secrets, even though it hurt some operatives.

[Cha]

32. Good point, treestar. nm

[SkyDaddy7]

33. Exactly!!

There are a minority of folks here on DU who will take up sides with any & all tyrannical regimes around the world simply because they oppose the US or something the US is trying to do or rumored of doing.

Seriously, this is obvious when folks try & equate what happened to Manning to what happened at Tiananmen Square...How SAD is that?

The same exact "logic" is used by the same people when it comes to issues like Syria...They purposely forget the Syrian Civil War started not because of terrorist like Russia & the Assad regime claim but due to DECADES of torture, oppression & murder that came a head when the Assad regime caught some KIDS spray painting anti-Assad regime slogans & they tortured the kids until they died then shipped the battered, broken & bruised bodies back to the parents as a warning to everyone do not mess with the regime...This is when the Syrian people broke & became violent as they should have!!

But listen to folks here on DU that claim to be "Liberals" and they will repeat the Assad regime's BS claims this all started due to Al Qaeda & other radical Islamic groups when nothing could be further from the truth! SAD & DISGUSTING!!

Even today the radical Islamic groups in Syria make a small minority...However, the longer the war goes the more radical folks will get that is the nature of war.

Sorry for the rant.

[Cha]

34. No worries, I hear ya, SkyDaddy..

thanks for the rant.

Seriously, this is obvious when folks try & equate what happened to Manning to what happened at Tiananmen Square...How SAD is that?

Pretty damn sad.

[DeSwiss]

8. K&R

[davidpdx]

10. While I agree we have lost our morale authority since 2001

It is still important to point out human rights violations. China and Laos are both repatriating North Korea refugees that are being returned and put into gulags and most die or are killed. I think to throw up our hands and say "well we are guilty too so we can't say anything" is ridiculous.

[John2]

12. There is no

country that I know of is clean? I hope the U.S. keep outing the Chinese on human rights abuses, to show how hypocritical all of them are. They both interfere in other countries' affairs. When the Great Powers take pot shots at each other, it just exposes them more. So go ahead and keep taking shots at each other.

[davidpdx]

13. Very true

And the two countries will continue to take pot shots at each other.

[treestar]

15. And the Chinese are far, far, far worse

They don't have a first amendment at all. The people there have no rights to protest. We have protests all the time. It's just stupid, blind US hate to say there is any comparison at all.

[Ash_F]

18. Blind China hate

I bet that's what the authoritarians accuse the critics of over there.

[treestar]

20. They have an authoritarian system

If they consider that better, it is their problem. But most people think it is not a good way to live.

[Ash_F]

26. *swish* /nt

[John2]

19. I don't consider,

this U.S. hate at all, but just an opinion. I think many other Americans have the same opinion also about the idiots in Congress, and it is our privilege to do so because we are Americans, just as much as the idiots we hire. And in my opinion, some of them are more of a idiot than others in Congress. We have the privilege to evaluate them and give them the boot too.

[treestar]

21. We elect them

Everyone in Gohmert or Bachmann's districts, for example, has a choice. There are plenty of people they could send to Congress. They make their choice.

In China, there is no choice. No right to be an idiot but no right to be smart either.

[John2]

23. Spare me,

no one person or a small group of people can control power, unless thery have people supporting them. To say some groups are not trying to rig the vote or oppress it in the United States is delusional. Some of them wouldn't be there if they hadn't rig the election or stole one.

[treestar]

24. The elections are not all rigged and stolen

We have the ability to ignore the Koch brothers if we want. It is silly to be that cynical about our election system. Each of 50 states runs their own. They cannot all be corrupt.

[John2]

25. I do not think it

is that silly. That is the difference between you and I, when it comes to messing with my rights. And it is not just the Koch brothers but a systematic attempt by an entire Party, including some in the Judicial Branch. If you deny this, you have the right to your opinion and so do I.

[treestar]

29. Too much conspiracy for me

And Democracy would be impossible.

[proverbialwisdom]

11. I applaud the news. nt

[treestar]

14. Maybe they should conduct their internal affairs with greater transparency

Manning has nothing to do with this - he is getting due process as a member of the military.

Protests are allowed in this country - there is no comparison.

[John2]

22. And I don't like

monarchs either.They are just as bad as Dictators. You'll never hear me saying Hail to the Queen, because it is my privilege to do so.

[Sunlei]

17. I for one think we should offer immigration for all oppressed 'squares' and the people of Tibet and.

take all the costs from any loans we owe China. And how about returning Formosa to it's former glory and free those people China.

by the way you hacker country, you owe us for every movie, game and music CD you reverse engineered and stole from America for decades.

[kickysnana]

27. Them and the Minneapolis Police Department have the same attitude...sigh. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Same attitude, perhaps, the event in question involved deaths in the hundreds, perhaps

thousands, thousands of injuries (shootings etc) inflicted upon peaceful protesters by thousands of soldiers with automatic weapons and tanks.

[Octafish]

28. BFEE best of friends with Tiananmen Killers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3752583

[bl968]

31. China should reciprocate

And call for a full disclosure of Federal, State, and Local coordination and planning involved in the demolishing of the constitutionally protected Occupy Wall Street Protests in the United States.

[indepat]

35. We sometimes express the righteousity so indigenous of a pompous reich-wing soused

society: do as we say, not as we do, we are the absolute arbitrator of morality.