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alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:03 AM Mar 2013

Italian Supreme Court to rule whether Amanda Knox should be retried

Source: CNN

Knox, who is not in Italy for the hearing, is confident in the Italian legal system and hopes one day to return to Italy as a free woman, her lawyer, Luciano Ghirga, said Monday.

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Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/25/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox-case/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



Nom nom nom...

I can think of one person who is well-advised not to return to Italy, like, ever.
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Italian Supreme Court to rule whether Amanda Knox should be retried (Original Post) alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 OP
and I hope one day to win Power Ball... nt COLGATE4 Mar 2013 #1
I am not a lawyer Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #2
The process is much different in Italy alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #3
That's what I figured Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #4
I would recommend she doesn't go to Vegas. graham4anything Mar 2013 #6
Not quite so. dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #5
She is out of Italy right? NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #8
Yes she's back home and yes I doubt the US would extradite her. dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #9
It would probably help by providing more publicity. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #12
And THAT is why Americans are generally reviled world wide. TheMadMonk Mar 2013 #16
I do believe that our double jeopardy standard is superior. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #18
In the US, a prosecutor that was under investigation Chakab Mar 2013 #20
What a bullshit post. Americans are NOT generally reviled worldwide. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #21
As shown by the antics of the prosecutor in this trial geek tragedy Mar 2013 #7
Well, that is true quite often in this country, too. Justice depends on how much 1monster Mar 2013 #10
Knox's prosecutor was himself prosecuted for geek tragedy Mar 2013 #11
Probably true, but, having been told by two criminal prosecutors that police lie all the 1monster Mar 2013 #13
Ah the pretty girl murder trial is always a ratings grabber . olddots Mar 2013 #14
She spent all that time learning Italian and now it is useless. FreeBC Mar 2013 #15
She takes it slow, Italian is understood wherever Spanish is spoken. /nt TheMadMonk Mar 2013 #17
For anyone really wanting to learn some fascinating details about the Prosecutor that is after her.. Pachamama Mar 2013 #19
An opposing view to the fan club from CNN: TM99 Mar 2013 #22

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
2. I am not a lawyer
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:13 AM
Mar 2013

much less an expert on Italian law, but it appears to me that retrying Amanda Knox is double jeopardy, since she has already been acquitted. Therefore, if she is tried in absentia and found guilty, the US government would be under no obligation to honor any request for extradition. Again, JMO.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
3. The process is much different in Italy
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:16 AM
Mar 2013

Acquittals there are just as subject to reversal as convictions.

It doesn't really matter, as there's no way the US will extradite her even if she is retried and convicted in absentia.

Cirque du So-What

(25,941 posts)
4. That's what I figured
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:20 AM
Mar 2013

Even if she's acquitted in this appeal, I would recommend that Ms. Knox never EVER set foot in Italy again.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
5. Not quite so.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:21 AM
Mar 2013

Their Supreme court considers only aspects of law which in this specific instance relates to evidence which was allowed to used when she was found not guilty on appeal. If they find for the prosecution who have brought this case then that trial will be completely voided and the guilty verdict from the first trial be allowed to stand. Thereafter there is no appeal.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
8. She is out of Italy right?
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:31 AM
Mar 2013

I'd like to think the US would refuse to extradite her when it's an obvious violation of our values and rights. And many Americans have serious doubts that she is guilty.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
9. Yes she's back home and yes I doubt the US would extradite her.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:40 AM
Mar 2013

Don't change the fact that a change of verdict could disturb the bundles she was predicted to make out of a book , film whatever on the subject quite aside from never being able to travel to Europe again - not that I believe she was ever likely to have done so. That kind of celebrity status isn't quite the same as us having Monica Lewinski here doing her masters degree at the LSE for a while.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. It would probably help by providing more publicity.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:34 PM
Mar 2013

At the same time, it would be another black eye for Italy.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
16. And THAT is why Americans are generally reviled world wide.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:15 PM
Mar 2013

That attitude of superiority.

The idea that American beliefs and values are universal truths, that always trump such pesky little things as facts and the opinions of others.

