Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:55 AM Apr 2013

Ohio man who sexually assaulted baby seeks mercy

Source: Associated Press

Posted on Tuesday, 04.02.13
Ohio man who sexually assaulted baby seeks mercy
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS
AP Legal Affairs Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A condemned Ohio killer is making an unusual plea for mercy ahead of his scheduled execution next month.

Attorneys for Steven Smith are arguing that while Smith intended to sexually assault his girlfriend's 6-month-old daughter, he never intended to kill the girl.

Smith's attorneys say evidence shows the baby died because Smith was too drunk to realize his sexual assault was killing the child.

Smith's attorneys say Ohio law is clear that a death sentence must involve an intent to kill the victim.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/02/3318757/ohio-man-who-sexually-assaulted.html#storylink=cpy


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/02/3318757/ohio-man-who-sexually-assaulted.html#storylink=cpy

105 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Ohio man who sexually assaulted baby seeks mercy (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2013 OP
I thought I was against the death penalty ...until now. nt kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #1
I know what you mean. pnwmom Apr 2013 #18
cases like this make it very hard. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #27
EXACTLY!! SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #49
Yes, but if you accept the death penalty now Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #62
I understand your dilema. I go through it, too when this type of case appears.... marble falls Apr 2013 #32
What a sicko LeftInTX Apr 2013 #2
And you know he will repeat this particular crime again, how? marble falls Apr 2013 #34
And you can guarantee that he won't, how? atreides1 Apr 2013 #51
I can't guarentee you won't, let's lock you up to be sure. What? You've never ever ..... marble falls Apr 2013 #74
But he DID do it, ergo he must be punished geek tragedy Apr 2013 #96
There's punishment and justice and then there's getting even and cruel and unsual ... marble falls Apr 2013 #97
It's not cruel and unusual to lock a murderer/rapist geek tragedy Apr 2013 #98
There is no firm data on recidivism rate for child molesters but professionals think it is near 100% fasttense Apr 2013 #58
Are you suggesting some new moral mzmolly Apr 2013 #68
because as soon as this kind of blind drunk drinks again his penis takes over Sunlei Apr 2013 #84
There is a special place in Hell for this man. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #3
I have to agree. He's been using oxygen for 15 years since he killed that baby. freshwest Apr 2013 #6
He has been polluting this earth far too long. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #10
Ah, no, he'll leave this life painlessly. Unlike that baby. See my reply below. freshwest Apr 2013 #12
See My suggestion to your answer for the remainder of his demented life. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #13
There is no such thing as hell, that's why we do our judgments here snooper2 Apr 2013 #43
I know intent is narrow in the law. But he wasn't doing it for her health. freshwest Apr 2013 #4
Capital punishment the is too kind. Incarcerate him with other rapist. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #11
No, he just needs to leave this plane of existance. We don't condone extra judicial punishments. freshwest Apr 2013 #14
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #15
I don't know that prisoners would hurt him, is what I'm saying. I'm not kind to him; I'm ice cold. freshwest Apr 2013 #19
I do agree with you. My anger over this behavior is rage_against_rape. In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #21
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get a warm reception from his fellow prisoners. Aristus Apr 2013 #54
Aristus, he's been in prison for 15 years already and he wants to spend his life there. Just sayin' freshwest Apr 2013 #64
My father was prison during my formative years... LanternWaste Apr 2013 #86
Again, Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #31
I'm with you 100%. It's cheaper to house an inmate for life when compared to all that is involved firenewt Apr 2013 #41
Absolutely! Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #61
I agree. Plus, life in prison would be much, much worse than death. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #85
The mercy of a quick death should be the extent of it. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #5
If this isn't a capital offense BainsBane Apr 2013 #7
No mercy... ReRe Apr 2013 #8
I turned against the death penalty LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #9
Yep Doctor_J Apr 2013 #36
Death penalty is about revenge - understandable, but still WRONG AAO Apr 2013 #44
The only mercy he deserves Andy Stanton Apr 2013 #16
The baby would have liked mercy also, were she old enough to speak. liberalla Apr 2013 #17
