White House to Announce ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations on Contraception Rule
White House to Announce Accommodation for Religious Organizations on Contraception Rule
With the White House under fire for its new rule requiring employers including religious organizations to offer health insurance that fully covers birth control coverage, ABC News has learned that later today the White House possibly President Obama himself will likely announce an attempt to accommodate these religious groups
The move, based on state models, will almost certainly not satisfy bishops and other religious leaders since it will preserve the goal of women employees having their birth control fully covered by health insurance.
Sources say it will be respectful of religious beliefs but will not back off from that goal, which many religious leaders oppose since birth control is in violation of their religious beliefs.
One source described the attempted accommodation as Hawaii Lite a reference to that states law which allows religious groups to opt out of coverage that includes birth control, as long as employees are given information whether such coverage can be obtained.
This announcement would not go that far. Sources say it will involve health insurance companies helping to provide the coverage, since its actually cheaper for these companies to offer the coverage than to not do so, because of unwanted pregnancies and resulting complications.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/white-house-to-announce-accommodation-for-religious-organizations-on-contraception-rule/
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)Otherwise the Repubs could use it pretty effectively against Obama in the election.
jefferson_dem
(32,683 posts)Which is why it will likely not satisfy the zealots ...
You're right. This is probably not an argument the Obama campaign wants to engage.
EDIT: However, if Obama can get the Repubs on record opposing birth control (of all things) and put out the fire, it's a big win for him. It further demonstrates how neanderthalic backwards those fuckers really are.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)really goes into high gear. remember that the Jeremiah Wright controversy that had us liberals tearing our hair out was discussed in March 08. C'est tout finis by the fall...
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)You think they're gonna let this baby go? They've already move the bar by declaring that catholic EMPLOYERS shouldn't be required to provide these services. They've got a hot button issue that fires up the base. They're not gonna let go.
Might as well take the fire, and let them alienate more of the voting population. Clearly make the case that the church is being rather hypocritical on this issue because most states already are forcing Catholic institutions to comply, and they are. It's merely a federalization of what's already going on. Reasonable people won't care, the rest will never be convinced.
What's being proposed, the churches can do for themselves anyway. They can get plans from the insurance companies, and put specific "options" in that are employee paid (as the article suggest, they could be "zero cost" options too). The church gets to claim they aren't paying for them, and the employees get the coverage. As long as it is consistent with the rest of the regulations, they're golden.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)declare that it offends them, there is no reason that the solution could not work for everyone.
The key is that (health insurance given that birth control is free when wanted) costs LESS that (health insurance without birth control).
karynnj
(59,504 posts)ALL women, even if they work DIRECTLY for the church can now get free contraceptives. This really is a win for everybody - including the insurance companies. This even helps the budget as, when added to the federal plan, it caused overall costs to go down as much as 10% If that holds true - or even close - for the public at large, other than the gain for women, this may be the BIGGEST thing done to really have the Affordable Care Act start to bend the cost curve.
Covering contraception saves money for insurance companies by keeping women healthy and preventing spending on other health services. For example, there was no increase in premiums when contraception was added to the Federal Employees Health Benefit System and required of non-religious employers in Hawaii. One study found that covering contraception lowered premiums by 10 percent or more.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/02/10/us/politics/10reuters-usa-contraceptives-factsheet.html?_r=1&ref=reuters
Oops, edited to say that I was wrong in saying that this helps everyone. It doesn't - Rick Santorum may well feel like crying - as this could have been his big issue. This may have cinched Obama's nomination - that looked pretty likely already.
It will mean that millions more families will benefit from something in what Obama may really like to be called Obamacare!
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Offer medicaid to all as an option to churchy-care.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Never get that past the insurance lobby though.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I think the vast majority of Americans would agree with the solution aspect of this as well. If these "Organizations" refuse to offer services based on their beliefs, we should have an affordable way to receive these options. Medicare for all with contraception coverage.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Didn't you see what happened last time Medicare for All was discussed?
It wasn't discussed.
Shirley you know you are flogging a dead horse...
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)goodness gracious, I wonder why not...
