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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:23 AM Mar 2013

Syrian opposition leader resigns

Source: al jazeera

Ahmed Moaz Al Khatib, Syria's opposition leader, has announced his resignation from the National Coalition, his spokesman told Al Jazeera.

Mohamed Ali said the resignation followed Saturday's meeting with the European Union, 'which resulted in achieving nothing'.

In a statement released on his facebook page on Sunday, Al Khatib confirmed his resignation.

"I announce my resignation from the National Coalition, so that I can work with a freedom that cannot possibly be had in an official institution," Khatib said in the statement.

Read more: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/03/2013324114456241229.html

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Syrian opposition leader resigns (Original Post) dipsydoodle Mar 2013 OP
So, do we Drone him now or just send him down the street to the Qatar tent to pick up his check? leveymg Mar 2013 #1
I'll bet he blaked . . . another_liberal Mar 2013 #2
You seem to know John2 Mar 2013 #5
Iraq? Challenger1 Mar 2013 #7
Right you are. another_liberal Mar 2013 #12
They're in disarray over there. They don't like their new PM from America either. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #3
Syrian rebels--good at some things, not so good at others Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #4
Is the Syrian government also good at some things, not so good at others? pampango Mar 2013 #6
Well put. RiverNoord Mar 2013 #8
You look at John2 Mar 2013 #9
The Syrian government has committed war crimes. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #10
The way some John2 Mar 2013 #11
But will either ever catch up to Bush/Cheney? daleo Mar 2013 #13

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. So, do we Drone him now or just send him down the street to the Qatar tent to pick up his check?
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:37 AM
Mar 2013

Who are the "moderates" we're supposed to be aiding, anymore?

This seems worse than a futile undertaking.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
2. I'll bet he blaked . . .
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:49 AM
Mar 2013

I'll bet he balked at publicly breaking with the rebel groups which support the establishment of sharia law in Syria. He likely also refused to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish Nation State.

When will we learn? We have to first invade and occupy them before they'll agree to recognize Israel.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
5. You seem to know
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:06 PM
Mar 2013

a lot about these rebel groups? I've looked at the groups and don't see any of them that support Israel. The groups that I see are all mainly Sunni, supported by mainly Sunni dominated Arab countries and Salafists from Saudi Arabia. The Kurds have their own independent group supported by factions from Turkey. Turkey is involved because they have an interest among their own population.

On the Syrian side, the groups are mostly Shia and Alawites. Hizzbullah, the PLO and Iran are all involved. That probably includes the Shiite dominated government in Iraq also. They are still fighting the Sunni in Iraq. So you have to wonder what the U.S. is really trying to accomplish in the Middle East because it looks like a deadend street to me. The best solution for the United States is to go back to square one and try to clean up the mess they created with the original Palestinian Mandate. That is what the get for sticking their noses where it didn't belong in the first place. They should have never armed any group to give them a military edge in the first place which was the biggest concern of the bipartisan commisson authorized by the British in 1946 after World War II but the United States had to have their way. That commission was very concerned it would blow up the Middle East and cause World War III. If they attack Iran to protect Israel, it may happen. The dominoes exist when you are also saber rattling at North Korea also which would bring in China and probably Russia too. U.S. leaders need to start looking at the entire environment for the long term instead of knee jerk short term goals advocated by holier than thou rightwing nuts in its own country. And that is exactly what they have been doing ever since this country first obtained the capability of nuclear weapons. They want to bomb everybody that don't agree with them.

 

Challenger1

(14 posts)
7. Iraq?
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:52 PM
Mar 2013

Well...Iraq was "liberated" and now that it's "free and democratic" still refuses to recognise israel, so that obviously went well.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
3. They're in disarray over there. They don't like their new PM from America either.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 12:46 PM
Mar 2013

Who exactly are we supposed to arm, and/or support with our military? There has to be a plan beyond "Assad must go"--if these rebel forces can't get their shit together and can't keep out the crazies and terrorists, then leave the whole fucking mess alone.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. Syrian rebels--good at some things, not so good at others
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 12:53 PM
Mar 2013

Good at terrorist bombings, executing prisoners, and criminality.

Not so good at forming a political front.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. Is the Syrian government also good at some things, not so good at others?
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:29 PM
Mar 2013

The bombing and shelling of urban neighborhoods could be considered 'terrorist bombings' or do only car bombs and suicide bombers qualify?

I would bet that the government has executed more prisoners since this started two years ago.

I do agree that the opposition is not very good at forming a political front. If there are historical examples of people revolting against kings and dictators and forming inclusive political fronts while the fighting is going on, we should show them to the Syrian opposition.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
8. Well put.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 02:00 PM
Mar 2013

It seems to me that most of DU commenters (except John2) on the conflict assume that it's all about a bunch of evil jihadi terrorists who are going to take over the country and establish some sort of 'al-Qaeda' haven.

The reality is that the situation is a mess, as civil wars usually are, with many factions, including essentially foreign professional mercenaries motivated by extreme Sunni Muslim religious perspectives. There is no unified command and control among the rebels - the infrastructure of the country has been devastated by regime bombing and there are disparate rebel groups concentrating on two things - holding the ground they've got and taking the rest from regime forces.

We may have an opportunity to prevent a great deal more death and destruction before this conflict reaches the 'fall of the regime' stage, and if that is the case, I believe we should be prepared to do so.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
9. You look at
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 02:17 PM
Mar 2013

the Syrian Government exactly the same way George W. Bush looked at Saddam. I have a different view though. The Syrian Government is controlled by the minority Alawite population over the majority Sunni population, much the same way Saddam was a Sunni and held control over the Shiite majority.

I see the same Western influences in both countries which allowed both situations to occur. In both cases, I see where both minorities were armed by outside influences to control the majority in the past because of their more liberal sectarian policies towards the West. The Alawites control the military and they were mostly trained by France. It was the same way with Saddam and also the same with the former Shah of Iran. They oppressed the majority to stay in power with approval of the West. I've also read some reports, where our Government under George W. Bush sent captives from the War in Iraq and Afghanistan to Assad's Government for interrogation methods that were illegal by this country. Assad's Government also were aligned with the Arab states that helped in the Persian Gulf War. Apparently their use has ran out now.

The opposition in revolt see themselves as freedom fighters, much like the Palestinians and their Intifada. The fault line that is being used by the West, are the feuding sects in the Muslim religion between Shia Law, Sharia Law and Salafists. It would be similar to Divide and Conquer, as long as it continues. What could unite them all would be an attack by Israel on a country like Iran. It depends on whose shoes you are in. What appears a Terrorist attack from the West point of view could be seen as a civil conflict from both sides with different views. Before Israel became a state, British considered Jews fighting for their freedom Terrorists. They did the same with the Irish. The only way Assad has held on is because the majority of his sect support him. I read in an article about Alawite groups not even affiliated with the Syrian military committing what some people in the Press call War crimes. And if you look at past conflicts such as the dropping of nukes on Japan, bombing Germany in World War II, or evening using Drone attacks today in a War, it depends on which side you are on. Both sides to win public support by gaining moral justification. The way I see it though from a General like Tecumseh Sherman's point of view, there is no such thing as a clean War. Once you commit yourself to violent acts, by definition War is Hell and they all bring Terror.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
11. The way some
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 02:41 PM
Mar 2013

people in the Western media are talking, some of these groups are affiliated with Al Qaeda. It would be news to some if they are trying to catch up.

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