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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:48 AM Apr 2013

McCaskill Won’t Rule Out Putting Boots On The Ground In Syria

Source: TPM

PEMA LEVY 11:37 AM EDT, SUNDAY APRIL 28, 2013

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) said Sunday that we should leave all options on the table with regard to the situation in Syria, including sending in troops.

"I don't think you want to ever rule it out," McCaskill said of putting boots on the ground in Syria on CBS' "Face the Nation." "Obviously, we don't want to do that unless it's absolutely necessary."

McCaskill cited the deteriorated situation in Syria as well as the potential involvement of Iran and Hezbollah as a reason to never say never.

Conversely, Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), appearing alongside McCaskill, said he is willing to rule out sending in American troops. "I would go even beyond that, I would say no," Chambliss said, weighing in after McCaskill. "We don't need to put boots on the ground but we need to enable their neighbors, the neighbors of Syria, to bring some sort of peaceful resolution to this," he said.

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McCaskill Won’t Rule Out Putting Boots On The Ground In Syria (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2013 OP
I hope that means she is volunteering herself and her family. russspeakeasy Apr 2013 #1
+1000 truebluegreen Apr 2013 #3
Of course, Newest Reality Apr 2013 #10
Of course donquijoterocket Apr 2013 #24
Maybe she's going to announce a run for POTUS in 2016? freshwest Apr 2013 #26
Actually I agree, send both her, McCain, Graham, and any other damn fool that have destroyed still_one Apr 2013 #28
That was my exact thought. harmonicon Apr 2013 #37
Thank you for the quotes. I was trying to remember as accurately as I snappyturtle Apr 2013 #2
I saw your mention of her quotes on the other thread and went looking for them... DonViejo Apr 2013 #5
Glad it helped! nt snappyturtle Apr 2013 #6
The only thing that keeps her from being the most idiotic Senator from Missouri is Blunt. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2013 #4
I vaguely remember why she almost did not win her re-election. This comment of more boots on the midnight Apr 2013 #7
Rather I'd say Todd Akin. alp227 Apr 2013 #34
Let me guess. Does she and persons related to her own stock in companies which are part of the MIC? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #8
Yeah. Newest Reality Apr 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Alamuti Lotus Apr 2013 #18
2011-12, she got $21k in campaign contributions from the defense industry alp227 Apr 2013 #35
Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #36
no ground troops with profit contractors.Shoot the heles and tanks that murder civies.!! Sunlei Apr 2013 #9
I don't think we can AFFORD to pay for another war. AndyA Apr 2013 #12
here we go again, won't these babbling idiots ever learn? bowens43 Apr 2013 #13
don't make donquijoterocket Apr 2013 #25
F**k NO! juajen Apr 2013 #14
Screw that shit! n/t DeSwiss Apr 2013 #15
I can think of another place a boot can go! L0oniX Apr 2013 #16
Weren't these warmongering hypocrites just excoriating DPRK for "threatening other countries"? *nt Alamuti Lotus Apr 2013 #17
"keeping all options on the table" pasto76 Apr 2013 #19
prepare to be called an idiot BootinUp Apr 2013 #20
Remind me of the reasons John2 Apr 2013 #30
He is a repressive dictator, just like his father. That used to be enough to alienate liberals. pampango Apr 2013 #31
Which will be replaced by... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #38
Well, obviously VA_Jill Apr 2013 #21
STOP warmongering now! We can't afford it Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2013 #22
and what objective would these 'boots' be there to achieve? azurnoir Apr 2013 #23
I hate when politicians say.. SummerSnow Apr 2013 #27
Good. Put her in the first wave along with any other chicken hawk who agrees. marble falls Apr 2013 #29
She won't rule out putting her foot in her mouth either. rug Apr 2013 #32
The Empire Marches On blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #33

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
10. Of course,
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:35 PM
Apr 2013

we'll be using their credit card to cover it, right?

