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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:02 PM May 2013

Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of a massive tornado

Source: TPM

Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of a massive tornado that blasted through Oklahoma City suburbs on Monday with cuts elsewhere in the budget.

"That's always been his position [to offset disaster aid]," a spokesman told the Huffington Post Monday night. "He supported offsets to the bill funding the OKC bombing recovery effort."

Coburn, who intends to retire in 2016, joined his fellow Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe (R) last year in supporting an amendment that would have substantially cut a package of $60 billion dollars intended for reconstruction of the East Coast in the wake of Superstorm Sandy. The measure eventually passed in two parts with most of the Senate Republican caucus in opposition, but not before New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and New York GOP Reps. Peter King and Michael Grimm offered scathing critiques that their party was abandoning stranded people in the wake of the storm.

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Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of a massive tornado (Original Post) DonViejo May 2013 OP
Oh, so he thinks he is gonna starve Granny so that he can kestrel91316 May 2013 #1
Exactly. SoapBox May 2013 #23
how is it that they don't ever get their asses shellacked themselves? roguevalley May 2013 #31
Because way to many people in Oklahoma avebury May 2013 #42
Sometimes they do AndyA May 2013 #45
The asshattery never ends BeyondGeography May 2013 #2
re:Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of a massive torna allan01 May 2013 #3
+1 Cha May 2013 #16
Maybe Coburn could give up his Healthcare to help out with costs!!! SoapBox May 2013 #24
Fine. Grins May 2013 #38
Someone somewhere is suffering? abelenkpe May 2013 #4
It is always about the money with these gopers. hrmjustin May 2013 #5
yup Skittles May 2013 #6
They are bought and paid for. hrmjustin May 2013 #7
AND Skittles May 2013 #9
That is what really infuriates me. hrmjustin May 2013 #13
Of course, I mean, think of the enormous tragedy of adding anything to defecit. Liberal Veteran May 2013 #8
This is just plain stupid Bjorn Against May 2013 #10
Please let it backfire! It is stupid.. has he ever been accused of being Cha May 2013 #18
That blows harder than an Oklahoma tornado. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #22
Which group of people is he going to SCREW is the question? Offsets, my ass. freshwest May 2013 #11
Additional aritcle below Tx4obama May 2013 #12
Instead of talking about offsets, John2 May 2013 #39
But if they go back to Oklahoma they might have to face actual victims! Dustlawyer May 2013 #48
I have an idea! SCVDem May 2013 #14
Hmmm...compelling and original... KansDem May 2013 #37
Only if we actually hire people to collect it. aquart May 2013 #54
If it had flattened his house he would have asked the Government for aid Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #15
Billionaires Paying Fair Share of Taxes. there.. I've fixed it for you, Cha May 2013 #17
I assume he wants to cut it out of quakerboy May 2013 #19
OK, let's start by "offsetting" his salary and retirement benefits package against it. n/t TygrBright May 2013 #20
Coburn with a double dumbass whammy today. go west young man May 2013 #21
How About A Carbon Tax Instead DallasNE May 2013 #25
I had a feeling Politicalboi May 2013 #26
Yes, because his fucking principles are more important KatyaR May 2013 #27
Then let him propose to offset it from other funds directed towards OK grantcart May 2013 #28
Reminds of the guy who holds his own kids hostage. SunSeeker May 2013 #29
Hey, you people in Oklahoma, you got the man you wanted to represent you. Happy? YOHABLO May 2013 #30
Exactly! If you vote for someone like this that means you believe and support the things he does. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #40
Being from Texas I know a thing or two about being a Progressive trapped in a Red state. Dustlawyer May 2013 #49
Of course I'm not seriously suggesting we don't help the people of Oaklahoma. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #55
Good Idea! Cut oil subsidies, corporate tax loopholes Gitmo.... n/t radhika May 2013 #32
... and whatever subsidies Keystone XL would have gotten ... Myrina May 2013 #51
Hoist Both Of Those Fuckluggs 1ProudAtheist May 2013 #33
Hey Tom, adieu May 2013 #34
HEY MFM008 May 2013 #35
Give them the same bs reasons they gave Sandy victims. jessie04 May 2013 #36
This is a perfect opportunity for Democrats to tack on aid for all the people that the GOP has ... Ganja Ninja May 2013 #41
Damn Solly Mack May 2013 #43
Sorry Oaklahoma ... Wernothelpless May 2013 #44
why should anyone else suffer 1Greensix May 2013 #46
WTF Skittles May 2013 #63
Goddamnit, Coburn is a cold-hearted bastard. Arkana May 2013 #47
He and his Nutbag pals can all donate their salaries ... Myrina May 2013 #50
Let's take it all out of the DOD's budget! sinkingfeeling May 2013 #52
At least the good news is, Coburn is retiring. We can win the seat in 2016. graham4anything May 2013 #53
We cannot and will not win a US Senate election in OK in 2016, not even with Hilary atop the ticket LonePirate May 2013 #60
Don't negotiate with hostage takers. geek tragedy May 2013 #56
Offset by canceling prime healthcare packages GOP lawmakers have but withhold from other citizens blm May 2013 #57
karma is a bitch rdking647 May 2013 #58
Take it out of the defense budget if he insists KinMd May 2013 #59
Really people? Come on we can be better than this so lets support Sen. Tom Coburn and cut spending cstanleytech May 2013 #61
Take any and all pork he has put in for oklahoma out of budget and for himself 2Design May 2013 #62
Not surprising. Guys like that are obsessed with their agenda. LuckyTheDog May 2013 #64
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
1. Oh, so he thinks he is gonna starve Granny so that he can
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:04 PM
May 2013

