Hospitalized Suspect in Boston Charged (Sealed), Will Not Be Charged as Enemy Combatant

[Hissyspit]

Source: Reuters

@CBSNews: JUST IN: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev arraigned in his hospital bed earlier today, charges have been sealed until 1st court appearance.

@CBSNews: UPDATE: At WH Press briefing, Jay Carney says Boston bombing suspect will not be tried as an enemy combatant.

@Reuters: Boston bombing suspect not treated as "enemy combatant," will be prosecuted via criminal justice system: White House #breaking

Hospitalized suspect in Boston bombings charged

Scott Malone, Reuters
12:27 pm, April 22, 2013
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BOSTON (Reuters) -U.S. officials brought charges against Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzohkhar Tsarnaev while he lay in his hospital bed on Monday, a federal court official said. "There has been a sealed complaint filed," said Gary Wente, circuit executive for the U.S. Courts for the First Circuit, who said that a magistrate judge was present when Tsarnaev was charged at his bed in Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital.

The White House has said that the suspect will not be treated as an "enemy combatant", and instead will be prosecuted through the U.S. criminal justice system.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, an ethnic Chechen college student suspected of carrying out the attacks with his older brother, lay in a Boston hospital under armed guard. He was unable to speak after he was captured with throat injuries sustained during shoot-outs with police.

Police declined to comment on media reports he was communicating with authorities in writing.

"There have been widely published reports that he is (communicating silently). I wouldn't dispute that, but I don't have any specific information on that myself," Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis told CNN. "We're very anxious to talk to him and the investigators will be doing that as soon as possible."

Read more: http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-75511848/

[leveymg]

1. Why a sealed indictment? Not like we don't know what he did. Or, do we?

Stranger and stranger.

[Journeyman]

4. Maybe there are others involved? . . .

The Prosecution may not want to tip its hand to those who are not under arrest yet.

[hack89]

7. Don't want to give away who else they are investigating nt

[maddezmom]

32. They aren't sealed see this thread

Last edited Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:16 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014462657

[onehandle]

2. When will the people that sold them guns be prosecuted? nt

[SunSeeker]

11. Good question. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

13. That might be the reason it is currently sealed.

We're going to see some more perp walks out of this one, count on it.

[Leslie Valley]

3. Sealed vs. Sealed? Will Jason Leopold get to the bottom of this one too?

And how long will it take this time?

Has all the makings of a good conspiracy theory.

[tridim]

9. This is a completely different administration, and the admin is not a target.

Why did you even say that? Weird.

[maddezmom]

45. It is unsealed, see this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014462657

[jakeXT]

5. He was signing or writing stuff without a lawyer? /nt

[JDPriestly]

24. It is his choice.

The FBI and Boston police know how to protect evidence. I doubt that they are taking any chances. He is permitted to talk if he wishes to do so.

The police probably saved his life.

[maddezmom]

37. According to this he was advised of his rights and assigned 3 PD's

Snip


He was advised of his rights and charged with one count of using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction in the U.S. and one count of malicious destruction of property with an explosive device.
He was assigned three federal public defenders. The charges could carry the death penalty.
The suspect agreed to "voluntary detention," but declined to answer questions about bail, according to a court record. A probable cause hearing was set for May 30.
"Today's charges bring a successful end to a tragic week for the city of Boston and for our country," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement.




http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/22/17860373-boston-marathon-bomb-suspect-charged-with-using-weapon-of-mass-destruction?lite

[Scuba]

6. '... not treated as "enemy combatant," will be prosecuted via criminal justice system"

That's how we should have dealt with 9/11. Enrolling the international law enforcement community should have been a no-brainer, especially with good will towards America at an all-time high.

Instead the shrubster started his wars and pissed everything away.

[SunSeeker]

12. +1

[lark]

22. W wanted war.

9/11 was just his pretext. Cheney had maps of the oil fields in Iraq that were distributed during his energy commission to the oil companies, months prior to 9/11.

