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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 06:05 PM Mar 2013

FBI Can’t Demand Customer Records From Telcos, Judge Says

Source: Bloomberg

FBI demands for confidential customer records from telecommunication companies were barred by a federal judge, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

A copy of the order signed today by U.S. District Judge Susan Illston in San Francisco was provided by lawyers with EFF, a cyber-rights group based in San Francisco that represents plaintiffs in the case. The case itself is sealed from public view. Illston said in her order that her ruling “shall be publicly available.”

The lawsuit brought by an unidentified phone-service provider challenges the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s use of “national security letters” in terrorism and national security probes. The letters require companies to turn over customers’ personal information and bar recipients from disclosing that they received the inquiries.

EFF said in a statement that today’s ruling will be stayed for 90 days to give the government a chance to respond.

Civil-rights groups say NSLs, as they are known, give federal agents unchecked powers to spy on people, while the government says NSLs are a crucial tool in fighting terrorism. The ruling is at least the second from a federal judge over the legality of NSLs. In 2007, a judge in Manhattan struck down aspects of the letters as amended by the U.S. Patriot Act.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-15/fbi-can-t-demand-customer-records-from-telcos-judge-says-1-.html

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FBI Can’t Demand Customer Records From Telcos, Judge Says (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2013 OP
3 cheers for EFF!!!! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #1
Good for the EFF! JimDandy Mar 2013 #2
Great decision jsr Mar 2013 #3
Neat quakerboy Mar 2013 #4
Re: it would also be nice mallard Mar 2013 #12
And fast-track legislation to enable such demands will pass in three... two... Orrex Mar 2013 #5
They will just skip the banks and phone companies and go to the NSA PerceptionManagement Mar 2013 #13
K&R woo me with science Mar 2013 #6
Federal judge says FBI secret national security letters seeking records are unconstitutional struggle4progress Mar 2013 #7
Hurray for U.S. District Judge Susan Illston! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #8
Kick n/t Tx4obama Mar 2013 #9
kick woo me with science Mar 2013 #10
Kick n/t Tx4obama Mar 2013 #11
Oh come on, this is pure theater sir pball Mar 2013 #14

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
4. Neat
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 07:52 PM
Mar 2013

It would be nice to think that the FBI would abide by such a ruling.

It might not be realistic, but it would be nice.

It would also be nice to think that telco's would hold that information unless legally required to share it.

That also, based on prior reading, seems less than realistic.

But we gotta take it where we can get it. If they are legally barred from doing it, then when they do it, now they are at least legitimately breaking the law, rather than just maybe breaking the law.

mallard

(569 posts)
12. Re: it would also be nice
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:33 PM
Mar 2013

... if the courts took equally strong positions regarding rights of citizens, not just the corporations et al.

struggle4progress

(118,345 posts)
7. Federal judge says FBI secret national security letters seeking records are unconstitutional
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 09:14 PM
Mar 2013

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal judge has ruled that secretive FBI demands for customer data from banks, phone companies and others are unconstitutional.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston ruled Friday that so-called national security letters are unconstitutional because the FBI bars recipients from disclosing to anyone, including their customers, that they received the demands.

Illston says this gag order violates freedom of speech rights.

The San Francisco-based judge put her order on hold for 90 days so the U.S. Department of Justice can appeal ...

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/federal-judge-says-fbi-secret-national-security-letters-seeking-records-are-unconstitutional/2013/03/15/18c242f0-8dd0-11e2-adca-74ab31da3399_story.html

sir pball

(4,759 posts)
14. Oh come on, this is pure theater
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:39 PM
Mar 2013

I suspect the good judge had some, suggestion shall we say, on how to rule - as has been pointed out already, there's other three-letter agencies that get the information firsthand. Room 641A, anybody?

The black room infrastructure is now complete. They don't need NSLs anymore, so they'll make a big show of how all this record-grabbing is Unconstitutional And Must Stop. And it will mostly all be stopped...through visible channels.

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