MaineDem
(18,161 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)- and he said that before the 2010 election. Dodd was likely one - so there may be only 9.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Personally, I agree. I hope this leads many women (and not a few men) to abandon the churches that have forsaken them.
Lasher
(27,597 posts)With as many people anyway.
Response to The Doctor. (Reply #4)
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The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)What the fuck are you talking about now?
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)This is like an out of control fire. The GOP has 2,000 pages of this mess to cherry pick. On top of the 2,000 pages is probably 10,000 more of regulations that must be done before the election. The GOP will take Obamacare to the bank. If it is not scrapped 2012 will be a replay of 2010. Obama is playing defense. Prevent defense. Obamacare will lose the Senate too.
jefferson_dem
(32,683 posts)CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)to protect their right to birth control -- especially Catholic women who remember the misery of their mothers and grandmothers who were condemned to a life of one pregnancy after the other.
In my family, all the women are reminded of the life of our great-grandmother who was pregnant umpteen times, miscarrying more than half of her babies and suffering her life-long. We women view birth control as a life-saving, sacred right.
Men would not understand how important it is for a woman to be able to carry healthy babies in a healthy womb. Having a healthy baby is a miracle, the greatest joy. But when women are sentenced to pregnancy after pregnancy without a chance to regain their health between babies, it is just pain. Not all women are born with the physical or mental capacity to raise large families.
I expect women to organize around this issue with far more energy than the Catholic bishops.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Sooner or later they will come after you with forced birth control. For example in order to get benefits you have to have an implant. Already they are going after drug testing to get benefits. The next question will be this. Why should poor people getting free benefits be allowed to have more babies when birth control is so easy. Women should not be sentanced to having more and more babies when they are on welfare. When you go in for your drug test you can have an implant. Then when you get off the free benefits you can have it taken out. This is a big mess. Be careful what you ask for. Like in China they can only have one child so they abort all the females they can. A real slippery slope.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)How did we get from "offering no-deductible birth control" to China?
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)What if Gingritch was President and Sarah Palin the head of HHS? You are one election away from it. Power can run both ways. Granted rights can be changed by a simple regulation. You are one election away from it. 30 years ago I would not imagine having to Pee in a bottle to go to work. Is it such a stretch to think a case could not be made to get an implant in order to receive benefits? If the wrong people get elected.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)What the hell are you talking about?
How do you infer from a positive right to birth control to a negative requirement of forced birth control? I really don't understand where you are getting that argument from. It sounds absolutely absurd and irrational.
Additionally analogizing this to the required drug test is not logical. The Drug test was primarily a republican program (with some conservadems signing on) and was not preceded by a positive right to getting a drug test.
Honestly this sounds like an argument I have heard from pro-lifers before.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)wondering what is going on here today...hmm
I would love single payer universal. But that isn't what is being discussed and that isn't what this thread is about. And I have no idea what the poster is kicking about. None of this makes any sense.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)I think that health care in this day and age should be a positive right. Birth Control. I do not think is Health Care. Birth Control is some cultures is just what it says. Birth Control. Key word. Control. In China Birth Control is neither a positive or a negative right. In short I think that it is constitutional for the government to provide Medicare for everyone, via a tax. I also think the care should be limited to accident and illness, not elective procedures or drugs. So a condition like Ecoptic Pregnancy should be covered. Birth Control Pills should not be a positive right in insurance. Now that is just my opinion. I know that others see it differently.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Birth control is agency over ones OWN health. Chinese analogies are absurd. Using China in any discussion of reproductive freedom should be covered in a subset of Godwin's law.
I have no idea why someone would think birth control shouldn't be covered by insurance. A law requiring that coverage is a good idea. Government does have a place in regulating this and I think assuring access to birth control is a good thing.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Damn, I can't come up with anything that fits your definition of Health Care.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)All that stuff fits. That is what Medicare was. X-Rays all that. Everything you need. Not though what they call elective. Not medically needed. It paid 80% if you are not in the hospital and 100% if you are. Plus you can go to any Doc you want anytime. A birth control pill is an elective and not covered. But a C-section would be. Or a complication of a pregnancy. But not a normal birth. But Medicare did not cover drugs unless you are in the hospital or for cancer. But right now I do not have any coverage at all. I wish I did.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)To quote you "Key word. Control." Blood pressure control is a much control as contraception is. So is diabetes control. " Key word. Control."
