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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:13 AM Mar 2013

Pope Francis urges protection of creation, weak

Source: AP via Monterey County Herald

By NICOLE WINFIELD Associated Press - Posted: 03/19/2013 12:15:35 AM PDT


Pope Francis waves to crowds as he arrives to his inauguration Mass in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, Tuesday, March 19, 2013.


VATICAN CITY—Pope Francis has urged princes, presidents, sheikhs and thousands of ordinary people gathered for his installation Mass to protect God's creation, the weakest and the poorest of the world.

He is officially beginning his ministry as the 266th pope with a clear focus of his priorities.

Francis was interrupted by applause several times during his homily Tuesday, including when he spoke of the need to protect the environment and serve one another with love and tenderness and not allow "omens of destruction," hatred, envy and pride to "defile our lives."

Francis said the pope "must open his arms to protect all of God's people and embrace with tender affection the whole of humanity, especially the poorest, the weakest, the least important.

Read more: http://www.montereyherald.com/world/ci_22821363/st-peters-fills-pope-francis-installation



okay it's official, he's installed, now comes the hard part
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Pope Francis urges protection of creation, weak (Original Post) ucrdem Mar 2013 OP
A couple of details from the NYT: ucrdem Mar 2013 #1
that's all fine and it will be refreshing to see how/if he carries thru on this theme. CTyankee Mar 2013 #16
Probably true Mz Pip Mar 2013 #18
CNN has videos: Thousands pack St. Peter's Square for Pope Francis' inauguration Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #2
Looks like a beautiful early spring day . . . ucrdem Mar 2013 #3
He wasn't slow, I'll agree with you on that! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #4
Looks like he finished up well before noon ucrdem Mar 2013 #11
Thanks! How did you know the only other language I can decipher is French? LOL Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #14
Protectors of the environment?? bucolic_frolic Mar 2013 #5
Mentioning it can't hurt ucrdem Mar 2013 #7
15th-century Venetian conservation efforts Kolesar Mar 2013 #10
you got it! ucrdem Mar 2013 #12
Old institutions, as long as they aren't literal iconoclasts... Posteritatis Mar 2013 #20
Interesting and I don't disagree at all. ucrdem Mar 2013 #23
The name of the book is "A Forest on the Sea" ucrdem Mar 2013 #22
When the Cleveland newspaper reports on the Church organizing for climate protection ... Kolesar Mar 2013 #13
I like this guy a lot better than the last one RedstDem Mar 2013 #6
Atheists are invited too! ucrdem Mar 2013 #8
I was so moved... Kolesar Mar 2013 #15
He seems to be making a really good start. I am happily surprised. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #9
I don't know about the Dirty War, but this is a message the World needs to hear right now. joanbarnes Mar 2013 #17
Argentina 2013 may be fairly regarded as a crucible for the conflicts among the issues listed. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #19
Heads must be exploding at Catholic.com dflprincess Mar 2013 #21
Save the baby at all costs, throw away the mother. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #24

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
1. A couple of details from the NYT:
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:29 AM
Mar 2013
As the Mass began, Francis received two symbolic emblems of his office as leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Roman Catholics — the fisherman’s ring, which recalls how St. Peter fished for food and later for souls, and the pallium, a white woolen vestment that symbolizes the role of the pope as a good shepherd.

{snip}

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said the Vatican does not issue invitations. “Those who wish to come, can,” he said. “No one is refused. No one is invited. We welcome those who want to come.”

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., who is Catholic, will represent the United States at the Mass. The delegation also includes Gov. Susana Martinez of New Mexico; Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leader in the House; and John J. DeGioia, the president of Georgetown University, a Jesuit institution.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/world/europe/installation-of-pope-francis.html?_r=0


. . . and from WaPo:

Francis directly addressed the leaders of the 132 nations arrayed around him, including Vice President Biden.

“Please, I would like to ask all those who have positions of responsibility in economic, political and social life, and all men and women of goodwill: let us be ‘protectors’ of creation, protectors of God’s plan inscribed in nature, protectors of one another and of the environment.