Then, go for it. They can pay it back, just like we have, with lots of interest over an indefinite period of time and, hey, cutback on spending a little, ya' know.

donquijoterocket

(488 posts)
24. Of course
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:18 PM
Apr 2013

NOT,And she'd be one of the first to complain about the cost in blood and treasure. McCaskill is apparently not very smart. Just smart enough to beat the obstetrician Akin.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
26. Maybe she's going to announce a run for POTUS in 2016?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:27 PM
Apr 2013

My first thought was, love ya, but you ain't in charge of that. No more than Rand Paul is President, except in his own imagination when telling Hillary he'd fire her...

still_one

(92,190 posts)
28. Actually I agree, send both her, McCain, Graham, and any other damn fool that have destroyed
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:32 PM
Apr 2013

Lives and bankrupted the country

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
37. That was my exact thought.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 01:25 AM
Apr 2013

She can strap on those boots herself, throw on some body armor, and go fight Mr. Badguyofthisweek herself if she so chooses, but I'd rather she leave other people out of it.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
2. Thank you for the quotes. I was trying to remember as accurately as I
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:51 AM
Apr 2013

could on your other OPs. I am enraged by this blatant
drumbeat to war.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
5. I saw your mention of her quotes on the other thread and went looking for them...
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

thanks for the heads up!

midnight

(26,624 posts)
7. I vaguely remember why she almost did not win her re-election. This comment of more boots on the
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:04 PM
Apr 2013

ground, while expecting the rest of the poor in this country to live in austerity is to put more American Children at risk for becoming
homeless....

alp227

(32,021 posts)
34. Rather I'd say Todd Akin.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 10:31 PM
Apr 2013

Remember "legitimate rape"? If Akin won, he'd win the "dumb or dumber" contest because of that comment alone.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
11. Yeah.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:43 PM
Apr 2013

Goofballs like me see it as a way to fix the "sequester" for the military and the broods of defense contractors affixed to its copious teats spewing golden milk. I mean, you can hear the squeaky, repetitive sucking sound if you listen carefully.

We have to keep that armored cow well-fed with our National wealth and mandatory contributions to the biggest, baddest, meanest, most-high tech, money-is-no-object approach to defensive offense the planet has ever seen. It is virtually inserted into our way of life and you can't stop it or kick it out when it has that much clout, advanced weaponry and even WMD's at its disposal. I'm not implying that it would turn around and aim it all at us, but you just don't mess with anything that armed and dangerous.

Oh, yeah, MIC would not let it's own budget get cut, some say, so there is no MIC in control. Really? Well, it won't take much to get it back and then we all are supposed to say, "Hurray!" But there WAS some budget cutting and was is enough.

Response to Newest Reality (Reply #11)

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
36. Thanks.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:10 PM
Apr 2013

It seems small.

Open Secrets doesn't seem to have a way to find out about related parties and how money or jobs can be pushed in their direction.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. no ground troops with profit contractors.Shoot the heles and tanks that murder civies.!!
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:22 PM
Apr 2013

Use drones to take out all the missle firing heles and tanks.

Do NOT start handing out our federal funds to private for profit war contractors. "enable their neighbors" means give them arms.

as the republican said "Chambliss said, weighing in after McCaskill. "We don't need to put boots on the ground but we need to enable their neighbors, the neighbors of Syria, to bring some sort of peaceful resolution to this," he said.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
12. I don't think we can AFFORD to pay for another war.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

You'll have to find the money FIRST, Sen. McCaskill. Since the wealthy own the companies that will benefit most from any military contracts for another war, they shouldn't have any problems with having their taxes raised to pay for it, right?

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
13. here we go again, won't these babbling idiots ever learn?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 12:46 PM
Apr 2013

tell me again what the difference is between Dems and cons.

donquijoterocket

(488 posts)
25. don't make
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:26 PM
Apr 2013

the elemental mistake of breaking things into Dems and cons. Some Dems can be as rock-ribbed conservative as anyone else.Used to be that some Republicans could be as liberal as anyone else but the Tpottiers have pretty much driven them to extinction within the modern Republican party.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
14. F**k NO!
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 01:17 PM
Apr 2013

Let someone else pay for this, in soldiers and money. Not USA. Haven't we learned anything? Let me see, Russia supports Assad, so, here we go again. No! No! No!

