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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:27 PM Apr 2013

Rick Perry asks Obama for a ‘quick turnaround’ on federal aid after explosion

Source: Raw Story

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) on Thursday declared a disaster area and said he planned to request federal funds in response to an explosion at a fertilizer plant in Waco that may have killed as many as 15 people.

At a press conference, the governor thanked President Barack Obama for calling for offer quick action after Wednesday night’s explosion.

“Last night was truly a nighmare scenario for that community,” Perry said. “President Obama called from Air Force One as he was en route to Boston… We greatly appreciate his call, and his gracious offer of support, of course, and the quick turnaround of the emergency declaration that will be forthcoming, and his offer of prayers.”

As a Republican candidate for president in 2012, the Texas governor often railed against federal spending.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/18/rick-perry-asks-obama-for-a-quick-turnaround-on-federal-aid-after-explosion/



Just think about how Republicans, especially from the south, treated the good folks of New York and New Jersey after Hurricane Sandy.

They have no problem crawling to the Federal government for aid when they're hit by disasters. That's fine. But don't try to shaft people in New York and New Jersey when they get slammed by hurricanes.

Just sayin'
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Rick Perry asks Obama for a ‘quick turnaround’ on federal aid after explosion (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 OP
I thought the fertilizer plant was privately owned? amuse bouche Apr 2013 #1
What happened to them is horrible but redstatebluegirl Apr 2013 #2
residents of all 50 states posted KatyMan Apr 2013 #5
I was born in and live in Texas sadbear Apr 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #32
This is not a natural disaster. olddad56 Apr 2013 #52
This is a private corporation xxqqqzme Apr 2013 #124
TX kardonb Apr 2013 #12
HEY Skittles Apr 2013 #37
Mike Malloy had a regular caller from West Texas with a thick accent... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #44
3,294,440 Texans voted for Obama in 2012 pamela Apr 2013 #64
damn straight we are true blue!! Skittles Apr 2013 #69
But 57.2% of Texans voted for Romney... rexcat Apr 2013 #87
More prejudice & division? Would you like acid with that? Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #119
Yet, Republican Christie was blasted for asking Obama for aid HockeyMom Apr 2013 #3
Wait. Federal assistance for a privately owned company? Autumn Apr 2013 #4
This business KatyMan Apr 2013 #6
I don't know. I know I have insurance on my home. Autumn Apr 2013 #8
Your insurance won't pay right away OldHippieChick Apr 2013 #30
ever been through a disaster? Skittles Apr 2013 #39
No, and I understand that. I just wonder if the company's insurance Autumn Apr 2013 #41
alas Skittles Apr 2013 #43
I heard on the news that they have been fined several times. Autumn Apr 2013 #45
I totally agree with you. If this happened in a blue state, the Repugs would be screaming Booster Apr 2013 #47
I remember their attitude after Sandy and Joplin Autumn Apr 2013 #56
The people around the business should get all the help they need. Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #9
EXACTLY. nt Raine1967 Apr 2013 #13
I think the problem in the Northeast is the Koch's wanting the property. justice1 Apr 2013 #16
I agree completely, I'm just curious if the company is ultimately Autumn Apr 2013 #26
To pay for damages is what one gets insurance for? Sunlei Apr 2013 #18
Icky Ricky - I like that one! Mr. Evil Apr 2013 #10
Let the "Free Market" take care of it. bvar22 Apr 2013 #23
I agree. The good people of this district voted for a Congressman adigal Apr 2013 #73
Damn, I know I left a government teat laying russspeakeasy Apr 2013 #11
Fucking Hypocrite. AzDar Apr 2013 #14
Sorry Goodhair, but we have a SPENDING problem. denverbill Apr 2013 #15
Federal disaster money isn't for this. eggplant Apr 2013 #17
+1000 !! Give people food, clothing, shelter while Dan Ken Apr 2013 #77
By your last statement alone, I can only surmise kentauros Apr 2013 #78
You surmise incorrectly. eggplant Apr 2013 #91
Well, the local municipality IS overwhelmed. kentauros Apr 2013 #93
Yes, so the problem falls to the state, which is clearly NOT overwhelmed. eggplant Apr 2013 #95
I don't have a problem with him asking. kentauros Apr 2013 #96
I have a problem with him asking because he doesn't NEED to ask. eggplant Apr 2013 #97
You're making one big assumption, though. kentauros Apr 2013 #98
Nope. eggplant Apr 2013 #111
Damn big government socialist magic59 Apr 2013 #19
No, but sometimes it takes a functioning Federal gummint! AAO Apr 2013 #22
So secession is off the table then, Ricky boy? maddogesq Apr 2013 #20
Um, weren't you the governor who was talking all shit about secession? SemperEadem Apr 2013 #21