[zipplewrath]

28. Exactly

When Bush said he was going to war against terrorism, I was screaming at him for a definition. That could have easily committed us to several places from Russia and the Phillipines to much of Africa and the middle east. I was screaming for him to JOIN the international community in fighting terrorism as a CRIMINAL activity. Start putting people on trial, as they did with the Lockerbee bomber. Starting working internationally to enforce laws around the world. Treat it as a criminal problem, not a matter of foreign policy to be handled by the DoD. We could have united huge portions of the world in an effort of common concern to many. And it would have united sections of the world that had little else in common.

But the shrub missed the chance, one that may not come again for a long time.

[TeamPooka]

34. +100

[elleng]

8. Pete Williams just discussed these issues on Andrea Mitchell Reports,

including possible rationale for 'sealed' or 'unsealed' indictment. Often, 'sealed' is done so perp remains uninformed, and that's clearly not an issue here vis a vis #2.

[madrchsod]

10. well the obama haters are going to explode!

they`ll need a ocean to cool them done.....

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Too bad, so sad...elections have consquences

[Scuba]

19. When don't they?

[SunSeeker]

14. K&R

[NYC Liberal]

15. Indictment will be unsealed in 24 business hours. Nt

[geomon666]

16. Good, let the justice system do it's work. n/t

[Poll_Blind]

18. Good for the President, good for America!

I applaud and support the Obama administration in this decision!



PB

[OKNancy]

20. kick

[matt819]

21. Ethnic Chechen

Just an observation -

Why described as ethnic Chechen? At this point we don't know whether his ethnic background contributed to his actions last week. They might have. Hell, they probably did. But we don't know this for sure, so why the emphasis on "ethnic Chechen." If I recall, it was his uncle who was quoted last week as saying that the last ancestor born in the Chechen region was back in the 1940s. After all, the report omits is likely religious affiliation, Islam. Is that more, or less, a rationale for his acts?

What about his country of birth, Kyrgzstan, as part of his description?

Or what about his being an immigrant, a legal one at that?

Why not Massachusetts student?

I know this may be minor, but I think the characterization of this guy is going to drive the narrative over the next few years. In the same way that after 9/11 there were pointless attacks on Muslims (and Hindus, and Sikhs, etc.), I think the potential exists that there will attacks on people believed to be "Chechen," which could include just about anyone looking like this guy or having a similar name. Or, of course, given that these attacks almost always come from people on the rightward end of the spectrum, I'd be concerned, also, have people from the Czech Republic.

You get the idea.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. If he were Irish would they be linking it to the IRA?

[zipplewrath]

26. Not too long ago

Yes, not to long ago that'd be EXACTLY what they'd be concerned about. Especially for an Irish guy from Boston. The joke used to be that there were more IRA in Boston than Belfast. Those days are gone but they aren't that long gone.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. Okay,...wouldn't there have been some bragging then that there was a link?

You know, a tape or something of someone reading a manifesto or talking about how they are doing this in response to the suffering of a people?

They haven't even found a note or anything to explain a motive and these two thought they had gotten away with it and went back to their normal lives and it wasn't until the FBI released the video of them together that they freaked out.

[zipplewrath]

31. Chatter

The thing that is missing here is that there is apparently no "chatter". i.e. people involved in these activities either bragging to each other than they were successful, or tellling each other to lay low to avoid backlash against their groups. That pretty much demostrates that there is nothing here.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. Also, the "Chatter" has to be BEFORE the event or it's seen as someone trying to take credit.

[zipplewrath]

41. Dependings upon the kind of chatter

There is "public" chatter, and then there is the stuff that the people believe is private. In some cases we'll just seen an increase in communication volume, without knowing what is being said. In other cases, we'll see communication that is along the line of "do you know who was involved?". As I understand it, they saw nothing after this happened, or before.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. Which is why this has been described as being more like Columbine than 9/11.

[zipplewrath]

43. Bingo

Even more so than Oklahoma. This has more in common with Sandy Hook than even the abortion doctor killings.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. The Uncle hit the nail on the head. A couple of losers mad at people who weren't.