"I'm just a child rapist, not a cold-blooded murderer, Your Honor!" PolitFreak Apr 2013 #20
Almost just lost my breakfast. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #22
I may be alone on this but I oppose the death penalty across the board cali Apr 2013 #23
Pretty basic rule...thou shall not kill. peace13 Apr 2013 #38
It cheapens the value of life - same as the murderer did. AAO Apr 2013 #45
Bingo. n/t peace13 Apr 2013 #53
I oppose it too. But that's cold comfort sometimes. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2013 #95
if he doesn't get a swift death penalty, let him spend his life in a dark hole in solitary wordpix Apr 2013 #24
Life in solitary... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #28
I can think of a lot of things he deserves. historylovr Apr 2013 #25
Death is too merciful. riqster Apr 2013 #26
In this case, the death penalty IS mercy demwing Apr 2013 #29
mercy would be putting him to death madrchsod Apr 2013 #33
I think I'll leave that to God Doctor_J Apr 2013 #35
So why did your god allow or cause this in the first place? Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #76
Exactly Doctor_J Apr 2013 #77
Somehow I don't think that argument will hold water. peace13 Apr 2013 #37
Did he show the baby mercy? musical_soul Apr 2013 #39
Nothing will undo what he did moobu2 Apr 2013 #40
I really can't get my mind around someone who could look at a six month old baby girl Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #42
How do we know it wasn't oral sex? AAO Apr 2013 #46
I covered a story like that once (the baby didn't die, though) Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #99
How to show mercy to someone who has no idea of the polly7 Apr 2013 #47
I remember a case in D.C. years ago Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #100
Unreal. polly7 Apr 2013 #101
No deal. In principal opposed to the death penalty, but geek tragedy Apr 2013 #48
{{{{Little baby girl}}}} Helen Reddy Apr 2013 #50
He should be spared, removed from death row, and put into the prison's general population SDjack Apr 2013 #52
. Iggo Apr 2013 #55
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #56
......... Marrah_G Apr 2013 #57
Oh my GOD. I thought I opposed the death penalty. I want to oppose the death penalty. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #59
It's cheaper to incarcerate for life. In Florida the typical total cost to bring an execution... L0oniX Apr 2013 #60
I'm usually against the death penalty but people like this makes it very hard. Third Doctor Apr 2013 #63
Why are women with monsters like this? marshall Apr 2013 #65
Right, let's blame the mom... Samurai_Writer Apr 2013 #66
You misunderstand my question marshall Apr 2013 #70
no one can convince me that someone who would rape a 6-month old chooses to have such compulsions Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #67
He knew enough to do it when others mzmolly Apr 2013 #69
well it's not a normal thought process and I don't see how anyone would consciously choose to have Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #75
It's a choice. Thankfully it's an abnormal mzmolly Apr 2013 #88
I certainly have not compared it with tics and less serious compulsions. But I cannot in my wildest Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #89
If you are delighted by heinous desires mzmolly Apr 2013 #90
I would guess that most people like that live in a constant state of denial Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #91
I would guess that they look for an opportunity, mzmolly Apr 2013 #94
I think there are a very few exceptions, like this guy. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #72
In this case... AnneD Apr 2013 #71
I almost cracked my mouse reading that NickB79 Apr 2013 #73
the only mercy for him is lethal injection magical thyme Apr 2013 #78
I Agree Macoy51 Apr 2013 #81
Let him live with what he's done. killbotfactory Apr 2013 #79
He's been in prison for 15 years appealing the death sentence. No, he wants to llive. freshwest Apr 2013 #82
ugh. everything about this case is horrible. nt killbotfactory Apr 2013 #103
Agreed. freshwest Apr 2013 #104
If he gets the mercy of life, my response is that he should be physically castrated. ancianita Apr 2013 #80
Physical castration wouldn't help....rapists can rape with objects, not just their msanthrope Apr 2013 #92
I still think it's about eliminating the number of bullets in your arsenal. ancianita Apr 2013 #105
he layed on top of a baby for 3-5 mins and killed it. being drunk is no excuse for murder. Sunlei Apr 2013 #83
Ten to 30 minutes, according to the medical examiner. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #87
He pulled clumps of her hair out as he forced her face down, into a pillow, ripping off her diaper. msanthrope Apr 2013 #93
Let us Show Mercy Wolf Frankula Apr 2013 #102
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
30. Yes, but if you accept the death penalty now
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:48 AM
Apr 2013

