Leaks reveal secrets of the rich who hide cash offshore
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Source: The Guardian
Offshore financial industry leak exposes identities of thousands of holders of anonymous wealth from around the world
Millions of internal records have leaked from Britain's offshore financial industry, exposing for the first time the identities of thousands of holders of anonymous wealth from around the world, from presidents to plutocrats, the daughter of a notorious dictator and a British millionaire accused of concealing assets from his ex-wife.
The leak of 2m emails and other documents, mainly from the offshore haven of the British Virgin Islands (BVI), has the potential to cause a seismic shock worldwide to the booming offshore trade, with a former chief economist at McKinsey estimating that wealthy individuals may have as much as $32tn (£21tn) stashed in overseas havens.
......The names have been unearthed in a novel project by the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists [ICIJ], in collaboration with the Guardian and other international media, who are jointly publishing their research results this week.
The naming project may be extremely damaging for confidence among the world's wealthiest people, no longer certain that the size of their fortunes remains hidden from governments and from their neighbours.
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/03/offshore-secrets-offshore-tax-haven
Much more here:
http://www.icij.org/offshore/secret-files-expose-offshores-global-impact
Given the size of the leak, its going to take a long time to sift through, but its already having huge repercussions!
Edited: Guardian changed the story title to "Leaks reveal secrets of the rich who hide cash offshore" from "Identities of the rich who hide cash offshore"
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Flatulo
(5,005 posts)anywhere near fully capitalized? I wouldn't be surprised if they're leveraged 100:1.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Even better though - just delete them.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)use it to buy up and then dissolve the worst sociopathic Wall St. banks, and so on.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)so prized - there was no documentation linking an individual to a numbered account. Thus, no proof.
I have a feeling the US media will want to ignore this story, but journalists like the Financial Times' Nicholas Shaxson and those at The Guardian or Al-Jazeera will investigate it fully, I'm sure.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Senator's husband put $1.7M in offshore tax havens
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/03/merchant-offshore-trust.html
MAD Dave
(204 posts)Currently disbarred for conduct unbecoming a lawyer. This is his third time for that. I live in Regina. If you need a ambulance chaser, call Tony!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)names on the list, but we are only seeing the names of people who are notorious and mostly names of people unpopular with the far right.
I would like to see a full list of the names of the Americans.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Same here. If you find a link, post it please.
MADem
(135,425 posts)CNBC and NY Times: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100619555
ABC and Associated Press: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/tax-haven-data-leak-names-names-raises-questions-18889929#.UWHlGZOG2So
CBS has put the story on its affiliate pages, but it isn't easy to find on the main page, if it is even there--they do have some other tax haven stories in their business section.
Even Faux Snooze has the story--though I won't link to them.
So, they've covered it--the real question is, will they continue to cover it? The son of Rick Warren and Roger Ebert deaths have taken up a good percentage of column inches and airtime in the last few days.
If they stay on this as more names come out, that would be a very good thing, indeed.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Pitchforks, torches, and guillotines.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)Now if only the tax dodgers who use the Cayman Islands were exposed. Tax havens should be illegal internationally. The rest of us who have to work for a living are supporting these self-serving motherfuckers.
Swagman
(1,934 posts)but technically off-shore while ordinary workers get slugged for full tax.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)who were controversial and unpopular with the righties to begin with.
You would expect it to contain the names of people like Romney or some big corporate CEOs. But their names are suspiciously absent from the articles.
Maybe it's just the British point of view of the articles.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)Not everyone who owns offshores is a crook.
A bit of irony?
siligut
(12,272 posts)Yes, it is ironic.
I can't help but wonder the ways civilization would benefit if psychopaths weren't allowed to hoard the wealth.
Purplehazed
(179 posts)Rush Bimbo was saying something to the effect that "those wacko liberals" keep claiming that the rich are able to hide their wealth in off shore tax shelters and he was asking " really, where are they?. Would somebody please just show him where tax dodgers hide there money, blah blah.