Let us not allow omens of destruction and death to accompany the advance of this world!”



http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/catholic-church-inaugurates-pope-francis-in-huge-open-air-mass/2013/03/19/72a80ff2-9064-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story_1.html

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
16. that's all fine and it will be refreshing to see how/if he carries thru on this theme.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:50 AM
Mar 2013

I have seen, tho, the depressing reality of yoking this to the anti-choice message under the rubric of fertilized ova being among the most vulnerable and weakest. No mention of the women for whom a pregnancy can mean her life is at risk. "god's plan inscribed in nature" sounds like it could be used to do just that.

Mz Pip

(27,452 posts)
18. Probably true
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:14 AM
Mar 2013

Same message just delivered differently, like the GOPs "rebranding." I suspect he'll work into his new focus how homosexualality is a threat to the weak, the poor and the children.

I would like to be optimistic but the deep seeded rules of the church seem pretty unlikely to change. My cousin was a "liberal" priest but towed the line when it came to any issue of choice.

Although it would be terrific to see the church move out of the dark ages, well, we shall see. This could more than likely be an attempt to repackage the same old rhetoric .

Rhiannon12866

(205,601 posts)
2. CNN has videos: Thousands pack St. Peter's Square for Pope Francis' inauguration
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:37 AM
Mar 2013


Rome (CNN) -- Through a square bustling with tourists, locals, pilgrims and dignitaries, Pope Francis made his way atop an open-top vehicle on Tuesday en route to a Mass that will officially inaugurate him Bishop of Rome.

He wore the simple iron cross he wore as a cardinal and which he had on when he first appeared to the world as pope.

When the gathered faithful at St. Peter's Square held up babies and young children for him to kiss, he obliged.

He also stepped out of his sports utility vehicle to kiss the head of a man with a physical disability.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/world/europe/vatican-new-pope/?hpt=hp_t1

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
3. Looks like a beautiful early spring day . . .
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:43 AM
Mar 2013

And he'll be finished by noon at this rate leaving his visitors plenty of time for a long lunch and some sightseeing. Nice guy!

Rhiannon12866

(205,601 posts)
4. He wasn't slow, I'll agree with you on that!
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:49 AM
Mar 2013

And the whole mass was extremely impressive, certainly historical. And a beautiful day. He really does seem to echo Pope John.

And I certainly envy him. Here in NY, it's been snowing all night.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
11. Looks like he finished up well before noon
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:18 AM
Mar 2013

per france info:

11h22 : La messe s'achève. Le pape va désormais saluer les dignitaires présents. (11:22, mass ends. Now the pope is going to going to greet the assembled dignitaries)

http://www.franceinfo.fr/monde/des-milliers-de-personnes-place-saint-pierre-pour-la-messe-inaugurale-du-pape-924261-2013-03-19


Doesn't waste time, does he?

Rhiannon12866

(205,601 posts)
14. Thanks! How did you know the only other language I can decipher is French? LOL
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:35 AM
Mar 2013

Here's the schedule in English... They keep saying his mitre's much smaller, but it looks fairly large to me. It looks like a very promising start.

Pope Francis’s inauguration Mass – live updates
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/breaking/2013/03/19/pope-franciss-inauguration-mass-live-updates/

bucolic_frolic

(43,206 posts)
5. Protectors of the environment??
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:50 AM
Mar 2013

Fascist Libbie Pinko.

Other than mentioning it, what does the Vatican do to
protect the environment?