take care of his OWN folks.

Maybe he should specifically request cuts in OK pork. I could get on board with that.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
42. Because way to many people in Oklahoma
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:43 AM
May 2013

think the same way. They are anti-Federal government and Obama and pro states rights. The state legislature is a total hack to the ultra conservatives. The Republicans have grabbed so much control that the Democrats can't do squat anymore.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
45. Sometimes they do
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:26 AM
May 2013

John Sullivan lost his seat in the primary, and he was as bad as the rest of the Republicans in Oklahoma. Unfortunately, his replacement isn't any better. Coburn says he isn't running again, so hopefully we can get some progressive people in office in 2016.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
3. re:Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn will seek to offset federal aid to victims of a massive torna
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:06 PM
May 2013

like cut his own salary to minimum wage ?

Grins

(7,221 posts)
38. Fine.
Tue May 21, 2013, 06:39 AM
May 2013

As long as those cuts are specifically aimed at the state beneficiaries of that aid.

For every dollar Oklahoma citizens pay in federal taxes, they get $1.36 back. Take it out of there. The feds give the state of Oklahoma $600 million a year for education purposes, so start there. Then move Tinker Air Force Base's logistics center to New Jersey (for every dollar in federal taxes they get back $.61), and it's air wing to California (for every dollar in federal taxes they get back $.78).

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
4. Someone somewhere is suffering?
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:07 PM
May 2013

Republicans will help only if they can be sure others will be made to suffer as well.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
8. Of course, I mean, think of the enormous tragedy of adding anything to defecit.
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:11 PM
May 2013

That's the most important thing to worry about in the first few hours of an emergency. That and party purity.

Either that, or he is trying (badly) to get ahead of some scrutiny on his past about emergency relief.

Or both.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
10. This is just plain stupid
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:13 PM
May 2013

He is going to play politics with aid to the people of his own state. I just hope that any backfire from this stupidity only harms Coburn and does not keep any aid away from the people who need it.

Cha

(297,445 posts)
18. Please let it backfire! It is stupid.. has he ever been accused of being
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:40 PM
May 2013

smart in any real sense?

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
12. Additional aritcle below
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:15 PM
May 2013


Oklahoma Senators Jim Inhofe, Tom Coburn, Face Difficult Options On Disaster Relief

WASHINGTON -- As frantic rescue missions continued Monday in Oklahoma following the catastrophic tornadoes that ripped through the state, it appeared increasingly likely that residents who lost homes and businesses would turn to the federal government for emergency disaster aid. That could put the state's two Republican senators in an awkward position.