Well Mr Bimbo.........here's your sign.
siligut
(12,272 posts)The people who think if they don't know about it, it doesn't exist and if they can't understand it it is magical/a miracle/god's work.
Rush himself has off-shore accounts.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)SunSeeker
(51,554 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)and it's all TEXT!
Now THAT'S a data cache! Whew!
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)I got all excited to who was on it. Betcha Mr. 47% pukeface is on it.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)are in Dubai
PSPS
(13,597 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Although I can guess where it will end up in American media.....
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Not in the least bit surprised to see them on the list.
Huffpo link here :
The secret records obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists lay bare the names behind covert companies and private trusts in the British Virgin Islands, the Cook Islands and other offshore hideaways.
They include American doctors and dentists and middle-class Greek villagers as well as families and associates of long-time despots, Wall Street swindlers, Eastern European and Indonesian billionaires, Russian corporate executives, international arms dealers and a sham-director-fronted company that the European Union has labeled as a cog in Irans nuclear-development program.
The leaked files provide facts and figures cash transfers, incorporation dates, links between companies and individuals that illustrate how offshore financial secrecy has spread aggressively around the globe, allowing the wealthy and the well-connected to dodge taxes and fueling corruption and economic woes in rich and poor nations alike. The records detail the offshore holdings of people and companies in more than 170 countries and territories.
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ICIJs 15-month investigation found that, alongside perfectly legal transactions, the secrecy and lax oversight offered by the offshore world allows fraud, tax dodging and political corruption to thrive.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/offshore-companies-politicians_n_3008426.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Looking forward to reading the list of these weasels.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)so politically, what impact can we make this have? Economically, what changes can we incite?
We are being plunged into austerity, which actually makes no economic sense. The poor are being vilified and those with disability's and Seniors are fretting over their futures. Most of us are hurting in increasing amounts, (with no end in sight) while we swim in thick muck of deceptive propaganda and obvious manipulation.
Not much of the lines we are fed hold-up as well, if at all, when it becomes clear just how much we all pay for the sequestered, obese and protected wealth of a few.
The essential question becomes, how much tax liability are we talking in total? How much money has been pulled out and what would have been the result if the funds had provided revenue to our common needs and collective issues? After all, we collectively provide the commons, the infrastructure, that we regular folk pay dearly for and can't even afford to keep in good repair anymore. We pay, they flee and play?
In retrospect, just how much better would our lives and times be if the revenue had been paid fairly back into the system that spawned these crafty night flyers who are so rich they would to live for ages to be able to spend it all?
Are we to assume that the politicians inside this system and the media priests, (or anyone who has a large income and extensive holdings) are not insiders to the "special" financial structures that they use to take from us and squirrel away without having to incur any liability that even comes close to a fair share? The debates on how much the "obvious" money should be taxed are a huge and tragic joke on the rest of us and a series of slaps in the face of the kind that come from an abuser.
Really, tell me this is not known by those in the know. Tell me that the politicians and corporate Lords and media minions have been reading the news on this and wondering how such a thing could happen. I would have some real estate in Stockholm to sell to anyone who might want to nurture such a fantasy.
Some people follow the money and already have some idea about this scheme and the double-standard. However, now it is an in-your-face revelation that has sweeping implications about our financial policies and how the pie is being sliced. Our sliver is obviously a grand illusion and merely a matter of prestidigitation by the cunning.
If this does not provoke a transformation and an insistence on change with a focus on criminal form of distribution of wealth, then most of what we hear and see about who's arguing on which side is all nothing more than a game designed to keep us complacent and in a state of ignorance.
Now, being frustrated fools dancing in the dark is by choice. Fooled again? We'll see.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)Mentioned in the Guardian article, and it's causing Hollande problems:
Jean-Jacques Augier, who managed Mr Hollande's campaign funds, told the daily Le Monde that there was "nothing illegal" in his tax haven affairs.
...
On Wednesday President Hollande addressed the scandal on national television, saying that in future all ministers and MPs would have to declare fully their personal finances.
But the media is already questioning whether that is enough, the BBC's Christian Fraser reports from Paris.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22027376
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)will be between those who used tax avoidance schemes, due to lax taxation laws of their own relevant countries, and those who illegally evaded tax.