Since controlled hypertension is not an illness, it wouldn't be covered. Or controlled diabetes. Or controlled non-pregnancy. So no coverage of any of those things until they got ill? You seem to be saying that some health conditions, like hypertension, would be covered but not others, like pregnancy. Prevent hypertension but not prevent pregnancy.
Secondly:
Only c-sect or pg complications are covered but not a "normal birth"? Anyone giving birth "normally" would be stuck with the huge hospital bill but if they got t a c-sect they wouldn't. Can you see any problems with that?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)You think the right to birth control is the slippery slope to forced birth control? That really is a truly idiotic post.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Check it. It is not impossible that people of his opinion could be in charge.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Ad Hominem attacks? Prove the weakness of your post.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)I've said nothing about you at all. Your post that claims a right to birth control is a 'slippery slope' to force birth control is ridiculous, and others have said too. There are plenty of countries, such as several European ones, and states in the USA for that matter, where birth control is already part of all healthcare, without copayment. They do not have forced birth control.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)But the slippery slope argument is not always false. I argue for Medicare for all as a Positive Right. But I would exclude Birth Control and limit it to Accidents and Illnesses. Due to financial considerations. Just my opinion.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Calling it welfare, fine. That's what the social safety net is about. Calling it free benefits implies something else. Care to share what you meant?
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Assumes there's no cost to complying with the paperwork and regulations associated with said benefits.
Seems to assume that recipients do not deserve benefits, but I'll let you clarify that.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)All social welfare programs should be abolished in favor of a cash dole to every citizen. A small amount. Enough to survive on, no frills.. That would give citizens a starting point and security. What they do from there would be up to them. Medicare for all should be the law of the land. A progressive income tax with no loopholes or deductions should be instituted with a cap at 50%. K-Street should be demolished. The crooks on Wall Street and Washington should be hauled in to court and prosecuted. Just the way I see it. What is going on now is just a lot of noise. No hope. No change.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Who had the despicable idea of drug testing people before they got the unemployment benefits they had earned.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Occulus
(20,599 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)Methinks someone needs to check their mask.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)Seriously, you sound like Rick Santorum and his ranting about how Obama is bringing back the Crusades and beheadings.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Not with the Patriot Act to stop it. Not with the Defense Authorization Act to protect us.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Yeah, there's gonna be no reasoning with you.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Look up the definition of control.
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)I have no clue why they are doing this.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Never realizing that 2,000 pages is just one volume among several in the organizational and policy rules of most insurance companies. Because those guys have a list of things that aren't covered and that they don't want you to delve into longer than a ladder to the moon. Even insurance salesmen never see the entire encylopedic volumes of their tomes on financial regulations about disclosures, litigation, regulations, and their healthcare coverage and what is included and not included; their list of complications from included healthcare that they won't cover, conditions of reimbursement (usually none), co-pays, etc. I read an article about this, I'm not sure if it was in Salon, but it was an eye-opener. This nation would be much better off and happier with a public option like Medicare for all and, like in every country in the world that has nationalized health insurance (that would be about everyone but us) our costs would nosedive and we wouldn't have over 40,000 people a year dying due to lack of access to health services.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)I am an advocate for Medicare for every citizen. The original Medicare from the 60's. The Democratic Party made a huge mistake with the Affordable Care Act. It will be the death of 2,000 cuts this Summer. One cut for every page. They do not realize what they are in for. The DNC took total responsibility for the Health Insurance System. The GOP is not going to repeal Obamacare they are going to ride it in to another rout like 2010. It is a cakewalk.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)I think you missed two things that happened today.
One this policy is fixed and all women will get free birth control. This will add a huge number of families to the list of those that have already benefited from Obamacare. (Yes, I think we Democrats need to steal that and make it describe the incredible achievement it is.)