then you also accept the innocent people who die as well. That is what makes the price of vengeance too high.

What the man did is heinous. An argument certainly can be made that killing him is too merciful. I want someone like this sitting in a a little box for the rest of his life.

Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #30)

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
32. I understand your dilema. I go through it, too when this type of case appears....
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:51 AM
Apr 2013

in the end the concept of an exception to a death penalty ban only makes it clearer how wrong the death penalty is. The fact the there is a case that argues for exception is proof shows that there will always be an exception case for someone and is argument that the death penalty will always be applied inequally. The death penalty is wrong. And life imprisonment without parole is a form of the death penalty. This is horrible stuff. It tests our values and notions.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
74. I can't guarentee you won't, let's lock you up to be sure. What? You've never ever .....
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:23 PM
Apr 2013

done anything like this before, well that guy never did anything like that before, either.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
96. But he DID do it, ergo he must be punished
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:42 PM
Apr 2013

and society must be protected from him.

Life without possibility of parole is more than reasonable. It's the bare minimum appropriate.

Lock him up, throw away the key.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
98. It's not cruel and unusual to lock a murderer/rapist
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:03 PM
Apr 2013

up for life so that he can never harm another person.

It's proportional to the crime, if anything mild compared to the heinous nature of the offense.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
58. There is no firm data on recidivism rate for child molesters but professionals think it is near 100%
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

The thing with child molester is they don't get caught often (there whole lives are arranged around getting an opportunity to have sex with a child) and when they do, the children they rape make terrible witnesses and so the rapist frequently does not get convicted.

"The problem with using recidivism rates to determine the rate of re-offending is readily apparent when considering the following example. If 100% of released molesters re-offended, but the rate of reporting is only 12%, and the conviction rate is half of this, than the recidivism rate would be reported as only 6%!"

When I worked in the field, it was well known that child molesters would re-offend if given the opportunity. Think of it this way, what would make you NOT want to have sex with an adult and be attracted to children? You have been attracted to adults all your life, you are not aroused by naked children, even when drunk. What would make you want to stop having sex with consenting adults and start having sex with children? Most normal people would say nothing would make them sexually attracted to a child. Yet these child rapists are expected to stop being attracted to children just because they went to jail for having sex (or murdering) a child.

"The dry research figures only confirm what I have seen over and over in this field: there are a lot of sexual offenses out there and the people who commit them don't get caught very often. When an offender is caught and has a thorough evaluation with a polygraph backup, he will reveal dozens, sometimes hundreds of offenses he was never apprehended for. In an unpublished study by Pamela Van Wyk, 26 offenders in her incarcerated treatment program entered the program admitting an average of 3 victims each. Faced with a polygraph and the necessity of passing it to stay in the treatment program, the next group of 23 men revealed an average of 175 victims each."
http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/rcd.html

So the odds are very, very good this child rapist would do it again if given the chance.


mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
68. Are you suggesting some new moral
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:43 PM
Apr 2013

code and/or impulse control mechanism would have prevented future such acts?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
43. There is no such thing as hell, that's why we do our judgments here
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:59 AM
Apr 2013

Anybody who rapes a child 10 or younger should be eliminated from society. Rabid humans, no need for them around.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. I know intent is narrow in the law. But he wasn't doing it for her health.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:41 AM
Apr 2013
And the link says this:

Prosecutors presented evidence at trial that Smith's attack lasted as long as 30 minutes, during which time Smith beat the girl to death.