Be interesting to see who's who.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... know who in which group? How will we know what names on the lists were following every disclosure requirement and dutifully paid their taxes on the offshore income? And don't say that nobody does that, because I know for a fact that some do. (Me.) Or will the general public (wrongly) think that everyone on a list of people with an account in a tax haven is trying to avoid taxes, legally or illegally? I may be on that list, and I don't like being lumped in with the cheats and criminals.
Unlike most here, I believe you are financially sophisticated enough to realize that there are reasons to have offshore accounts other than to hide money and avoid taxes.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)You most likely will never know other than where charges are brought. I'm guessing there may be a number of behind closed door side deals done here. In the UK an amnesty was declared with regard to Channel Island accounts and those who put their hands up simply allowed to settle. The main benefit of "offshore income" is that interest which is paid gross. Not sure what the situation is the US : in the UK interest has to be paid by banks net of tax at the standard rate of 20%. Our banks issue certificates of tax paid which is then deducted by the individual their marginal rate when the return is filed - they then pay the balance to our HMRC. Not sure how companies treat it.
This explains general aspects with regard offshore stuff including perfectly legal reasons why some use them as per your last para.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_bank
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/04/offshore-secrets
reflection
(6,286 posts)I am going to rec this for the 'Joe Shlabotnik' reference. Thank you.
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)1Independent
(17 posts)This article should be the top headline!
This is huge--------- It might explain a great deal of reasons for international monetary problems.
Mitt Romney did not want his offshore tax-evading accounts exposed.....he had everything to hide. And, the Party of Stupids wanted the crook for President!
These offshore accounts may be the biggest leak since Wikileak was created....There is a difference between exposing national security secrets and exposing crooks......the former should be punished, the latter should be praised.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)marshall
(6,665 posts)Probably more than we care to guess about.
joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)primavera
(5,191 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Remember that number.
Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)choke on that money.Remember that this isn't their cleaned up money either.They disgust me
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)...or give pay raises because times are tough.
I'd like to see how many journalists are on that list, especially the ones that cover business news.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)dont rock the boat !!!! sometimes the damn boat needs rockin : ) ill and i have a feeling this will
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Initech
(100,075 posts)And live in obscene luxury at that. Yet this practice is actually encouraged by our "representatives". Where's the justice??
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)ever so dangerous. Justice flew out the window with democracies.
Initech
(100,075 posts)Under the guise of "white supremacy". And then the real criminals responsible for the creation of this hell hole are profiting handsomely off it, and using the money to buy politicians and judges to pass laws to fill their hell holes. They are the real terrorists in our society.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)and appoint the great ones to public office." ~~Aesop
yurbud
(39,405 posts)...and we call ourselves "civilized." That old adage is as true as it ever was "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
antigop
(12,778 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)I love it that the curtain is open on them...
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/04/03/canadian_senator_pana_merchants_lawyer_husband_stashed_17_million_offshore_cbc_says.html
Canadian Senator Pana Merchants lawyer husband stashed $1.7 million offshore, CBC says
450 Canadians have money stashed in offshore accounts, including lawyer Tony Merchant, CBC says
24601
(3,962 posts)everyone else? The hypocrisy factor will be bigger news than an avowed capitalist trying to make money.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Now if Obama's justice department would take some of this seriously.....
yurbud
(39,405 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)Baby Bush destroyed one of their key deceits, that the wealthy are somehow smarter, harder working, and more responsible than the rest of us and si deserve their wealth.
Without inherited wealth, no one would trust him to be Wal-mart greeter.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)To elaborate further - these offshore "tax havens" tend to be Crown dependencies - the last remnants of British Empire if you will - and this money does come in and out of London. They are not part of the European Union, have their own elected governments and leaders. They decide the tax rates. Those dependencies closer to America tie their currency with the US dollar, closer to Europe - it's tied with UK Sterling (pounds).
This information can be useful to governments everywhere - they can focus on the wealthy who are evading taxes.