Yeah, ain't that shit! AAO Apr 2013 #24
So, what does this part of your profile mean, exactly? kentauros Apr 2013 #79
It means AAO Apr 2013 #85
A little. kentauros Apr 2013 #86
Yes, I meant that too. AAO Apr 2013 #88
Then, you're contradicting yourself. kentauros Apr 2013 #90
Things coming out of TX rarely make sense to me. AAO Apr 2013 #92
No, you're not "sorry". kentauros Apr 2013 #94
I would ask you to kindly mind your own business. AAO Apr 2013 #99
It's difficult to do so kentauros Apr 2013 #102
Have fun in wonderful Texas! Good day! AAO Apr 2013 #103
I'm from Madison WI., lob away if it makes you feel better. AAO Apr 2013 #104
I have nothing against Wisconsin, or any region of the US. kentauros Apr 2013 #106
Why get worked up over an unknown person on the internet? AAO Apr 2013 #108
I get worked up about this kind of thing kentauros Apr 2013 #109
I don't hate any individual person AAO Apr 2013 #113
And yes, I truly am sorry you are living in TX. AAO Apr 2013 #100
I can only assume Gore1FL Apr 2013 #25
Ouch! Good point. Let's just watch what they do. Booster Apr 2013 #49
Doubtful n/t adigal Apr 2013 #74
That's my anti-federalist governor... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #27
Excuse Me! markmyword Apr 2013 #28
More like "live in pieces." kentauros Apr 2013 #80
He thanked Obama in advance PDittie Apr 2013 #29
Here's my ass, Perry. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #31
I wouldn't give Rick Perry a dime kitt6 Apr 2013 #33
Will the libdude Apr 2013 #34
OC NY Thanks you! JoyBugaloo Apr 2013 #35
Bill them 100% of costs so they understand what deregulation really costs on point Apr 2013 #36
And where will most of the money go? DiverDave Apr 2013 #38
In my judgement the much better man is Obama, he called and spoke to Perry, a sign of a true Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #40
Thank you! kentauros Apr 2013 #81
wow. No shame. None whatsoever. ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #42
The aid should come with one condition PD Turk Apr 2013 #46
Send emergency help to Texas -- enough OSHA inspectors to curb criminal chemical manufacturers. nt SDjack Apr 2013 #48
Take a number, (P)Rick! The line stretches around the block! muntrv Apr 2013 #50
I hope the Congresscritters from areas devastated by Sandy Ilsa Apr 2013 #51
I agree. kentauros Apr 2013 #84
put away the marbles... and think chess oldhippydude Apr 2013 #53
Here Are the Republicans Who Voted ‘No’ on Hurricane Sandy Relief Funds cleduc Apr 2013 #54
Well, I'm sure they won't be hypocrites nobodyspecial Apr 2013 #61
that asshole is on a mission to illinois to take our jobs madrchsod Apr 2013 #55
His mission seems to be working! Heard this afternoon that IL lost 18,000 jobs last month DearHeart Apr 2013 #114
Rick who ?? from where ?? jaysunb Apr 2013 #57
Just Say No Rain Mcloud Apr 2013 #58
Put it up for a vote in Congress!! oldandhappy Apr 2013 #59
I remember the southern assholes voting against Sandy aid... bobclark86 Apr 2013 #60
Here's an idea, Rick... cactusfractal Apr 2013 #62
This aid will have to be offset Mnpaul Apr 2013 #63
His Pitch To California Employers, Come To Texas... TomCADem Apr 2013 #65
Private company Diremoon Apr 2013 #66
They seem to always gripe about spending until... sakabatou Apr 2013 #67
So this is a request for foreign aid then. Being Ricky thinks Texas is an independent nation. Monk06 Apr 2013 #68
All I can say is.. Cha Apr 2013 #70
Another red state... Brimley Apr 2013 #71
Wouldn't that be socialism or something like that? n/t davidwparker Apr 2013 #72
I'm against giving any money to a state that is the home of Rick Perry and Ted Cruz. auburngrad82 Apr 2013 #75
This is nowhere as big as Sandy was in NJ/NY and the cause was not nature, but a company karynnj Apr 2013 #76
they're hypocrites. barbtries Apr 2013 #82
"Fork over that sweet, sweet federal sponduli Arkana Apr 2013 #83
Federal Aid? Federal Aid? We Texans don't need no stinkin' Federal Aid! CanonRay Apr 2013 #89
What will this do for the deficit? We need to tighten our belts! TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #101
Is a quick turnaround like the runaround they gave New Jersey? Generic Other Apr 2013 #105
Federal Aid money should go directly to West, Texas to pay the direct bills. Sunlei Apr 2013 #107
Absolutely not. JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #110
Was FEMA one of the Federal agencies he wanted to shut down? KamaAina Apr 2013 #112
We can't be positive icnorth Apr 2013 #118
Sure. Give em the same "quick turnaround" the Jersey Shore got. name not needed Apr 2013 #115
We should help them, we should help victims of Sandy Marrah_G Apr 2013 #116
AssClown Award Nominee for the week of 4/20 BadGimp Apr 2013 #117
"Oops." n/t Orsino Apr 2013 #120
Was he able to name three federal agencies who could provide aid? yellowcanine Apr 2013 #121
Texas should pay. JEFF9K Apr 2013 #122
Privatize the gains, publicize the losses... Aquavit Apr 2013 #123
Gosh, corporations are people, my friend matt819 Apr 2013 #125