An innocent, tiny, 6 month old baby who endured a half a hour of torture through raping a little body not built or capable in any way of handling or surviving that, plus he was beating her.

No doubt to stop her screams of terror and agony just that so he could continue to enjoy himself as much as he felt he deserved.

Sorry, I just found an exemption to my ideas on capital punishment. I'm not as good a person as some, is all I can say.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
11. Capital punishment the is too kind. Incarcerate him with other rapist.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:17 AM
Apr 2013
Prosecutors presented evidence at trial that Smith's attack lasted as long as 30 minutes, during which time Smith beat the girl to death.

An innocent, tiny, 6 month old baby who endured a half a hour of torture through raping a little body not built or capable in any way of handling or surviving that, plus he was beating her.


freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. No, he just needs to leave this plane of existance. We don't condone extra judicial punishments.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:22 AM
Apr 2013

Besides, he and the other rapists might enjoy swapping stories of what they did with each other. No, he simply needs to go. His defense now is particularly disgusting.

Response to freshwest (Reply #14)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. I don't know that prisoners would hurt him, is what I'm saying. I'm not kind to him; I'm ice cold.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:25 AM
Apr 2013

It's claimed rape victims don't want their rapist dead. I can tell you that is not always true. Some don't feel they will ever be safe again as long as their rapist lives.

I don't believe reports of how rapists are treated in prison and think it's a fantasy of those who read these in the news. He's been in prison for 15 years but it's so good he doesn't want to leave, huh. Speck, Gacy and others had great times in prison.

He just needs to leave, he's won't get better. The story says he still tries to blame alcohol for it all. Says he drank a dozen beers a day or more.

I was with a bunch of work guys one afternoon, we went out on Tuesdays. We had a big drinking thing one day. Yeah, dumb, anyway. It was big, nice place with music. We each had 24 beers and had to get rides home.

We didn't raise hell, didn't commit any crimes, weren't willing to drive drunk and hurt anyone, and no one was out to rape or beat anyone. His defense is total bullshit.

He admitted...

He intended to rape a 6 month old baby.

He intended to rape a 6 month old baby.

He intended to rape a 6 month old baby.

No matter how many times one says that with amazement, it's not human.

To hell with his ass. No, he doesn't get to hang out another 15 years with his pen pals. or 30, or 60.

The disclaimer to all that you and I or anyone else has written here, and whatever passions this may have aroused in us, it that we don't know anything more than the news has deigned to inform us with. We only have a limited set of paragraphs and quotes, and we may be wrong. But in the context of what we concieve to have happened here... you know?


In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
21. I do agree with you. My anger over this behavior is rage_against_rape.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:04 AM
Apr 2013

There is no justifiable excuse for what he decided to do.
I have no mercy for him or anyone like him.
I cannot_abide_rape of a child or anyone.
Obviously, this brings out the less than lovely side of me.
Obviously, news coverage is not_all_that_is known. Yellow_journalism_still_exist!

Aristus

(66,344 posts)
54. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get a warm reception from his fellow prisoners.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:06 AM
Apr 2013

Do you know how many men behind bars are fathers? They don't take kindly to child molesters and/or child murderers. Extra-judicial punishment may not be desirable from a standpoint of enlightened humanity, but I don't think any of us would be entirely wrong for wanting it to happen...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
64. Aristus, he's been in prison for 15 years already and he wants to spend his life there. Just sayin'
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013

I'm sorry I commented on this thread to begin with. Didn't feel well and couldn't sleep and got upset. I don't generally comment on these and don't certainly don't want our system to be any worse than it is.