Sens. Jim Inhofe and Tom Coburn, both Republicans, are fiscal hawks who have repeatedly voted against funding disaster aid for other parts of the country. They also have opposed increased funding for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which administers federal disaster relief.

Late last year, Inhofe and Coburn both backed a plan to slash disaster relief to victims of Hurricane Sandy. In a December press release, Coburn complained that the Sandy Relief bill contained "wasteful spending," and identified a series of items he objected to, including "$12.9 billion for future disaster mitigation activities and studies."

Coburn spokesman John Hart on Monday evening confirmed that the senator will seek to ensure that any additional funding for tornado disaster relief in Oklahoma be offset by cuts to federal spending elsewhere in the budget. "That's always been his position ," Hart said. "He supported offsets to the bill funding the OKC bombing recovery effort." Those offsets were achieved in 1995 by tapping federal funds that had not yet been appropriated.

In 2011, both senators opposed legislation that would have granted necessary funding for FEMA when the agency was set to run out of money. Sending the funds to FEMA would have been "unconscionable," Coburn said at the time.

-snip-

Full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/oklahoma-senators-disaster-relief_n_3309234.html
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
39. Instead of talking about offsets,
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:15 AM
May 2013

I think both of these senators need to do their jobs as U.S. senators from the state of Oklahoma. They need to go back home and see what assistance they can get to their citizens through Congress, instead of being concerned about paying for it. That is what the Aid is for. You don't need offsets if you stop trying to cut funding for it. You do not cut AID for other people that need it also, like Head Start and food assistance. If you can't do anything productive, You don't need to be in the Senate period! That is my position!

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
19. I assume he wants to cut it out of
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:49 PM
May 2013

Government money for churches?
Or maybe the bloated defense budget?
Perhaps out of subsides to big agro or oil companies?
Maybe ending a tax loophole or two that only ever apply to the rich?

No?

Huh.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
21. Coburn with a double dumbass whammy today.
Mon May 20, 2013, 11:50 PM
May 2013

What with this and the forged Benghazi emails. Hopefully he and Issa get a dose of bad karma right soon.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
25. How About A Carbon Tax Instead
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:03 AM
May 2013

To help fund recovery/rebuilding of areas devastated by natural disasters such as the Moore, OK experienced today. With sequester cuts already in place where does one fine these offsets?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
26. I had a feeling
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:13 AM
May 2013

For once, they don't want to look like hypocrites, at the expense of people getting somewhat of a life back. Typical. I knew it, I was sort of joking earlier that they would vote No for relief. Who would have thought.

KatyaR

(3,445 posts)
27. Yes, because his fucking principles are more important
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:16 AM
May 2013

than helping his fellow Oklahomans.

I hope this comes back and bites him in the ass.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
28. Then let him propose to offset it from other funds directed towards OK
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:17 AM
May 2013

I am sure that OK is already a major recipient of federal funds in ratio to revenue.

How would that be Tom?

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
29. Reminds of the guy who holds his own kids hostage.
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:43 AM
May 2013

The fact that he is doing this to his own constituents shows how craven he is, not they it was any less craven when he did it to Sandy victims. And he knows that Dems will yield and let the Reps make further cuts to some poverty programs. He knows Dems can't stomach letting people devastated by a storm go unhelped---because they are not soulless tools like Republicans.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
40. Exactly! If you vote for someone like this that means you believe and support the things he does.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:18 AM
May 2013

And you deserve to live by them.

Sorry Oklahoma, maybe next election.

Dustlawyer

(10,496 posts)
49. Being from Texas I know a thing or two about being a Progressive trapped in a Red state.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:09 AM
May 2013

Why should they (the liberals) be punished because too many in their state are brainwashed? Other than Howard Dean's 50 state strategy which helped Democrats in Southern Red States advance their agenda, we have been ignored down here and written off. No need to fight down there it hopeless! Bullshit! Those people need help! Show them how important help is by giving it. Educate them on why these programs are necessary. Make this an opportunity to win back some of the brainwashed instead of turning your back on them. Show them their politicians are with the insurance companies who are going to screw those folks in the coming months and years. This would be a great time to organize and get volunteers, first to help the victims, and later to help real Progressives get elected!