They will be added to seniors, who now see it did not destroy Medicare - and that it was the Repuublicans who scared them. They will see it closed a lot of the donut - where they had to pay thousands for their medicines.
Not to mention, it helped a huge number of us by adding our kids onto our policies until they reached 26 years old. I know that saved me thousands of dollars for my two oldest daughters' healthcare as they finish their masters. Think of how many families with health insurance were able to add their young adult kids - and how many know that they don't have to worry as their kids complete college.
The list could go on. 2012 will not be 2010. More people will have seen enough to see they are benefiting.
Not to mention, there was the bit of really good information in the NYT - when the federal government added free coverage, their total costs later declined - a study estimated a savings of 10%.
The only ones who will be unhappy are the Republicans - likely led by Santorum. Gee, Romney may flip again and ask for credit on Obamacare.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)insurers are required to spend 85% of large-group and 80% of small-group and individual plan premiums (with certain adjustments) on healthcare or to improve healthcare quality.
This is CUT their overhead that has been higher. The 15 or 20% they are allowed covers their administration, their advertising, etc and their profits. This is actually a measur that is LOWERING their costs.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Insurance? Phooey. It is not insurance. Health is no longer insurable. it is a money laundering plan. I do not buy it. Same with the drug companies.
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)these fundie Repugs have been trying to blur for years now.
IF a religious organization is going to take federal funds for work they are doing they should have to follow the rules that everyone else needs to for that funding.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Next up. Federal funding? Exchanges. Insurance company favors. Drug company favors. Too easy to attack. This is going to be a can of worms. Obamacare is not defendable. I thought at the start this would not work and the GOP is going to scorch the Earth with it.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)But suggesting that this will be a campaign issue is absurd. No one is going to go along with a Republican campaign based soley around getting rid of Obamacare save the teahaddists. This is going nowhere.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Try to get rid of it. They will pick it apart page by page and Reg. by Reg....But they won't have to come up with an alternative. But I could be wrong. That is just what I think. I think they love it. It takes away the Democratic issue. And you are right about the so called Tea Party. There really is not a Tea Party. It was all about Obamacare.
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)It is an investment in their citizens and future of their countries. BUT not ass backward U.S.A.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Why would the Churches, the RW and the GOP ever compromise. We NEED to understand their goal is to criminalize all family planning and make it a misdemeanor or felony to even possess, distribute or use any contraceptive method anywhere in the country. We are facing "personhood" amendments in 13 states and in Colorado for the 3rd time. All contraceptive methods are murder AND ARE TOTALLY FORBIDDEN FOREVER. That is what the Catholic Church teaches and DEMANDS.
The only method you are allowed is ABSTINENCE. Put a rubber band around it or a cork in it. It is that absurd.
If you let the churches, the RW and the GOP dictate public policy using birth control will be criminal and Americans will go to jail. It is only a matter of time.
Before 1900 using birth control was a criminal activity in many states. So was adultery, fornication and cohabitation. You could be busted for having a condom of that era. I can see it now. A GOP bill would be called "The Contraception Prohibition Act Of 2013" if the GOP were to really get control. The law would be written by the Catholic Church.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)The old have you beaten your wife lately trick. This is bad medicine. I can see it coming. They will make the whole election about Obamacare. There is something in there for everyone to hate. What will be the flavor of the week once this fire is put out? The Democratic Party gave away the Health Care Issue. What a mistake. These regulations have to be done this year. Every one will be attacked.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)opposition to "Griswold v. Connecticut". They want birth control made illegal in all forms.
I do not support any church (AND their "charities" who engage in such reactionary behavior.
DaveJ
(5,023 posts)Ya right. Since it can't be proven whether this information was given, I'm sure all the high level admins will certainly NOT inform women of alternatives.
That said, Christians are supposed to believe in free will, last I checked.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)These RW forces believe that it should be illegal to even give information. They simply want to dictate their beliefs with NO compromise.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)I don't know if it will work or not, but since it is cheaper for the insurance companies if women don't get pregnant, it might work.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)These conservative institutions have supported even gag orders where even private institutions and businesses cannot discuss abortion or reproduction methods. The clergy are now saying that any business run by a religiously affiliated person be exempt.
