Plan falls through to bury Tamerlan Tsarnaev at a state prison

[avaistheone1]

Source: Boston.com

WORCESTER — Police and officials at the funeral home where Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s body is being held say that a plan has fallen apart to bury Tsarnaev at a state prison.

According to two officials at the Graham Putnam Mahoney Funeral Parlors with knowledge of the plan, the plan was hatched on Monday, and police from the city where the prison is located met with funeral home officials Tuesday.

The plan, which called for moving the body to the prison during the early morning hours, fell apart sometime Tuesday, the officials said.

“On Monday there was a proposed offer for a burial site at a state Department of Correction facility, a plan that evaporated on Tuesday,” Police Chief Gary J. Gemme said at a news conference outside the home this morning.




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[geek tragedy]

1. Again, the solution is "Weekend at Bernie's 3" nt

[JaneyVee]

2. Seriously, that body must smell pretty awful by now. Bury him somewhere.

[DesertFlower]

26. it's probably kept on ice.

[MADem]

52. He's in the fridge. nt

[The Green Manalishi]

3. There's got to be a hog farm somewhere

[avaistheone1]

7. The authorities have kept secret the deposition of the remains of the 9/11 bombers.

I can't imagine why the same could not be done in this case.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/21hijackers.html

[BobbyBoring]

4. Why can't they just creamate him

I imagine that after 3 weeks of being dead, he's pretty funky

[davidn3600]

5. Cremation is frowned upon in the Muslim faith

[geek tragedy]

6. So is blowing up children. Seems like a fair arrangement, nt

[cosmicone]

9. LMAO n/t

[dbackjon]

16. Well, that didn't stop the 9/11 terrorists

From self-creamating.



I thought they were disowned by real Muslims? So why should we care if Muslims frown on it, if they aren't REAL Muslims?

[kestrel91316]

25. His uncle has every right to decide how his remains will be disposed of.

And YOU do not. Thank god.

[sarge43]

32. So is a delayed burial. Whenever possible, burial should take place within a day.

The plane has left the hanger.

[MADem]

53. You also cannot bury if there is danger the corpse will be dug up and mocked or abused.

Or eaten by animals.

I am a fan of burial at sea...it's not optimal in Islam, but it suffices in cases where there is no safe burial place, and this situation seems to fill the bill.

State prison would be a good spot...pity that fell through--of course, they use prison labor to maintain those cemeteries, and I would not be surprised if some of those fellers might need to have a wee while working outdoors, so the grave would have to remain unmarked.

[windowpilot]

8. Pull an Obama,

And through him in the ocean... No disrespect to O, but I still would have like to know the cause of death with OBL. Everyone knew that OBL was on a kidney dialysis medicine, wonder if added any cause to his death?

[cosmicone]

11. I don't think he was on dialysis

it was Pakistani ISI propaganda.

[FLyellowdog]

18. Yes, we all owe President Obama a HUGE thank you.

Or were you talking about Oprah?....The "O" is confusing...and disrespectful as a way to refer to our president.

[windowpilot]

22. Get over yourself...

n/t

[FLyellowdog]

24. Hmmmm.

[windowpilot]

33. Thin skin much...

n/t

[FLyellowdog]

34. You'll need to be more specific...

Its thickness varies from 0.5mm on the eyelids to 4mm or more on the palms of hands and the soles of the feet. To which area are you referring?

[cosmicone]

35. O is really disrespectful indeed.

On this board, he is referred to as "President Obama" or "President Barack Obama"

We consider O, BHO, Barack "Hussain" Obama, Barry etc. very insulting despite our thick skins.

[windowpilot]

40. Have the Secret Service

come visit me... ROTFLMFAO

[leftynyc]

61. Why? You're a nobody

At the end of the day he'll still be President Obama and you'll still be a nobody schmuck posting on the internet.

[treestar]

45. We consider those to be in general in the use of right wingers

So it's a "tell" on the apparent intent of person living under a bridge.

[freshwest]

56. Thanks, MIRT!

Posting Privileges Revoked:

MIRT consensus. Over the top anti Dem / Obama comments.

[Adsos Letter]

17. My understanding is that it was acute lead poisoning.

I doubt any dialysis meds played a role, unless they had an anti-coagulant effect.



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[KinMd]

29. I heard it was lead poisoning

[Posteritatis]

10. Hmm. Yep, the responses in these threads are still embarrassing to read.

Hog farm? For fuck's sake.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. Send him back to Russia.