So this morning's take from me, as if it really mattered, is he can spend life in prison. I suspect the light of day has made others unhappy with sentiments they expressed last night.

But I don't believe he's going to mind, since he obviously wants that. Just my humble internet opinion, speculating as we all do.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
86. My father was prison during my formative years...
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 11:55 AM
Apr 2013

My father was prison during my formative years until I was just out of middle school (approximately seven years-- half in state, the other half in fed).

There's not (or certainly wasn't at the time) any special treatments nor punishments set out by other prisoners against any one type of criminal behavior-- it was merely a pecking order predicated on both personal strength and gang affiliation that decided who and why one prisoner or another met with any violence.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
31. Again,
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:50 AM
Apr 2013

if we are going to have the death penalty, then we are going to execute innocent people. In fact, we already have.

So, how many innocent deaths are acceptable to have our "pound of flesh"?

 

firenewt

(298 posts)
41. I'm with you 100%. It's cheaper to house an inmate for life when compared to all that is involved
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:54 AM
Apr 2013

in an execution. You can sentence a person to life and later release if the conviction is overturned. If you kill him or her, best you can do is "sorry, my bad". Not a very good trade off. Forty years ago one of my college minors was the philosophy of crime and punishment. It was apparent how the attitude toward incarceration in the US morphed from rehabilitation to revenge. Nothing has changed. If fact it has gotten worse.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
7. If this isn't a capital offense
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:55 AM
Apr 2013

nothing is. I'm against the death penalty, but of all the guys asking for mercy, this is the LAST one I'd grant it to.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
36. Yep
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:02 AM
Apr 2013

if only it could be administered fairly and without error. But that will never happen, so...

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
44. Death penalty is about revenge - understandable, but still WRONG
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:00 AM
Apr 2013

It makes the revengee happy, but hurts society greatly. Do not Kill - OR we'll KILL YOU!!

liberalla

(9,247 posts)
17. The baby would have liked mercy also, were she old enough to speak.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:54 AM
Apr 2013

What a monster.

I'm generally against the death penalty, but I won't complain too loudly when this guy receives his... (penalty)

 

PolitFreak

(236 posts)
20. "I'm just a child rapist, not a cold-blooded murderer, Your Honor!"
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:34 AM
Apr 2013

I hope they inject him through the eye.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. I may be alone on this but I oppose the death penalty across the board
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:48 AM
Apr 2013

and that means opposing the dp for this man and this heinous crime.

I wish I could explain why I'm so unwaveringly opposed to the dp: Partly it's because I know that innocent people have been killed. Partly it's because I'm opposed to the state killing. And partly it's just a visceral inchoate feeling that I can't coherently explain.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
38. Pretty basic rule...thou shall not kill.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:34 AM
Apr 2013

I pick and choose from the smorgasbord of Christianity but this one makes my plate. When we decide who lives and dies ...well that is pretty out there.





wordpix

(18,652 posts)
24. if he doesn't get a swift death penalty, let him spend his life in a dark hole in solitary
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:52 AM
Apr 2013

down, down in the darkest prison basement

riqster

(13,986 posts)
26. Death is too merciful.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:33 AM
Apr 2013

Put him in chains and make him mine mercury with hand tools, or something equally horrific. Let him suffer: no, make damned sure he suffers.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
76. So why did your god allow or cause this in the first place?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:25 PM
Apr 2013

If there is an all-powerful deity pulling strings, why does it condone or cause misery for humans on this planet?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
77. Exactly
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:46 PM
Apr 2013

the same God who let his heinous crime happen can protect him in prison. Good luck with that

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
40. Nothing will undo what he did
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:47 AM
Apr 2013

So, I cant see why we should act just like him and and do something vile and inhuman. I mean, what would it solve to kill the guy? nothing.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
42. I really can't get my mind around someone who could look at a six month old baby girl
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:56 AM
Apr 2013

and decide to stick his dick in her. I really just don't get it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
99. I covered a story like that once (the baby didn't die, though)
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:11 PM
Apr 2013

guy was a drifter, a half-insane drug addict...

but this was a shitty neighborhood with broken homes, a young, dumb mom who didn't know any better so she was just happy to have someone watch the baby while she worked and ran errands even though she just barely knew the guy...