The want to end and prohibit ALL birth control or family planning and even make it a criminal offense.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)The women still have to pay for the coverage on their own.
Kber
(5,043 posts)instead of the religious institutions.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)So no moral culpability.
Obama might also add a somewhat firmer opt-out provision for Catholic hospitals, overall? But also an opt-in provision. For all those non-Catholic employees of hospitals, that want reproductive services.
The way similar things, reproductive services, are handled in Catholic hospitals today, is that one floor or ward was re-assigned, as independent of Catholic control and responsibility: the family planning/reproductive services floor.
jefferson_dem
(32,683 posts)AP Source: Obama to announce accommodation for religious groups on birth control rule
By Associated Press, Updated: Friday, February 10, 8:57 AM
WASHINGTON President Barack Obama will announce a plan to accommodate religious employers outraged by a rule that would require them to cover birth control for women free of charge, according to a person familiar with the decision.
Obama was expected to make the announcement at the White House Friday.
The shift is aimed at containing the political firestorm that erupted after Obama announced in January that religious-affiliated employers had to cover birth control as preventative care for women. Churches and houses of worship were exempt, but all other affiliated organizations were ordered to comply by Aug. 2013.
Republican leaders and religious groups, especially Roman Catholics, responded with intense outrage, saying the requirement would force them to violate church teachings and long-held beliefs against contraception.
The issue also pushed social issues to the forefront in an election year that had been dominated by the economy. Abortion, contraception and any of the requirements of Obamas health care overhaul law have the potential to galvanize the Republicans conservative base, critical to voter turnout in the presidential and congressional races.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ap-source-obama-to-announce-accommodation-for-religious-groups-on-birth-control-rule/2012/02/10/gIQAnxht3Q_print.html
midnight
(26,624 posts)will not have their birth control covered... I wonder will the men that work at Catholic hospitals have their viagra covered?
jefferson_dem
(32,683 posts)Try again for the "last straw."
annabanana
(52,791 posts)of coverage for heart valve replacements that use porcine valves.
We are having the WRONG argument.
KatyMan
(4,198 posts)To me the argument is (and I've posted on this in previous threads) is that we can't allow a religious organization to pick and choose the laws it wants to follow.
SacoMaine61
(114 posts)They've totally disregarded the majority of citizens who support this requirement. And - it is hysterical that they are against a provision that would help people prevent unwanted pregnancy. What are their priorities? They haven't a clue, except that they are pro anything that that keeps women barefoot and in the kitchen.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)No sale, Mr. President.
jefferson_dem
(32,683 posts)emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)jefferson_dem
(32,683 posts)dennis4868
(9,774 posts)than what was previously announced. Woman still get birth control coverage as an employee of a catholic organization.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)A good compromise
dennis4868
(9,774 posts)As long as all women have access to it, is all that matters to me. Obama has done that. The end!
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Maybe women who cannot afford to get the extra coverage on their own might fucking care. I have insurance through an employer and, guess what? if I need BC and it was not covered automatically through my plan I would not be able to afford to be able to get the needed additional coverage. Nor would I be able to afford BC on my own.
Fuck that shit. This is just a "compromise" that screws over lower income women.
Kber
(5,043 posts)so no one should be paying for extra coverage or for birth control.
dennis4868
(9,774 posts)and the ruling that is about to come from Obama....nothing screws lower income people. Just like everything else with Obama, first learn the facts then curse me out...but first make sure you know all the facts. Been a problem with many on the left these past 3 years.
Occulus
(20,599 posts)"make sure you know all the facts"
Good GOD we need to teach civics better....
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Are you a man? I can't imagine a woman saying "who cares".
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)then does it matter who pays for it? Church gets to maintain its bullshit Holier Than Thou facade, women employees still get free contraception.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Remember Plan B?
As for Valerie Jarrett, the woman gives me the creeps. She seems to have a hand in everything.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)They just did it in a way that makes Republicans and the Catholic Church look more whiny and incompetent.
dennis4868
(9,774 posts)and if that person read my post I did say who cares but then I said all that matters is that woman get free BC coverage....this place is crazy!