That self assumed right to interfere in the affairs of others.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
20. In the US, a prosecutor that was under investigation
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:13 PM
Mar 2013

for abuse of office would not be allowed to continue trying cases. Call me an ugly American, but after reading about the Knox case and a few others recently, Italy's criminal justice system seems like a bad joke.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. What a bullshit post. Americans are NOT generally reviled worldwide.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:21 PM
Mar 2013

Much of the world has objections to US foreign policy, but individual Americans are not hated as you like to pretend.

Moreover, the US is under no obligation to honor a conviction that stomped all over the idea of due process, right down to tainted evidence and a prosecutor who was criminally charged for abusing his office.

If Mike Nifong had been allowed to prosecute cases after being disbarred, you might have had a point.

Instead, it's just relativistic nonsense.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. As shown by the antics of the prosecutor in this trial
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:27 AM
Mar 2013

due process is more of a figure of speech in Italy.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
10. Well, that is true quite often in this country, too. Justice depends on how much
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:27 PM
Mar 2013

money you have. If you have lots, then you have a better chance at "justice" than if you have none. In the second case, the chance of receiving justice is extremely slim.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Knox's prosecutor was himself prosecuted for
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:33 PM
Mar 2013

criminal abuse of his office, yet he was allowed to remain in his position.

The DA in the Duke Lacrosse case was forced out of office and disbarred. This guy is still engaging in his Robespierresque antics.

The US system has its issues, but Italy's is a joke.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
13. Probably true, but, having been told by two criminal prosecutors that police lie all the
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:39 PM
Mar 2013

time, and neither seemed to think it was any kind of issue, I tend to think that there is no such thing as "justice" in our "due process" syetem here, and probably in the world.

I have more faith in karma than the criminal justice system of the United States.

 

FreeBC

(403 posts)
15. She spent all that time learning Italian and now it is useless.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:41 PM
Mar 2013

She can never risk going back to the one place they speak it. She should have gone to Spain instead. People speak Spanish all over the world.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
19. For anyone really wanting to learn some fascinating details about the Prosecutor that is after her..
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 03:36 PM
Mar 2013

I suggest reading "the monster of Florence" by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi....

Its about the murders in Tuscany that went on for a decade and the investigation and trials led by the Prosecutor of Perugia, Giuliano Mignini....the very same Prosecutor who went after (and continues to go after) Amanda Knox....

Mignini is the key to all this and understanding of this disaster....the man is simply obsessed with the concept of satanic cults and worship....one of his biggest reasons for why he felt Amanda Knox was guilty and what he claimed, was that she was part of some kind of sex-satanic worship and that her murdered roommate was her sacrifice.....bizarre shit, but it is very illuminating and insightful when you understand more of the background of Giuliano Mignini, the Prosecutor who is determined to get her and her ex-boyfriend who were charged, found guilty, then acquitted.

I have followed this case with curiousity and fascination because I had happened to read this book about a totally separate case involving famous crimes that the very same Prosecutor was involved in.

IMHO, and after much reading and investigating, I believe that Amanda Knox is innocent and that while there is sadly a murdered girl whose family still grieves, the murderer was actually caught (even confessed) and was ignored by the Prosecutor Mignini, because Mignini is mentally unstable, literally, obsessed with his theories of satanic cults and worship, and it is consuming him. Unfortunately, both for Amanda and Raffiello her boyfriend, the Italian legal systema nd the various police entities are so messed up, that a crazy mentally unstable prosecutor can keep this going.

Seriously....for a fascinating read, dont bother to start reading about Amanda Knox, start with this book by Doug Preston and then take a look at the Amanda Knox case.....

See this interview with Doug Preston explaining what happened to him, even as this famed writer investigated these murders....

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=douglas+preston+monster+of+florence&view=detail&mid=0130DDC47B756C2008450130DDC47B756C200845&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
22. An opposing view to the fan club from CNN:
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:50 AM
Mar 2013
But Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said that Italian prosecutors might very well extradite Knox. And, if retried, she "likely will be found guilty -- because the evidence supporting a conviction is pretty strong."

"One issue is why the American media portrayed her in such positive terms," he said. "At best, she was a terrible person who tried to blame it on some innocent person and she was clearly a liar, and at worst she participated in a horrible murder, and the American media focused much more on Amanda Knox than on the victim of the case because Amanda Knox was prettier and an American and an American sweetheart."

Had she been ugly, he argued, the case would have attracted little attention.



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