In case you're wondering, the guy got life, iirc (he had a list of previous drug/theft crimes on his record)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
47. How to show mercy to someone who has no idea of the
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:09 AM
Apr 2013

meaning of the word? I don't believe in the DP, but cases like these almost wish I did. I wonder if he spends every waking moment suffering over the horror of what he did to that tiny infant - very doubtful. In a just world, he'd never have a single night sleep not haunted by the sight and screams of that baby. Horrible, disgusting human being.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
100. I remember a case in D.C. years ago
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:27 PM
Apr 2013

two teenagers invaded a couple's townhouse on a Friday evening, made the man pull cash out of the ATM, came back home, beat the man to within an inch of his life, tied him up and made him watch while they took turns raping his fiancee (and probing her with several objects), which went on nonstop until Sunday night...Then the two boys grabbed the valuables and left...

But they were caught, convicted and on sentencing day, oh my lord these two demons had a line of people a mile long begging the judge for leniency...parents, relatives, neighbors, teachers, coaches, their preacher all speaking endlessly on what "good boys" they were...

polly7

(20,582 posts)
101. Unreal.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:37 PM
Apr 2013

What a terrible story. It's just unfathomable to me that anyone, I don't care how close they are to these people, could expect leniency for such cruelty. And a preacher, even?! I guess with supporters like this, it's more understandable they grew up to be the horrors they are. Awful!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
48. No deal. In principal opposed to the death penalty, but
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:11 AM
Apr 2013

if we're going to have it, "I raped the baby to death instead of trying to murder it" is not going to work as a defense.

 

Helen Reddy

(998 posts)
50. {{{{Little baby girl}}}}
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:41 AM
Apr 2013

I am refusing to give any of my energy to the rapist. All of my focus and light will be for the little baby and her family, as well as all the other little baby girls who are in similar horrendous situations.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
52. He should be spared, removed from death row, and put into the prison's general population
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:58 AM
Apr 2013

so he can have the rest of his "natural" life to reflect.

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
59. Oh my GOD. I thought I opposed the death penalty. I want to oppose the death penalty.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:20 PM
Apr 2013

I really want to. But this is about the hardest I have ever had to struggle to do so.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
60. It's cheaper to incarcerate for life. In Florida the typical total cost to bring an execution...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:24 PM
Apr 2013

is over 4 million. @ 35k per year it is cheaper to give them life without parole.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
63. I'm usually against the death penalty but people like this makes it very hard.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:45 PM
Apr 2013

In this instance I don't care either way. If Ohio upholds the sentence I will not shed a tear. Neither will I say he needs to be given a life sentence.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
65. Why are women with monsters like this?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:58 PM
Apr 2013

With a six month old daughter in her care, this woman should have been far more circumspect in who she chooses to take into her home and her bed.

Samurai_Writer

(2,934 posts)
66. Right, let's blame the mom...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:08 PM
Apr 2013

Because child molesters are so well known to be honest and forthcoming about their 'proclivities'. Most of them don't have criminal backgrounds. Most of them hold jobs, pay bills, and seem to be 'regular guys'. Exactly HOW was she supposed to know this guy wanted to rape babies?

marshall

(6,665 posts)
70. You misunderstand my question
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:12 PM
Apr 2013

Although I realize that many out there would blame the mother, that is not my point nor my intent.

I wonder what there is about a man like this that makes him seem okay. At the very least, it seems that his drinking 12 beers a day would be a big red flag (but I'm not a drinker, so maybe I'm not looking at it fairly).