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Noooo, say it ain't so!!!!!!!!
Hawaiian Lite, is that in reference to the state law or the president?
jefferson_dem
(32,683 posts)Nobody's "caving." Please pay attention.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)They are being "accomodating".
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)They have taken the wind out of their sails with a 'Plan B' option that was rolled out with the support of the ACLU, PP, and NARAL. An option that was undoubtedly in the works while the CC establishment blew themselves out on 'Plan A.'
tblue
(16,350 posts)I hate to say it, but you're right, Beacool. Whenever he's at a crossroads and I think, "Surely this time he'll stand for what's principled and right and show some character." And then the inevitable cave.
It's the nature of the animal, he's a politician. They'll say and do whatever is necessary to get elected and then reelected. At this point, most of them make me sick.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)in the interest of Obama-bashing.
I guess it fits your MO.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)fifthoffive
(382 posts)is promoting the rights of an organization (Catholic Church) over the rights of the individual. Seems a lot like "Corporations are people, my friends!" argument put forth by the right.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)the attack on contraceptives wouldn't be a big deal in the US.
Their membership gives them the power to attack women, children, the GBLT community.
Green_Lantern
(2,423 posts)You'd still have vocal social conservatives pushing policy. Church attendance doesn't matter as long as they vote against those policies.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)The reason Wiccans and Shintos have such little press time, and therefore influence, in the US, is they have really small memberships in the US.
Green_Lantern
(2,423 posts)And alot of the sensible Catholics will stay because they like their priest or don't have the time to look into other churches.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Such as hospitals are market driven, which means the competition for qualified staff, needs to meet prevailing benefits or face hurdles in filling those positions. My guess is that many Catholic hospitals will offer this coverage quietly so as not to get left behind in the marketplace. To do otherwise could leave them facing a severe shortage of nurses. With an aging population this condition will only intensify.
Kber
(5,043 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)pharmacists can refuse to dispense based on religious beliefs .... now organizations can refuse to offer coverage based on religious beliefs ... pretty soon insurance companies will come up with some loophole that allows THEM to claim religious beliefs as a reason for not including birth control too.
But Viagra? Sure, have some more!!
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)nbolick
(16 posts)I think this is a perfectly reasonable move for Obama. The problem is though that regardless of what he says or does he will be opposed.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Contraception is a matter for individuals, not their bosses. The mere fact that some of those bosses have religious ax to grind is all the more reason to protect individuals from overbearing employers.
If Obama loses, it will be because of spineless shit like this. Most American Catholics agree with the original decision. Only the sanctimonious weirdos in funny hats and their political allies oppose it. Compromising with that extremist crowd means contraception and freedom of religion (for employees) loses, but loses less fast than giving the RC Church what it wants.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I mean, can you describe in some detail how the "accommodation", relative to the initial position, is so terrible?
Based on what you wrote ... one might assume that the DELTA between the "accommodation" and the "original position" is very large.
Can you explain the difference and the size of the gap?
Green_Lantern
(2,423 posts)With this change employers won't be overriding women getting contraception...insurance will cover it.
This is universal coverage for contraception. Progressives need to be happy.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)I posted this yesterday. (Not right now.)
Arkana
(24,347 posts)The onus is just on insurance companies rather than on the Catholic organizations.
Jeez, if you people even bothered to read the actual compromise rather than rush to judgment you might learn something.
high density
(13,397 posts)Obama essentially has blown them off, though the media gets to do their "Obama Caved" dance at the same time. Now the media can find another issue to play their offended by proxy game with and the women working for these organizations gain coverage.
I'm just glad the media helped us all so much on this issue by acting as a megaphone for two core groups of our society: old men running the Catholic church and that 2% of sexually active Catholic women who don't use birth control.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)who woulda guessed it?
Swede
(33,257 posts)He's like 100 moves ahead of them.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/12/andrew-sullivan-how-obama-set-a-contraception-trap-for-the-right.html
Great Caesars Ghost
(532 posts)They either do it or face losing tax exemption. My opinion.