I find it hard to believe someone, somewhere, won't step up and foot the bill. I believe the cost was around $7,000.

[DesertFlower]

27. i read somewhere that russia

might not take the body.

[TheCowsCameHome]

42. Even if his mama wants him?

Strange.

[DesertFlower]

43. his mama does want him,

but they said russia may not take him.

[MADem]

54. They don't want him. I think they aren't looking for a shrine to be built in Dagestan.

They've got a bit o'unrest out that way....and the Olympics are headed to the region in a year. There will be crackdowns, they don't need any more focal flashpoints.

[earthside]

13. People are so superficial ... really.

The guy is dead ... his remains are ... well, remains.

Why would anyone except the most extreme haters care where the atoms and molecules are plopped into the ground?

No wonder we can't solve big problems in this country anymore; we let ourselves get caught-up in arguing and protesting over the superficial and trivial.

[freedom fighter jh]

41. Because it would be their job to keep his remains in the ground.

I don't think those cemetery managers are acting out of hate. I think they're afraid of a constant threat that TS's body would be dug up.

[Marrah_G]

15. FFS it's a BODY.... bury it and be done with it

I swear to god people have lost their fucking minds

[MADem]

55. It is a religious ritual in Islamic culture. It's not just a body to them.

If this is done disrespectfully--and deliberately so--it will serve as a point on which to focus resentment. There needs to be an attempt to conform with Islamic burial practices, even if he was a "bad" Muslim (the Imam could direct that he be placed on his left side facing away from Meccah, e.g.).

There's a protocol to this; it is preferable to honor it even if we think the guy who used to inhabit that husk was an asshole. We could find ourselves feeling blowback down the years if we don't.

Perhaps the uncle will see his way to authorizing burial at sea--it solves a slew of problems....where to bury him; whether he is deserving of the burial of a "good" Muslim (you can't pick which way his face is directed when you're tossing the guy in the deep blue sea), no headstone, no shrine, no nothing. Just make sure the water is deep, the shroud is well secured, and the weights are plentiful.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. WHY did it 'fall apart'? Talk about crappy reporting

It sounds like a good plan to me. What happens when a murderer dies in prison? Is it that there no MA prison with a burial site? Are they all full, and no prison buries them any more? Why doesn't the Globe tell us? Or the police chief? Did no reporter at the press conference think to ask why? Or did the Globe just not bother writing the answer down?

[kirby]

64. Crappy reporting?

Perhaps it was asked and the answer was 'we cannot discuss that, other than it fell apart'.
No official wants his/her name associated with this thing.

I'd like to know more details about what the hell the vague 'fell apart' thing is about, but I'm not going to throw the reporting under the bus. I'm more likely to blame the bureaucracy.

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. "perhaps ..." means you've been left guessing

The reporter should say they've refused to discuss it. There is better reporting on the NBC blog - at least we know the police chief has been contacting multiple state officials:

He's far angrier that no one in the government has stepped up to the solve the dilemma. He blasted state officials for offering to bury Tsarnaev at a prison site and then reneging without explanation.

His calls to officials at the city, state and federal level have yielded no answers. Earlier this week, both the State Department and the Massachusetts governor said they would not intervene to find a final resting place in the U.S. or abroad.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/08/18125180-chief-pleads-for-burial-spot-for-tsarnaev-we-are-not-barbarians?lite

They have now found an undisclosed burial place, which sounds like it might be the site the retired teacher offered, because his mother taught him to 'love thine enemy": http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/09/18146975-burial-spot-found-for-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev?lite

[hrmjustin]

20. Just dig a hole in the ground and thats it.

[Nye Bevan]

21. I like the Bin Laden solution which avoids the potential of a Jihadist shrine (nt)

[Stevenmarc]

23. Stick him in the Body Farm

Where this loser can actually be helpful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_farm

[truthisfreedom]

28. Interesting. Thanks for the link.

[Gin]

30. I saw that in a TV episode......he could serve s purpose after all.

[naaman fletcher]

31. Who cares?

They can bury them whenever they want?

[marble falls]

36. All this glee over a dead body is mighty unseemly and nothing to be proud of....

I mean, punishing a dead man? Its bad enough we are rude to each other day, but to bully a corpse? What does that say about us?