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
1. I thought the fertilizer plant was privately owned?
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:30 PM
Apr 2013

What's up with Icky Ricky?

He hates federal assistance.Pull up your boot straps Rick

KatyMan

(4,190 posts)
5. residents of all 50 states posted
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:35 PM
Apr 2013

petitions to leave the Union. Not just Texas. And no, we (the thinking people of Texas- and there are a lot of us) don't want to leave the Union. This is a horrible tragedy and we at DU should be above politicking it.

Response to KatyMan (Reply #5)

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
52. This is not a natural disaster.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:34 PM
Apr 2013

When was the last time the State of Texas inspected the plant? Let the state of Texas or the fertilizer co pay for it. Who paid for the damage caused by the gas pipeline explosion in the bay area a couple of years ago. Not the the feds, not the state, the gas company paid for the damages.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
124. This is a private corporation
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:58 PM
Apr 2013

engaged in massive negligence. Why are Federal Funds needed to fix their problems? Now if they want to reimburse the amount of taxpayer money spent to clean up their fuck up, we can talk.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
44. Mike Malloy had a regular caller from West Texas with a thick accent...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:37 PM
Apr 2013

He was a liberal who thought the people around him were absolutely crazy.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
64. 3,294,440 Texans voted for Obama in 2012
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:58 PM
Apr 2013

Obama got more votes from Texas than from any other states except California and New York. He got more votes from Texas than from Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island, Oregon, New Hampshire, Delaware and DC COMBINED.

Until recently, I lived in a solid blue state, but I never understood how blue staters could be so smug and dismissive of red states. I travel in a lot of red states and I never forget that there are large numbers of Democrats in all of those states. Plus, red state Dems are amazing! Do folks even realize how incredibly progressive to the core you must be to grow up in those areas and yet not conform?That's true blue.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
69. damn straight we are true blue!!
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:20 AM
Apr 2013

I'll never call myself a Texan but having lived here since the age of 19 I can damn well say there are a lot of progressives down here!

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
87. But 57.2% of Texans voted for Romney...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:42 PM
Apr 2013

Just because more people in Texas voted for Obama just means it is a large population state. It would still appear that Romney got a large majority of the vote in Texas at 57.2% of the vote. All 38 electoral votes from Texass went to Romney.

Now I live in Ohio. The majority of voters in Ohio (slim as it was) voted for Obama as we did in 2008 and if I am not mistaken our state pushed Obama to the victory. When Texas goes blue or becomes a state in play talk to me but right now your bragging rights are a little misplaced!

Disclosure - I have lived in Texas and I can say no thank you ever again.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
3. Yet, Republican Christie was blasted for asking Obama for aid
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:32 PM
Apr 2013

after Sandy? See how quickly Republicans ask for Federal help when THEY need it?

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
4. Wait. Federal assistance for a privately owned company?
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:34 PM
Apr 2013

I'm very sorry for what they are going through, but shouldn't the businesses insurance take care of that? It's not a natural disaster.

KatyMan

(4,190 posts)
6. This business
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:36 PM
Apr 2013

likely does not have enough insurance to cover the damages. Houses were leveled. So, should the people suffer because of the business?

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
8. I don't know. I know I have insurance on my home.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:39 PM
Apr 2013

I would expect them to pay and go after the company who caused the damage.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
30. Your insurance won't pay right away
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:41 PM
Apr 2013

and it won't feed and clothe you -nor will it put a roof over your head while you wrangle w/ them over how much you lost.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
41. No, and I understand that. I just wonder if the company's insurance
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:31 PM
Apr 2013

will be responsible and have to pay back the government.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
43. alas
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:36 PM
Apr 2013

no in hell will their insurance cover these costs - just another example of privatized profits, socialized risks

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
45. I heard on the news that they have been fined several times.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:42 PM
Apr 2013

What a load of BS. It's the perfect example.