I think we as a society owe it to women like Kaysha Frye to examine situations like this and learn all we can, so that all efforts can be taken to prevent such future events.

One can understand without placing blame.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
67. no one can convince me that someone who would rape a 6-month old chooses to have such compulsions
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:13 PM
Apr 2013

such a person is not right in the head

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
75. well it's not a normal thought process and I don't see how anyone would consciously choose to have
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:17 PM
Apr 2013

such compulsions. The vast overwhelming majority of people will never in their life experience even the slightest fleeting temptation to want to rape a baby. Whatever micro-percentage of the population there is that does feel tempted to do something like that -most either have strong enough will power to resist or the compulsion is not strong enough to ensnare them. The whole point I am getting at - I don't think people who are driven by such compulsions ever choose to have such compulsions and I doubt that anyone would choose to have such compulsions if they did have a choice. It goes without saying that this is very sad for the baby and the baby's family. That is assumed. It is also sad that some people are driven by heinous compulsion which they likely did not choose to have and would not have chosen to have if having such compulsions were a matter of conscious choice.

mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
88. It's a choice. Thankfully it's an abnormal
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:36 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:46 PM - Edit history (1)

choice.

Seriously. I have a family member with tics and actual compulsions.

Please don't compare the two.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
89. I certainly have not compared it with tics and less serious compulsions. But I cannot in my wildest
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:38 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:46 PM - Edit history (1)

imagination conceive that anyone consciously chooses to have absolutely unnatural heinous desires that they know beyond any doubt will destroy themselves as assuredly as it would destroy others. I don't know how one can know whether a person such as this one is able to turn off their desires even if they choose to. But given that this involves something they would assuredly know would destroy their own lives, disgrace themselves way beyond the slightest hope of society's eventual forgiveness even as it ends the life in the most brutal of fashions of someone absolutely innocent - I would tend to doubt they had very much ability if any ability to turn off these dark and sinister forces that were driving them.

If one considered less heinous but nonetheless very serious crimes such as robbing a bank or killing for revenge - it is possible for a normal person to imagine the motivation. It is possible for a normal person to conceive of why someone might want to do such a thing especially if they were in a state of desperation or grave misfortune. But since this involves actions that no normal person would ever under any circumstances want to do - no matter their state of desperation or how painful life has treated them - I am left to conclude that a genuine pathology of some sort must be at work - a pathology that no one would consciously choose to have.

mzmolly

(50,992 posts)
90. If you are delighted by heinous desires
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 04:56 PM
Apr 2013

and don't seek help, you've made a conscious choice. If you have such desires and place yourself around babies, you've made a choice.

There is a book called Imp Of The Mind, that helps one distinguish between obsessive bad thoughts and the choice I noted above.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
91. I would guess that most people like that live in a constant state of denial
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:03 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:47 PM - Edit history (1)

I would guess that they probably do not know themselves very well and may have convinced themselves that they do not have such desires. It is not usual for people to create walls of denial over far less serious matters.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
72. I think there are a very few exceptions, like this guy.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:02 PM
Apr 2013

Gimme a few seconds with this fucking jerk-off and he'd wish he'd never even thought about hurting that poor baby.....and what makes it all so much worse is that he beat her on top of that.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
71. In this case...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:42 PM
Apr 2013

granting mercy would be Godly, but I 'm not God, nor even pretend to be. Justice is the one thing you should always find in this lifetime. This child's life cannot be brought back and she died a horrendous death.

This really is beyond the pale and claiming alcohol is no defense. Time for him to man up (probably for the first time in his life) and accept responsibility for what he has done.

I firmly believe in giving folks facing the death penalty every opportunity to defend themselves, but guilty is guilty. Here in Texas, I don't think he would have lasted this long.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
73. I almost cracked my mouse reading that
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:53 PM
Apr 2013

I need to go hit the gym and find a heavy bag now to work out some of this fury.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
78. the only mercy for him is lethal injection
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:56 PM
Apr 2013

It's not about vengeance. That would be served by locking him in a tiny cell.
It's not about justice. Putting him in the general prison population would provide justice.
It's not about punishment, because no punishment is enough and none will undo what he has done.