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
55. Of course I'm not seriously suggesting we don't help the people of Oaklahoma.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:21 AM
May 2013

But I think we need to confront the hypocrisy by forcing the issue to be debated and pointing out what their own representatives would have for others facing disaster in other parts of the country. And at the very least the budgets offsets Tom Coburn is calling for all come from corporate welfare and tax breaks for the rich.

 

1ProudAtheist

(346 posts)
33. Hoist Both Of Those Fuckluggs
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:31 AM
May 2013

In front of the entire United States Senate and shame them mercilessly over their "NO" votes for the victims of Sandy. The people of Oklahoma deserve all of the federal aid that they can get, and they certainly deserve better representation in Washington the the azzclowns that they voted into those positions. Good Ole' KARMA....she is one horrific b*tch when you go a messing with her.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
34. Hey Tom,
Tue May 21, 2013, 02:33 AM
May 2013

if you're going to ask for an offset to pay for the damages in OK, then I think we'd just better agree that you guys in OK don't get anything, all right?

It's one thing to be a bit selfish and ask for money when you denied it to NJ and other places. It's another when you ask for the money and ask others to self-deny themselves of that money so that it would go to your state. So, eff-you.

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
36. Give them the same bs reasons they gave Sandy victims.
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:24 AM
May 2013

' well, there's a lot of waste and we can't afford it......sorry'

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
41. This is a perfect opportunity for Democrats to tack on aid for all the people that the GOP has ...
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:26 AM
May 2013

screwed over and to insist on tax increases and cuts to corporate subsidies.

Wernothelpless

(410 posts)
44. Sorry Oaklahoma ...
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:59 AM
May 2013

Budget cuts ... y'all better git on out there on the end of a shovel and take care of each other yerselves ... the guverment is too busy trying to repeal Obama care ... you're on your own ...

good luck! ...

1Greensix

(111 posts)
46. why should anyone else suffer
Tue May 21, 2013, 08:42 AM
May 2013

Why on Earth should anyone else besides those in Oklahoma suffer just because people there got hit by a tornado? Why should children's lunch programs all suffer because Oklahomans live in Tornado Alley? Most schools in Oklahoma do NOT have storm shelters. Why not? So Coburn wants the rest of America to help people too stupid or cheap to build houses and schools with proper storm shelters? If I were a senator from NJ, I would tell him to go screw himself if he thinks he was going to get my vote for disaster relief. Children died because parents were cheapskates.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
50. He and his Nutbag pals can all donate their salaries ...
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:16 AM
May 2013

... and any campaign/PAC contributions & offshore bank accounts to the folks in Oklahoma.

And then those folks in OK better remember - and un elect his ass - next election cycle.

LonePirate

(13,427 posts)
60. We cannot and will not win a US Senate election in OK in 2016, not even with Hilary atop the ticket
Tue May 21, 2013, 10:09 AM
May 2013

Oklahoma is as about as red as they come. Dems have no chance in statewide elections there.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
56. Don't negotiate with hostage takers.
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:25 AM
May 2013

If they refuse to accept aid funds without offsets, the people of Oklahoma will just have to go Galt.

blm

(113,078 posts)
57. Offset by canceling prime healthcare packages GOP lawmakers have but withhold from other citizens
Tue May 21, 2013, 09:29 AM
May 2013

And cut your salaries like you demanded from working class and working poor the last 10 years.

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
61. Really people? Come on we can be better than this so lets support Sen. Tom Coburn and cut spending
Tue May 21, 2013, 01:51 PM
May 2013

to pay for the aid.
I know, what if we make all the cuts from the military? We already spend 3x more than what China, Russia, Germany, Japan, Italy, Great Britain and France combined together spend on theirs so surely the US military should have an easy time dealing with a tiny bit less money.

Edit: In fact I wonder what the savings for closing some military bases like Tinker Air Force Base might be

2Design

(9,099 posts)
62. Take any and all pork he has put in for oklahoma out of budget and for himself
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:21 PM
May 2013

and give it to the people

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