Booster

(10,021 posts)
47. I totally agree with you. If this happened in a blue state, the Repugs would be screaming
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:09 PM
Apr 2013

their heads off about the gov helping. Hypocrites, all of them.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
56. I remember their attitude after Sandy and Joplin
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:46 PM
Apr 2013

those were natural disasters, and this is a company who seemed to have problems complying with regulations.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. The people around the business should get all the help they need.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:42 PM
Apr 2013

And Americans in New York and New Jersey should get all the help they need when they get hit by hurricanes.

This is a concept many Republicans fail to grasp. They want their Federal disaster money and they don't want to let anyone else have any, especially if they live in blue states.

To them, the people in New York and New Jersey are moochers while the people in Texas are just good 'ol Americans in need.

Mr. Evil

(2,841 posts)
10. Icky Ricky - I like that one!
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:43 PM
Apr 2013

I think Gov. Perry wants to save the business and insurance companies the expense of this tragedy and mess and once again ask the Feds (us) to pay for it. I don't mind direct aid to the individual people involved and affected but the business that blew up and their insurance company should bear the burden of rebuilding the damaged part of the community.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. Let the "Free Market" take care of it.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:19 PM
Apr 2013

I'm sure the Giant Invisible Hand will show up any minute now.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
73. I agree. The good people of this district voted for a Congressman
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:59 AM
Apr 2013

who voted NO on aid for the northeast after Sandy. They are responsible for voting him in. While I think we should help them, because it is the good and right thing to do, I also think we should take our sweet time, and let's see if the "private forces" they are always touting as capable of stepping in can actually do anything.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
15. Sorry Goodhair, but we have a SPENDING problem.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 06:57 PM
Apr 2013

And a BORROWING problem.

But god forbid we raise taxes on billionaires or force corporations to pay the same rates they paid 10 years ago.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
17. Federal disaster money isn't for this.
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:01 PM
Apr 2013

This wasn't some ActOfGod that ran aground on our shores. This wasn't a twister. This wasn't floods, or locusts, or a terrorist attack. It doesn't affect that many people (from a federal perspective, not a personal one).

This was negligence by a private company cited in the past for problems. Homeowners have insurance.

There is absolutely no reason that the federal government should pick up this tab.

 

Dan Ken

(149 posts)
77. +1000 !! Give people food, clothing, shelter while
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:26 PM
Apr 2013

the private enterprise system and the courts sort this out. Texas, itself, should pay, not taxpayers in 49 other states for what Texas let be built and never bothered to inpect nor regulate.

Natural disaster relief is for NATURAL disasters.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
78. By your last statement alone, I can only surmise
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:36 PM
Apr 2013

that you are against the Environmental Protection Agency. Because if you don't think the government should ever "pick up the tab" for any disaster caused by a private industry, then you haven't been paying attention.

One of the primary functions of the EPA is industrial cleanup, something that often costs us, the taxpayers, at least tens of millions, if not more. I suspect they will be called in to assess and/or help in cleanup in West, Texas as well.

Disasters come in many forms, including from industrial accidents. Take a look at this list of industrial accidents, and tell me... no tell the survivors in West, Texas, why the government has no business picking up the tab for helping them out after this disaster.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
91. You surmise incorrectly.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:00 PM
Apr 2013

I'm a big believer in Superfund. *Cleanup* is not the same thing as disaster relief. Cleaning up the site (from an EPA perspective) has nothing to do with helping out the victims. It has to do with helping out the *environment*.

On the other hand, federal disaster money is for helping *people* immediately after a disaster, when the munipality and/or the state would be overwhelmed by the task (due typically to destroyed infrastructure). Clearly that isn't the case here.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
93. Well, the local municipality IS overwhelmed.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:05 PM
Apr 2013

So, clearly, that is the case here.

And I really don't understand why it's such a big deal to y'all anyway. All I'm seeing on this thread is a lot of continued hate against all of Texas, as if punishing people in need will make them vote differently next time.

Whatever happened to compassion for all as a common Liberal trait?