[Thor_MN]

37. I'm sure there are people that "hypothetically speaking" could provide instruction

on how to make a body disappear forever.

[Hulk]

38. cremate and scatter his ashes...

Is this so hard? Either cremate the scum-bag and scatter his ashes, or dump his corpse on the front porch of his bat-shit crazy parents.
Simple solution in my book. What am I missing?

[Ruby the Liberal]

44. Why is this even news?

Ship the remains off to the UT Forensic school. The people who train to ID causes of death and identities of those who died in crisis (like, um, bombings). Done deal.

Why is the media making such an ordeal about this? More bleeds-it-leads bullshit, IMO.

[treestar]

46. Wonder what went wrong

Article doesn't say.

[sofa king]

49. My guess is that someone said two words...

... the second of which was, "you."

[Locut0s]

47. For gods sake just bury him at sea already. What's the big deal?

[treestar]

50. Amen, it was good enough for Osama bin Laden

It will do for this fucker.

[daleo]

48. This seems almost like superstition

Sure, he was awful, but the civilized thing to do is just bury the corpse and be done with it.

[Kablooie]

51. Why not just donate his body to a zoo and let the carnivores feed on him?

Or give him to Gunther Hagens.

[freshwest]

57. All the religious customs are being disregarded, but look at the situation. Otherwise:

Both Jews and Muslims trace their ancestry to the patriarch Abraham. It’s interesting to note that Muslim burial traditions are very similar to Jewish traditions. Muslims also bury within 24 hours,avoid embalming,dress the deceased in white clothing,and bury them in contact with the earth,often in burial shrouds,with no casket.

http://agoodgoodbye.com/news/articles/jewish-burial-equals-green-burial/

By those customs, a soul will not be released until the body has gone 'back to dust.'

There was a thread with a link to a story of a man in CT who has made requests to have him put in his private family plot as the 'right thing to do.'

IDK why they are still chasing a place down, perhaps the cemetary refused, although the man insisted it was his right to do it.

So it continues.

[AndyTiedye]

58. Scientists Want to Autopsy His Brain. Seems Like a Good Idea

Two pioneering researchers of brain disease among athletes in violent sports recommended Saturday that investigators conduct special autopsy tests on amateur boxer Tamerlan Tsarnaev to determine whether the Boston Marathon bombing suspect could have been affected by boxing-related brain damage.

The researchers expressed serious doubt the disease — chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE — could have factored in the wave of violence that led to Tsarnaev’s death early Friday in a firefight with police. But they suggested investigators would be remiss if they did not autopsy Tsarnaev’s brain for signs of CTE. The disease can only be diagnosed through post-mortem forensic tests of the brain.

Both researchers said they considered CTE when they learned of Tsarnaev’s boxing background. Tsarnaev, 26, had fought most of his life after his father introduced him to the sport as a child. He won numerous regional titles in New England Golden Gloves competition and advanced to the national championships in 2009.
…
The most common effects of CTE among young patients involve emotional instability and lack of impulse control.
…

http://www.boston.com/sports/marathon/2013/04/20/researchers-urge-special-brain-autopsy-bombing-suspect/UoZExTff0K4olSTyIV5WGL/story.html

[davidpdx]

59. It would be interesting as a research study

The family would have to approve and my guess is they wouldn't.

[John2]

60. If it was me,

and I was advising the family of the decease,I would avise to buy a plot of Land. I would then instruct to bury the body on that plot of land and they have the right to protect that land with arms. Law Enforcement would have to also protect their rights, regardless of what the Public opinion is. It has nothing to do what the decease did, it is jut a matter of principle with me. And if they break the Constitution, every man has a right to protect his land with arms.

[leftynyc]

62. You can't just bury a body in the US

It's against the law. Things like water table are taken into consideration. If it's the imans that are going to have a hissy fit about where or how he's buried, let them figure it out.

[lynne]

63. This debate and delay makes no sense -

- he has relatives that could claim his body if they wanted to.

Give the family a set amount of time to claim the body, advising them that he will be cremated and disposed of by a specific date if they fail to claim him. Problem solved. All the concern about what his religion requires is insane. Religion is at the root of this horror as it is. If his family is so concerned about religious requirements, they can claim the body and handle it as their religion sees fit. If not, dispose of him as quickly and inexpensively as possible and move on.

[Sunlei]

66. He is buried. An anon. place and person paid for- and this issue is over.

now can the hate media move on?