[JDPriestly]

25. Actually, is is just a legal immigrant or is he a naturalized citizen?

[jakeXT]

29. on Sept. 11, 2012 he became a naturalized citizen

Dzhokar Tsarnaev became a naturalized U.S. citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, according to an official briefed on the matter who asked not to be identified because the probe is in progress.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-21/boston-bomb-suspect-s-citizenship-bid-is-part-of-probe.html

[dipsydoodle]

35. Thats the date on which

the USA helped fuck the population of Chile in 1973 leading to the death of well over 5000 citizens.

[jakeXT]

38. magic numbers..... /nt

[treestar]

48. I noticed that too, he is an American citizen

But they are going to play up the foreign angle as much as they can.

[Hestia]

51. I think because Europe & Russia go by bloodlines when you get a birth certificate

You are not automatically a citizen if your parents aren't, and generally there aren't "naturalized" citizens in Europe. (I'm pretty sure I have that correct.) Remember the uprisings in France a couple of years ago - guest works and their children have lived in France for 3 generations but none of them are citizens. They do not get the rights that go along with that.

Wholly different than here in the US, where most anyone can become a citizen. It should ring alarm bells when the 'pugs start talking guest workers for here in the US. This is what they are going for - the guest work cannot become a citizen.

Which of course has nothing to do with the reporting of the MSM and his being from Chechnya. Russia abhors them, so we are supposed to too?

[Hestia]

52. Okay, just read where in Germany you can become a citizen if you live there for 8 years

but it is not automatic; with France it is 5 years, but article says a bureaucratic nightmare.

[southern_belle]

27. Indictment is here

[link:http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boston-bombings-read-charging-documents?ref=fpb|

[Gore1FL]

33. It's weird they refer to the bomb as WMD in the charge

(Affidavit point #3)

I think it is pretty clear it wasn't a WMD.

[jakeXT]

39. The Neocons should've looked in Saddam's kitchen.

[onenote]

46. it fits squarely within the definition of weapon of mass destruction in 18 USC 2332a

[dipsydoodle]

49. In which case

the rest of the world will rightly be able to reclass any US made bombs above and beyond that size/power as WMD's accordingly.

[onenote]

50. If they want, sure.

Is someone stopping them? Are we claiming that our bombs aren't weapons of mass destruction under title 18?

[jakeXT]

40. no second car,no running over, no killing MIT cop ... So who robbed the 7/11 and killed the cop?

A short time later, the stolen vehicle was located by law enforcement in Watertown,Massachusetts. As the men drove down Dexter Street in Watertown, they threw at least two small improvised explosive devices ("IEDs&quot out of
the car. A gun fight ensued between the car's occupants and law enforcement officers in which numerous shots were fired. One of
the men was severely injured and remained at the scene; the other managed to escape in the car. That car was later found abandoned a short distance away, and an intact low-grade explosive device was discovered inside it. In addition, from the scene of
the shootout on Laurel Street in Watertown,the FBI has recovered two unexploded IEDs, as well as the remnants of
numerous exploded IEDs.

A local officer spotted the brothers driving in two cars, a Honda sedan and the stolen Mercedes SUV, said Deveau. The brothers stopped, jumped out and started firing on the officer, while more police rushed to the scene, he said.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/21/new-details-wild-shootout-with-bomb-suspects-watertown-chief-believes-older-brother-was-killed-younger-brother-desperate-getaway/jaIyrXr8fSnf5Pu4xnRbvM/story.html

[onenote]

47. These are federal charges. Separate state charges could follow

Same reason why there is no charge of murder of the three that died in the bombing.
Timothy McVeigh could have been charged with 160 counts of murder under Oklahoma law, but he wasn't because the feds were able to convict him of murder under federal law because eight of those that died in the Oklahoma City bombing were federal officials. To my knowledge, none of the deaths that would form the basis for charges against the Boston bombers were federal officials.

[John2]

53. The more and

more information coming out, this is sounding more like the work of a psychopath. His brother may have connections to three unsolved murders and the way they described the murders, it sounded like the killer did it out of rage.

There is no connection so far to a Foreign Terrorist group and he has shown outbursts even towards Muslims. And his brother seems so far to be a follower of his older brother. Every information coming out is painting the picture of a egomaniac. He seems to fit the profile of a person that got very angry if he didn't get what he wanted. The way his Uncle described him, he wasn't that devoted to Islam but used it as a reason to control people.