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
95. Yes, so the problem falls to the state, which is clearly NOT overwhelmed.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:09 PM
Apr 2013

It is a particularly galling "request" from Perry after his treatment of Hurricane Sandy victims, and of the federal government in general. The state of TX has the resources to deal with this situation.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
96. I don't have a problem with him asking.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:14 PM
Apr 2013

He's a hypocrite, in every absolute meaning of the word. However, I see no problem with the federal government sending aid, in whatever form it takes. We just need to realize that we, as Liberals, are better than these hypocrites, and will help even when not asked first, as Obama did. Makes no difference to me if such a disaster isn't natural. It's still people in immediate need, people that are as much residents of the State of Texas as they are residents of the United States of America.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
97. I have a problem with him asking because he doesn't NEED to ask.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:26 PM
Apr 2013

This isn't some epic biblical disaster. It won't overwhelm the state. It has nothing to do with whether we, as liberals, should kick in or not. That's what charity is for. Federal tax dollars shouldn't go to this.

There is a line that has to be drawn. If one person's house burns down, that clearly doesn't qualify for a declaration as a federal disaster. It's tragic, and leaves people in immediate need.

How is this situation different? Is this event so large that between insurance, neighbors, the town, the state, and national charities (say, the red cross) it can't be dealt with? I'm not suggesting that life won't suck for those folks for a while. I'm suggesting that this event does not rise to the level of requiring federal intervention.

I don't know about you, but if I lose my house, my insurance company will quickly get me the money I need to find immediate temporary housing, etc. If it was me and hundreds of thousands of other homeowners at the same time, that would be a problem. This simply isn't a big enough disaster.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
98. You're making one big assumption, though.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:36 PM
Apr 2013

That the insurance of the company at fault here will be able to cover everything. It's a small (and likely family-run) business. I don't know who their insurance company is, but I doubt they are ready to cover an industrial accident of this magnitude. It's not like they're an oil company.

I would say, to your analogy, that if your house blew up, killed at least eleven people, and leveled four square blocks of homes, businesses, and schools, that I would expect the feds to show up and help out. Not to mention, I would expect the feds to be investigating your ass, assuming you were still alive.

Whether the state has the ability to cover such a disaster makes no difference to me. Having the federal government either offer, or just show up, is a good thing. And to reiterate, as a compassionate Liberal that helps his fellow Americans, whether they ask for it or not, is what I consider a good trait. This won't break the federal government's pocketbook. So why the big deal over this? All I'm seeing is a lack of compassion and an attitude I would expect from a bean-counting bureaucrat.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
111. Nope.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 05:53 PM
Apr 2013

I'm assuming that each homeowner's insurance will cover their own losses and will then attempt to collect from the company's insurer. It will be in their best interest to settle with the homeowner quickly so they can turn around and be first in line to collect from the likely limited insurance the company holds.

As for your "what's the big deal with asking for a little compassion" question, I would *love* for the government to be more compassionate. I'd love for welfare to pay enough to actually live on. I'd love it if unemployment benefits didn't expire. I'd love it if there was completely socialized medicine available to all. But *I* don't run the government, and neither do you. It works (or doesn't) by compromise. And some of the people who have to be reckoned with are penny-pinching assholes who don't want to spend dime one on anyone but themselves.

Which, not ironically, includes Gov. Perry and his ilk. You don't like it? Take it up with the Rs in congress.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
79. So, what does this part of your profile mean, exactly?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:38 PM
Apr 2013

"Love is all around you. You just need to open your heart to let it flow."

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
86. A little.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

I guess it also means that you didn't really mean it when you wrote:

"Fuck you Rick, and fuck your fucked state too!"

Am I right? Or are their "conditions" to an open heart?

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
90. Then, you're contradicting yourself.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:54 PM
Apr 2013

While I can understand the sentiment, at least with regards to Gov. Parry, my view is that if you truly hold that an open heart is what we need to let Love flow, then why not let it shine through in your posts? Love is not truly Love if there are conditions or contradicting statements (especially hateful statements made in a broad-brush manner.)

We're not perfect, whether as residents of our home regions or an humans, but as Liberals, I thought we at least tried to take the high road. I'm not seeing that from your initial post and then seeing such a contradicting statement on your profile.

Yes, I'm a Texan. And yes, I'm tired of the unconditional hate lobbed our way on, pretty much, a daily basis here on DU. So, it confuses me when I see someone post what I consider a cool statement of Love on their profile and then turn around and paint the exact opposite in a broad-brush attack on an entire region. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
92. Things coming out of TX rarely make sense to me.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:04 PM
Apr 2013

I'm sorry you are from TX. Maybe you should move if my words strike such a reaction. I have to run back to work now.
Peace. I was not trying to broad-brush all citizens of TX - mainly just the politicians and all the wacko crap that I keep hearing about coming out of TX. There are several other states I feel the same way about.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
94. No, you're not "sorry".
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:09 PM
Apr 2013

I don't feel it. And no, I'm not moving.

