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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:26 AM Mar 2013

Pope urges dialogue with Islam, says world must do more for poor

Source: Reuters

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis urged the West on Friday to intensify dialogue with Islam and appealed to the world to do more to combat poverty.

The new pontiff made his appeal in an address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican, sending a message through them to the leaders of the more than 170 countries with which the Vatican has diplomatic relations.

Speaking in Italian, he also made another impassioned appeal for the defense of the poor and of the environment, saying richer countries should fight what he called "the spiritual poverty of our times" by re-forging links with God.

"How many poor people there still are in the world! And what great suffering they have to endure!" he told the diplomats in the Vatican's frescoed Sala Regia.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/pope-urges-dialogue-islam-says-world-must-more-103919637.html

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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
1. How refreshing. A world leader who cares for the 99-percent.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:47 AM
Mar 2013

Wish we had more like him, especially in the United States.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. Please deduct from that 99% the LGBT people he cares only to hinder and to lible
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:55 AM
Mar 2013

It is offensive to be counted as one he cares about while he also slanders my loved ones and family. He says my family is an attack on God. You find that refreshing but it makes me think of pogroms and pyres.

 

fitman

(482 posts)
3. I think Pope Francis is more liberal
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:07 AM
Mar 2013

than he is letting on..he just said that he is open to to arguments for dropping the Priest celibacy rule, he wants more "social justice" for the poor and there was rumors he is ok for civil unions for gays(that is a start for the catholic church).

I'm not going to throw this guy under the bus so soon...

I just have a gut feeling he is going to turn out ok and change the church for the better...

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. The man says gay people seeking rights is an attack on God. He calls adoption by gay parents
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:22 AM
Mar 2013

discrimination against the adopted children. He has been a loud, active and constant opponent of gay rights.
He is a well known entity. I have friends in Argentina. I am only stating his own spoken positions.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
9. The Church's positions are unlikely to change quickly.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:08 PM
Mar 2013

That said, I welcome the pope's worlds on dialog and caring for the poor and the environment.

The RCC is a mixed bag.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
7. And let's see how he cares about the rights of children abused by clergy.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:31 AM
Mar 2013

That's one of the biggies that got Benedict out of town on a rail. It's the stain on the soul of the Catholic Church that needs to be addressed before it can be re-defined again. But, it's also the elephant in the room that no one's taking by the horns yet. Or by whatever elephants get taken by.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. OK. He did endorse civil unions, though.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:59 AM
Mar 2013

Most of the priests I know love everyone in the community.

So, please, don't accuse them and me of what I didn't write, Bluenorthwest.

One more thing: The sanctimonious act is great.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
17. Really? That's a pleasant surprise
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:47 PM
Mar 2013

I didn't think he was ready to take things that far. Not going to argue - it'd certainly be a step closer to where things ought to be, which is itself a big deal for an organization that moves as closely as the Catholic Church does.

And isn't the "read post, reply to statements that weren't made in the post" trend lately just delightful? ;P

Andy Stanton

(264 posts)
5. I'm pleased he's speaking out on behalf of the poor
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:11 AM
Mar 2013

I disagree with many of the positions of the Catholic Church but I strongly support more attention paid to the plight of the very poor. Poverty and its associated problems are by far the most important issue worldwide, IMO.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
6. Religions depend on the poor, to a considerable extent
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:13 AM
Mar 2013

There is a well studied correlation between religious belief and inequality. People living in countries with a lot of poor people and a few rich tend to be much more formally religious than those in countries with a substantial middle class. It may be that both inequality and religiosity co-vary with educational attainment levels. It may be that people see less need for a deity if most of there material needs are well met. It may be that secular institutions take over social functions otherwise met by churches (e.g. unemployment insurance rather than church charity).

For the Catholic church, fewer poor will mean fewer people in the pews. Same for other religions.

The CBC has done some interesting stuff on this topic recently.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/05/f-religion-economic-growth.html

GiveMeFreedom

(976 posts)
10. I do not understand organized religion.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:00 PM
Mar 2013

Why don't they sell the Vatican and all the other palaces they own to help the poor?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
11. Beacool covered this in another thread
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:06 PM
Mar 2013
'Should the US sell the WH and all its historical collection of artifacts? Should we empty the Smithsonian and sell their content too? Should other nations do the same?

I don't expect any nation to sell its patrimony, I don't expect the Vatican to do so either.'



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014431647#post43

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
12. " Pope Francis urged the West on Friday to intensify dialogue with Islam"
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:10 PM
Mar 2013

aaaand..... another batch of right wing heads just exploded!

tanyev

(42,559 posts)
13. I just went to Freeperville and couldn't find it posted.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:43 PM
Mar 2013

Granted, the search capablities on that site are wretched so I might have missed it, or maybe they've all agreed to pretend it never happened.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
14. Heads of Catholic right wing extremists exploded weeks ago
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:35 PM
Mar 2013

They have a *prophet* called Maria Divine Mercy who predicted months ago that Pope Benedict was going to get ousted and replaced by a fraud who'd soon be celebrating Jewish and Islamic whatevers (can't even remember their lingo) and that true Catholics must not, NOT, recognize this fraudulent Pope. http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/

In NO way do I condone or support her but she did predict that and many people laughed her off at the time. We can call it the broken clock syndrome but it's causing havoc with a some people and St Malachy's predictions, as well as a few other prophecies about end times and the Catholic Church aren't helping.

Right wing heads exploding and melting all over the place.

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