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
7. Mentioning it can't hurt
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:13 AM
Mar 2013

and dispensing advice is a big part of his job, but it turns out that conservation has been considered a civic responsibility in Italy for a long time, for practical but also religious reasons. The Republic of Venice for example kept track of every tree in its surrounding territories, back when it had a lot of them. I came across a study published a couple of years ago about 15th-century Venetian conservation efforts which apparently were extensive. Practices tend to fall out of use during war and hard times brought by plague and commercial reversals but it seems they've been at it for some time. If I can find the title I'll post it.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
10. 15th-century Venetian conservation efforts
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:16 AM
Mar 2013

Ok! Now you have piqued my interest. It could be a fun thread in the Energy and Environment forum.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
20. Old institutions, as long as they aren't literal iconoclasts...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:50 PM
Mar 2013

... are definitely going to have an interest in making sure things keep on keeping along. That can be a problem at times, because it means most old institutions are really conservative in at least an institutional sense. At the same time, the fact that a lot of church architecture in Europe is still in incredibly good shape isn't exclusively because they built it well in the first place. That's been expanding in recent decades, and as the other guy in this subthread says they've had some thoughts on that for a long time.

For both good and ill they've got an eye on the long term. IMO at least, they're better off in that regard than some of the noisier Protestant branches, who just run with the "dominion over the earth" verses without bothering to worry about the caretaker implications of the idea.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
23. Interesting and I don't disagree at all.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:40 AM
Mar 2013

And from that point of view it's no surprise that Venice was ahead of the curve back in the day since their crazy city a) is largely built of timber, including the piers it all stands on, b) has a very close relationship to the elements, its circulation system consisting largely of sea-water canals, and c) requires constant conservation to maintain itself.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
22. The name of the book is "A Forest on the Sea"
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:26 AM
Mar 2013

by an ecological historian named Karl Appuhn, who knocks over a couple of widely held views of medieval foresting practices. The first is that they were suicidally exploitative, reducing a one-time powerhouse like Venice to a backwater once it had stripped its domestic timber supplies and deforested itself into poverty. Nice parable, it seems, but not what the record shows.

A second idea he knocks down is that renaissance forest management, when it was practiced, was mechanistic and Baconian, shrewdly focused on maximizing profit and disregarding natural, ecological or spiritual ends. This, too, proves a myth once the Venice record is examined. Here are the Amazon description and link, and a couple of screen-shot excerpts from the first chapter:



A Forest on the Sea: Environmental Expertise in Renaissance Venice
Karl Appuhn - Publication Date: December 9, 2009

Wood was essential to the survival of the Venetian Republic. To build its great naval and merchant ships, maintain its extensive levee system, construct buildings, fuel industries, and heat homes, Venice needed access to large quantities of oak and beech timber. The island city itself was devoid of any forests, so the state turned to its mainland holdings for this vital resource.

Karl Appuhn explains how Venice went from an isolated city completely dependent on foreign suppliers for wood to a regional state with a sophisticated system of administering and preserving forests. Intent on conserving this invaluable resource, Venice employed specialized experts to manage its forests.

The state bureaucracy supervised this work, developing a philosophy about the environment—namely, a mutual dependence between humans and the natural world—that was far ahead of its time.
Its efforts kept many large forest preserves under state protection, some of which still stand today.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0801892619/ref=rdr_ext_tmb


from page 9:



from pp. 23-24:


Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
13. When the Cleveland newspaper reports on the Church organizing for climate protection ...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:22 AM
Mar 2013

... the tide will have turned against the energy oligarchs. It's going to happen eventually.

It should have been done yesterday, as I am sure you agree.

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
6. I like this guy a lot better than the last one
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:54 AM
Mar 2013

just seems like they're getting back to basics.
the last guy seemed like he was there to cover up past sins, and not really to express any moral authority, I do admit I don't watch that much. I'm an atheist....

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. Atheists are invited too!
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:17 AM
Mar 2013

You have to cover airfare and lodging but there's always a good deal somewhere . . .

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
24. Save the baby at all costs, throw away the mother.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:50 PM
Mar 2013

And then you have two dead people instead of just the baby.

And daddy gets to raise the previously born kids by himself.
Yeah, real family values.

I've heard enough horror stories about women dying in Catholic hospitals because they refused to do an abortion or take the fallopian tube out.

I wouldn't take my cats or dogs to a Catholic hospital.

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