However, I suggest you remove that statement from your profile, especially if your negative sentiment towards Texas is shared with other states in the Union. It's meaningless now.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
102. It's difficult to do so
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:38 PM
Apr 2013

when I read initial comments like yours towards my home state. Would you not react in kind were I to lob hateful comments at the place you live (and presumably love)? Do notice that I have yet to do that kind of thing here.

Then again, I really should show more restraint than I have. Very few DUers have ever apologized for their sentiment to the state I love as my home. Education never seems to work in swaying that hateful attitude.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
104. I'm from Madison WI., lob away if it makes you feel better.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:43 PM
Apr 2013

I don't take internet insults seriously and you probably would be better off to brush it off yourself.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
106. I have nothing against Wisconsin, or any region of the US.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:50 PM
Apr 2013

I just am saddened when I see my fellow DUers acting without much compassion for their fellow Americans. Always seems like there's a condition put in place before help is offered or approved.

However, if you don't take Internet insults seriously, does that mean you didn't actually mean anything you've said prior to all this? Was this all just a ruse to get a rile out of a native Texan? Again, maybe you should change your profile, because I'm not seeing much love of an open heart.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
108. Why get worked up over an unknown person on the internet?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:54 PM
Apr 2013

First of all, as I said - I am in no way against all Texans, it's the right-wing politicians and their dumbass followers that I'm angry with. And I personally think there is nothing wrong with Perry asking for help - he should - but it's fair to point out the guy is a teabag loving hypocrite.

Peace, brother.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
109. I get worked up about this kind of thing
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:07 PM
Apr 2013

(as do other Texans here) because Texas is still the Number One Most Hated State In The Union as far as some DU-members are concerned, and they show it every chance they get. Your wording also made it appear you weren't holding yourself to simply the elected officials.

So, expect to be called on it when you (or anyone) broad-brush us, especially with such an emotionally-charged insult as yours was.

Namaste

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
113. I don't hate any individual person
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 07:45 PM
Apr 2013

I hate ideas that hurt hard working people in defense of those much better off. And good for you to hold me to a better standard than I showed at the beginning of this tête-à-tête. I am also (as much as I've fought it) a victim to the anonymous nature of the internet. I don't hate Texas or Texans. That would be the kind of broad generalization that I've fought against my entire life.

Sometimes in the heat of a moment, I say things without thinking that are not necessarily the way I would say such things if I wasn't "anonymous".

KT, I hope you will accept my sincere apologies.

Gore1FL

(21,130 posts)
25. I can only assume
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:20 PM
Apr 2013

Justin Amash (R-MI)
Andy Barr (R-KY)
Dan Benishek (R-MI)
Kerry Bentivolio (R-MI)
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
Jim Bridenstine (R-OK)
Mo Brooks (R-AL)
Paul Broun (R-GA)
Steve Chabot (R-OH)
Doug Collins (R-GA)
Mike Conaway (R-TX)
Tom Cotton (R-AR)
Steve Daines (R-MT)
Ron DeSantis (R-FL)
Scott DesJarlais (R-TN)
Sean Duffy (R-WI)
Jeff Duncan (R-SC)
Jimmy Duncan (R-TN)
Stephen Fincher (R-TN)
John Fleming (R-LA)
Bill Flores (R-TX)
Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)
Paul Gosar (R-AZ)
Trey Gowdy (R-SC)
Tom Graves (R-GA)
Sam Graves (R-MO)
Andrew Harris (R-MD)
George Holding (R-NC)
Richard Hudson (R-NC)
Tim Huelskamp (R-KS)
Randy Hultgren (R-IL)
Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Doug Lamborn (R-CO)
Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Thomas Massie (R-KY)
Tom McClintock (R-CA)
Mark Meadows (R-NC)
Markwayne Mullin (R-OK)
Mick Mulvaney (R-SC)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Steven Palazzo (R-MS)
Steve Pearce (R-NM)
Scott Perry (R-PA)
Tom Petri (R-WI)
Mike Pompeo (R-KS)
Tom Price (R-GA)
Phil Roe (R-TN)
Todd Rokita (R-IN)
Keith Rothfus (R-PA)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Matt Salmon (R-AZ)
David Schweikert (R-AZ)
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI)
Marlin Stutzman (R-IN)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Randy Weber (R-TX)
Brad Wenstrup (R-OH)
Roger Williams (R-TX)
Joe Wilson (R-SC)
Rob Woodall (R-GA)
Kevin Yoder (R-KS) and
Ted Yoho (R-FL)

will be voting against this relief.

markmyword

(180 posts)
28. Excuse Me!
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:23 PM
Apr 2013

Excuse me, I'm sorry to hear about this disaster and any other disasters that Texas or any other red state might have.

