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eppur_se_muova

(36,266 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 02:31 PM Feb 2012

White House: 10 States Get Education Waiver (AP/NPR) {NCLB in death spiral?}

by The Associated Press

President Obama on Thursday will free 10 states from the strict and sweeping requirements of the No Child Left Behind education law in exchange for promises to improve the way schools teach and evaluate students.

The move is a tacit acknowledgement that the law's main goal, getting all students up to par in reading and math by 2014, is not within reach.

The first 10 states to receive the waivers are Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Tennessee, the White House said. The only state that applied for the flexibility and did not get it, New Mexico, is working with the administration to get approval.

Obama said he was acting because Congress had failed to update the law despite widespread agreement it needs to be fixed.

"If we're serious about helping our children reach their potential, the best ideas aren't going to come from Washington alone," Obama said in a statement, released before the official announcement later Thursday. "Our job is to harness those ideas, and to hold states and schools accountable for making them work."

A total of 28 other states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico have signaled that they, too, plan to seek waivers — a sign of just how vast the law's burdens have become as the big deadline nears.
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more: http://www.npr.org/2012/02/09/146625029/white-house-official-10-states-get-education-waiver

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White House: 10 States Get Education Waiver (AP/NPR) {NCLB in death spiral?} (Original Post) eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 OP
So he DOES have power to change some of the Bush crap? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #1
NCLB was authored by Ted Kennedy. former9thward Feb 2012 #2
but he wasn't perfect. He stopped Nixon from pushing national health, ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #9
One of my problems with it is that the tests are not standardized among the states. amandabeech Feb 2012 #10
key word is "some" AllTooEasy Feb 2012 #6
So he IS changing some of the Bush crap? mzmolly Feb 2012 #14
lol...I could have expressed that better. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2012 #16
UPDATE: Obama on CNN, MSNBC now! eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #3
I see this as good news/bad news d_r Feb 2012 #4
WH announcement here: eppur_se_muova Feb 2012 #5
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #7
Glad to see that MN is one of them MNBrewer Feb 2012 #8
As am I. SomeGuyInEagan Feb 2012 #11
Just bottled a Belgian Dark Strong ale MNBrewer Feb 2012 #12
Where's the "like" button mzmolly Feb 2012 #15
Applause! mzmolly Feb 2012 #13
The law was stupid at the time. Igel Feb 2012 #17
I gave this a rec for the ''death spiral'' Why not put EDUCATORS in charge of ed policy yurbud Feb 2012 #18

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. So he DOES have power to change some of the Bush crap?
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 02:45 PM
Feb 2012

And can around the Republican Iron Curtain?
How did he create that "waiver"?
'Cause I would like to see him waiver a few more things.

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
2. NCLB was authored by Ted Kennedy.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 02:55 PM
Feb 2012

It passed with bi-partisan support. I don't like it because of the over use of standardized testing but this was a product of both parties.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
9. but he wasn't perfect. He stopped Nixon from pushing national health,
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:34 PM
Feb 2012

he allowed his ego to get in the way at other times. Overall, he was a lion and did much good, but this is another example of not so good.

Leave no childs behind has done damage to our schools. We need to leave it behind.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
10. One of my problems with it is that the tests are not standardized among the states.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:42 PM
Feb 2012

Kids in Alabama take a test that's different from the one in New Jersey that's different from the one in Oregon, and there is no office or official to make sure that the tests are equivalent in difficulty.

That leaves a lot of wiggle room for states to dumb-down the tests.

From what I gather, they do because there is a lot of money and jobs on the line here.

If I were in charge, Obama would waive the whole thing except for standardized tests in a few grades.

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
6. key word is "some"
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 03:22 PM
Feb 2012

I wish he could erase the memory of W from my brain, and reanimate all of the troops Bush sacrificed.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. lol...I could have expressed that better.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 06:46 PM
Feb 2012

I "get" that the Republicans are blocking a lot of stuff.
but I do not get that his appointed head of DOJ cannot investigate massive bank fraud, yet no comment or action from our President.
( not to mention firing Holder's ass and getting a REAL AG in there)
THAT crap started with Bushie..well, prolly earlier, but really took off with Bush.
So did this whole TSA groping, the invasion of our privacy, the corporate take over of our country, etc.
THAT crap I was expecting a Dem President to at least be up in arms about
instead of up in drones attacking other countries.

I come from the time of Nixon when firing the US AG for refusing to break the law was considered by most of the country as
a shocking thing.It was a significant factor in Nixon resigning.

then we got Gonzales, during the Bush regime.

sigh....my heart actually hurts at times.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
4. I see this as good news/bad news
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 03:03 PM
Feb 2012

1. Not a fan of NCLB

2. I don't think standardized tests should be overused to evaluate student progress

On the other hand-

3. Even though I don't think standardized tests should be the sole measure of progress, I think it is a damned shame that we can't improve education enough to reach those benchmarks so we give up.

Hard to explain, but I have mixed feelings.

In principle, I don't want us to just focus on teaching to the test. In reality, I'm sad that we can't even get that right.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
17. The law was stupid at the time.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:46 PM
Feb 2012

You'll never get 100% of kids doing anything. You can't dictate that when you've reached success rates in the 90s that there won't be a statistical fluke that drives scores down.

Or a demographic change that means low scoring kids that move into the area won't drag the scores.

It was folly when a small group of inexperienced folk decided that they could dictate to those with greater knowledge how things ought really to be done and gave themselves the power to do so. Obama's amended the folly, but mostly to say that the words imposed by people 10 years ago, codified and therefore predictable, won't do the dictating. Instead, people will do the dictating in something more like real time, meaning that the requirements will be flexible and arguably less predictable. Rule of law, however bad, is probably a bit better than rule by men.

They're changing a bad thing. It might be better. Probably not.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
18. I gave this a rec for the ''death spiral'' Why not put EDUCATORS in charge of ed policy
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:47 AM
Feb 2012

instead of Wall Street privatization and test selling snake oil hucksters?

Obama could shore up support with his base if he kick those assholes to the curb instead of kicking a core Democratic constituency, teachers, in the nuts by keeping them.

Obama has helped teachers with the money in the stimulus to keep many from being laid off, but his support for the right wing vision of education ''reform'' hangs over teachers' heads like a guillotine waiting to drop.

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