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
19. "keeping all options on the table"
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

is a way to present a unified front to the syrian regime. So when a US state department envoy and/or secretary of state goes to negotiate, they appear to have a unified government and therefore people behind that negotiation. Its not a bluff per se, but some chest thumping, staring down, sabre rattling.

thats what the "authorization to use force against iraq" vote was about too. Bush took that and ran all over the place with it. That is, truly, one of his biggest and deepest betrayals of eveyone's trust, including this soldier.

what chambliss said, actively undermines any efforts by our state department to seek an end to this.


we dont even have money for training right now really. another war/peacekeeping venture is seriously, quite a long shot.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
30. Remind me of the reasons
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 08:47 PM
Apr 2013

again, why the U.S. is supporting one side or the other? I just want to have a clear understanding and why they have called for Assad to resign?

pampango

(24,692 posts)
31. He is a repressive dictator, just like his father. That used to be enough to alienate liberals.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:27 PM
Apr 2013


Amnesty International: While it is clear that the vast majority of war crimes and other gross violations continue to be committed by government forces, Amnesty International’s research points to an escalation in abuses by armed opposition groups, which have increasingly resorted to hostage taking and to the torture and summary killing of soldiers, pro-government militias and civilians.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/keep-international-pressure-against-abuses-syria-2013-03-26

We tended to see mainly the authoritarian governments, whose grip was never in doubt, even when they tolerated a controlled pluralism, cautiously independent print media, and a fragile civil society. What we undervalued were rising expectations on the demand side, which subsequently fired the 2011 upheavals, during which thousands of peaceful demonstrators gave their lives in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Bahrain.

Even in Syria and Libya—where the governments were among the region’s most brutal—human rights contestation picked up during the past decade.

http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/arab-spring-unseen-thaw

Then we have the problem of Democratic presidents making speeches as if they actually cared what happens to people in other countries.

FDR's 1945 inaugural speech:

We have learned that we cannot live alone, at peace; that our own well-being is dependent on the well-being of other nations far away. We have learned that we must live as men, not as ostriches, nor as dogs in the manger.

We have learned to be citizens of the world, members of the human community.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/fdr-fourth-inaugural/

JFK's inaugural adress in 1961:

To those people in the huts and villages of half the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required ...

... a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation," a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkinaugural.htm

Obama upon the arrival of the four bodies from the Benghazi attack

That’s the message these four patriots sent. That’s the message that each of you sends every day -- civilians, military -- to people in every corner of the world, that America is a friend, and that we care not just about our own country, not just about our own interests, but about theirs; that even as voices of suspicion and mistrust seek to divide countries and cultures from one another, the United States of America will never retreat from the world. We will never stop working for the dignity and freedom that every person deserves, whatever their creed, whatever their faith.

That’s the essence of American leadership. That’s the spirit that sets us apart from other nations. This was their work in Benghazi, and this is the work we will carry on.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/14/remarks-president-transfer-remains-ceremony-benghazi-victims

It's a tough combination. A brutal dictator, people who have had enough and a country which, sincerely or not, professes regularly to care what happens to people who work for freedom and human dignity.
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
38. Which will be replaced by...
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

an even more repressive religious government. We need to stay out of lose/lose situations, especially when we are broke.

VA_Jill

(9,966 posts)
21. Well, obviously
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 03:08 PM
Apr 2013

Claire and the rest of the saber-rattlers didn't learn a damn thing from Vietnam about getting involved in someone else's civil war.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
22. STOP warmongering now! We can't afford it
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 03:20 PM
Apr 2013

of course money suddenly becomes available for poking our nose into other countries.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
23. and what objective would these 'boots' be there to achieve?
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 04:11 PM
Apr 2013

or will we get to that bothersome part later?

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