Since these Republican governors, Representatives and Senators HATE big government and vote against federal programs such as, Obamacare, Social Security, Medicare, Mediaid, or REFUSE to take federal funds to be used in their states.

So WHY whenever they have a flood, tornadoes, fires, oil spills or in this case an explosion, do they ASK for aid???

I'm from a blue state and I'm tired of helping these RED TEABAGGERS out. You turn federal money down that would HELP the people of your state, because you DON'T WANT the federal government involved.

Then DON'T ASK for money when emergencies arise. Either you WANT the federal government to help or you don't! You CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE when you want the government involved.

I wish these Red states would SECEDE and let the Blue states live in Peace.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
80. More like "live in pieces."
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:42 PM
Apr 2013

Maybe you can help me out with this. Why is it that in this "discussion" about secession, that (at least on DU) the overwhelming majority that push for the South to secede is coming from residents in Northeastern (and some PNW) states? I don't want to see the South secede. I want to see the United States of America survive and thrive.

In other words, tone down the broad-brush, m'kay?

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
29. He thanked Obama in advance
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:36 PM
Apr 2013

for a 'quick turnaround' on federal aid for an emergency he hasn't declared (as of yet). That is some serious gall.

 

kitt6

(516 posts)
33. I wouldn't give Rick Perry a dime
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:49 PM
Apr 2013

until he shuts his hate mongering mouth! Of course this President is so nice.

libdude

(136 posts)
34. Will the
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:54 PM
Apr 2013

Republicans ask that any aid for this disaster be offset before it is given?
I am really surprised that the Republic of Texas with their robust economy should even ask for aid. OOPS! Given the fact that the state has two Senators Cornyn and Cruz that don't give a damn about those who suffer individual disasters related to firearms.
Of course help should be given because these are our fellow citizens and that is what Americans do. This in spite of their Gov. Perry and the sorry Senators that the people of the state send to plague the rest of the country.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
38. And where will most of the money go?
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:24 PM
Apr 2013

To halliburten,kbr,and every tinhorn that has ever given perry any money.
A small percentage will go to the affected people.
Just another way to rip off the taxpayers of the United States.

Bet anyone 50 bucks that it will happen.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
40. In my judgement the much better man is Obama, he called and spoke to Perry, a sign of a true
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 08:27 PM
Apr 2013

President, Perry could take lessons. OOPS needs to publically expressed as regret for his unkind words and learn even though we Texans thinks our state is great, we are greater as a nation. OOPS needs to say he is sorry about being negative about Obamacare and let the uninsured of this state acquire needed health insurance.

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
46. The aid should come with one condition
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:00 PM
Apr 2013

That condition being that Adair Grain Company pay back every last penny, and I don't care if it leaves Donald Adair homeless in his undies to do so. We MUST not let private companies make these kinds of messes and then expect the taxpayers to pick up the tab.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
51. I hope the Congresscritters from areas devastated by Sandy
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:17 PM
Apr 2013

Will remind Cruz, Cornyn, and the rest of the Texas delegation that voted "no" on disaster relief for them, that they will not be as cruel and vote "yes". I hope it goes in the congressional record.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
84. I agree.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

Because refusing aid is just holding a grudge and seeking "revenge", traits that are unworthy of us Liberals.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
53. put away the marbles... and think chess
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:36 PM
Apr 2013

Obama shows up like he did with Sandy.... Perry has the choice, show up or not, either way Perry's screwed... look what happened to Christie, he was not even invited to CPAC

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
54. Here Are the Republicans Who Voted ‘No’ on Hurricane Sandy Relief Funds
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:43 PM
Apr 2013

http://gawker.com/5973255/
From Texas:
Mike Conaway (R-TX)
Bill Flores (R-TX)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Kenny Marchant (R-TX)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Randy Weber (R-TX)
Roger Williams (R-TX)

Senators Cruz & Cornyn also voted against it.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
55. that asshole is on a mission to illinois to take our jobs
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:45 PM
Apr 2013

he`s telling illinois business that texas is a better place to do business. well ricky maybe you should shovel up the shit in your state before you start begging in others.

since his state basically supports itself off the federal government why should other states that get less than a dollar for every dollar sent to washington give him a fucking penny?