It's about removing him from society permanently so he can never, ever, ever hurt any little baby again. No chance of parole. No chance of escape. As long as he is alive, he is a permanent danger to society.

He only meant to rape? A 6 month old infant? Put him down. Euthanize him. Just get him off this planet for good.

 

Macoy51

(239 posts)
81. I Agree
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 07:38 AM
Apr 2013

I am not much for revenge fantasies; he should be killed quickly and painlessly. Nothing personal, society is just better off with out a person who could rape and beat a 6 month old to death.


Macoy

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
80. If he gets the mercy of life, my response is that he should be physically castrated.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:18 AM
Apr 2013

If rape is a war crime, and rapists rape for shows of power, then rapers of children should lose their weapons.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
92. Physical castration wouldn't help....rapists can rape with objects, not just their
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:44 PM
Apr 2013

genitalia. Rapists who are unable to perform do just that.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
105. I still think it's about eliminating the number of bullets in your arsenal.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:17 AM
Apr 2013

Not all castrated rapists even have the drive to do it anymore. Check the study done in the Czech Republic.

"...According to Dr. Martin Hollý, director of the Psychiatric Hospital Bohnice in Prague, none of the nearly 100 sex offenders who had been physically castrated had committed further offenses.[39] One serial offender stated that being castrated was the "best decision" he ever made: "On the one hand you have to protect the potential victims and on the other hand I wanted to be protected from myself, I wanted to live like a normal person."[40] Don Grubin, a professor at Newcastle University's Institute of Neuroscience who also runs a chemical castration program backed by the U.K.'s Ministry of Justice, was initially opposed to physical castration. After visiting the Czech Republic, however, he agreed that some form of castration might be of benefit to some sex offenders..."

Also: "...A study conducted at a mental institution in Kansas, where a large number of male inmates had been castrated, found that the eunuchs lived an average of 14 years longer than the uncastrated men.[52] A similar study of historical eunuchs in Korea's royal court found a 14 to 19 year increase in lifespan compared to intact men of similar socioeconomic background; these eunuchs had a centenarian rate of over 3%.[53]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
87. Ten to 30 minutes, according to the medical examiner.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:13 PM
Apr 2013


Voluntary intoxication is not a defense to murder or manslaughter. That's what I learned in law school in Criminal Law and Criminal Procedure, anyway.

He also had the presence of mind to hide some of the baby's clothing in a garbage bag and attempt to throw it away after the police were called, thus showing awareness of guilt and an attempt to dispose of damning evidence.

He's also not innocent. We have irrefutable proof that he murdered this baby in the totality of the evidence.

I read the appellate court's opinion in response to his allegations of reversible error at trial. It was pretty sketchy in its descriptions of the deceased's injuries, but was quite sickening anyway.

State of Ohio v. Smith, Supreme Court of Ohio, Appellate Judgment, December 13, 2002:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/oh-supreme-court/1066003.html


I did NOT get my law degree at Costco, unlike Frito Pendejo.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
93. He pulled clumps of her hair out as he forced her face down, into a pillow, ripping off her diaper.
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 05:57 PM
Apr 2013

He then attempted penetration in her anus and vagina, and kept holding her down as she fought him.

The details are not sketchy...they show that he moved with purpose and intent.

It took her a long, long time to die.

I think the death penalty is a horrible thing, but I won't shed a friggin' tear for this piece of filth.

Wolf Frankula

(3,600 posts)
102. Let us Show Mercy
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:02 PM
Apr 2013

Let his execution be quick and sure. It would be cruel to let him live and put him in the genpop of a prison and make book on how long he'll live.

But if that is done, put me down for 2 hours.

Wolf

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Ohio man who sexually ass...