DearHeart

(692 posts)
114. His mission seems to be working! Heard this afternoon that IL lost 18,000 jobs last month
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:25 AM
Apr 2013

second only to OHIO. We're back up to 9.5% unemployment!

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
60. I remember the southern assholes voting against Sandy aid...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:09 PM
Apr 2013

I would say "fuck Texas," but unlike them, I'm willing to help another American in need... I take the high road, PLUS I get to hold it over their heads...

cactusfractal

(496 posts)
62. Here's an idea, Rick...
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 11:16 PM
Apr 2013

Fuck you, m'kay?

Fuck your secessionist bullshit, your catering to the mouthbreathing wavers of Lone Star flags, your absolute idiocy...

But most of all, fuck YOU.

I have said for a long time that I would not piss on you, Rick, if you were on fire. Today I wish it were you on fire and not the town of West. But it's Americans in pain whose only fault is that they are unlucky enough to live in a state helmed for nearly two decades now by utter fools. I won't let them suffer because you are a douchecanoe of the first magnitude. But let's make sure they know we aren't helping them because Rick "I'm too stupid to name the parts of government I hate" Perry asked for aid from the nation he holds in such disdain.

Yeah. Fuck you.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
65. His Pitch To California Employers, Come To Texas...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:07 AM
Apr 2013

...where we will not burden you with regulations designed to protect employee health and safety.

Diremoon

(86 posts)
66. Private company
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:11 AM
Apr 2013

I am sorry for the losses that so many suffered as a result of this accident. But I am sure that they were insured, and if they were insufficiently insured, they have assets that can be used to pay for the damage caused. I know that Rick Perry is used to asking people to turn around quick, but that won't work out side of Texas. There is no reason for them to get aid from the rest of us. The most I would give is my condolences and a nice card.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
68. So this is a request for foreign aid then. Being Ricky thinks Texas is an independent nation.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:32 AM
Apr 2013

Maybe Obama can arrange a loan from the World Bank.

auburngrad82

(5,029 posts)
75. I'm against giving any money to a state that is the home of Rick Perry and Ted Cruz.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:01 PM
Apr 2013

I feel bad for the people, but Cruz and Perry are anti-government so let them figure it out themselves.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
76. This is nowhere as big as Sandy was in NJ/NY and the cause was not nature, but a company
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:13 PM
Apr 2013

The first source of money should be that company and its insurers - and Texas should have required a reasonable level of insurance.


Seems their Congressmen and Senators were among those saying NJ and NY could afford to deal with it by themselves.


Are we sure that FEMA was not part of what Perry wanted to eliminate - after all he had trouble remembering.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
83. "Fork over that sweet, sweet federal sponduli
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

so I can get back to bashing you for being a Kenyan Muzzie Socialist Communazi."

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
89. Federal Aid? Federal Aid? We Texans don't need no stinkin' Federal Aid!
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:48 PM
Apr 2013

Rick Perry, pre-explosion in unregulated plant.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
105. Is a quick turnaround like the runaround they gave New Jersey?
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:48 PM
Apr 2013

Such hypocrites. I think he should ask Gov. Christie what he thinks.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
107. Federal Aid money should go directly to West, Texas to pay the direct bills.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 03:51 PM
Apr 2013

The Red Cross was there the first night. This is a town of 3,000 people. The Mayor should handle any Federal money granted.

The Corp. that blew up should have major insurance. When I googled them it said 50 million a year and 55 years in business. They listed 9 employees. Sue their insurance and the corp to recover some costs.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
110. Absolutely not.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:25 PM
Apr 2013

Privately owned company that was allowed to stay in operation by the state, after failure to comply with regulation.

This means the company, the company's insurance and the state should pay for it.

I mean, can't they just pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

Julie

icnorth

(1,015 posts)
118. We can't be positive
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 06:36 PM
Apr 2013

about FEMA Kama, I think it went something like this... "uh uhhh umm edjukashun....er... uuuuh....uuummm kommerce and... ahhhh ummmmm errrrrr uh... can't think of the third one right now..."

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
116. We should help them, we should help victims of Sandy
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:24 AM
Apr 2013

The people shouldn't be punished because their governor is a hypocrite.

Aquavit

(488 posts)
123. Privatize the gains, publicize the losses...
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:52 PM
Apr 2013

Sorry Ricky, but this isn't a natural disaster. This is solely the fault of your precious private enterprise. The private owners of the facility should be solely responsible for the costs of fixing this.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
125. Gosh, corporations are people, my friend
Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:25 PM
Apr 2013

Or, even if corporations were corporations, doesn't sound like a federal government problem to me. Hope the West Fertilizer Company had insurance. Lots of it.

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