Chris Hayes to Take Over 8 P.M. Show on MSNBC

[Hissyspit]

Source: New York Times

March 14, 2013, 9:24 am

Chris Hayes to Take Over 8 P.M. Show on MSNBC

By BRIAN STELTER

Chris Hayes will take over the 8 p.m. time slot on MSNBC in the next month, the channel is planning to announce on Thursday morning, hours after the current host of that hour, Ed Schultz, said he was moving from the weekdays to the weekends.

Mr. Hayes, a liberal intellectual who has hosted a well-regarded weekend morning program on MSNBC for the past 18 months, is a protege of Rachel Maddow, the highest-rated host on the channel. He will become the lead-in for her 9 p.m. program, “The Rachel Maddow Show.”

The change is predicated on the belief that MSNBC can win a wider audience with Mr. Hayes than it did with Mr. Schultz, a champion of the working class whose bluster didn’t always pair well with Ms. Maddow and the channel’s other prime time program, “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell.” Mr. Hayes, on the other hand, is just as wonky as Ms. Maddow and Mr. O’Donnell, and is a regular contributor to both of their programs.

Mr. Hayes’s promotion was described by people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because it had not been officially announced by the channel yet. Once it takes effect, Mr. Hayes, 34, will be the youngest host of a prime-time show on any of the country’s major cable news channels, all of which seek out youthful viewers but tend to have middle-aged hosts and a core audience made up of senior citizens. Of Mr. Schultz’s one million viewers last year, for example, only 249,000 were between the ages of 25 and 54.

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[hlthe2b]

1. Better Chris Hayes than Ezra Klein... I do like Chris, but bemoan this thought that "passion"

is a bad thing. Apparently that is the attitude, given that those who speak out are usually relegated to the "off hours" (Martin Bashir comes to mind)

[liberalmike27]

45. So

Does that mean he's working seven days a week, or does he give up the weekend show?

I like him, but I don't buy the "Ed didn't pair well." MSNBC needs more of that good old-fashioned class warfare, up with workers, stuff. I like Rachel, but she's a little too snuggly with the MIC sometimes, and needs MORE concern for the poor, and middle class. She's a bit heavy on social issues, which sort of plays into the whole "too much social issues, not enough economic issues" problem with the corporate media. It's by design of course. Still, I watch her, so...

Nothing wrong with Ed...Listening to his much more liberal radio show right now, in fact. Anything with actual callers, is going to be more liberal than stuff a staff, and host can get through the editors and producers of a big-time network show anyway.

[hlthe2b]

58. I agree that Ed added variety and brought in viewers that Rachel and Chris will not.

Early on, I had to get used to the fact that Ed can frequently sound like Limbaugh (not what he's saying, of course, but simply his Midwestern accent, syntax, and general vocal style).... But, frankly that, plus the fact he really knows how to relate to a demographic that might not ordinarily watch MSNBC, makes this a loss, IMO.

Chris is good--no doubt about it, but he'll have to change his presentation a great deal to fill this new shortened format.

But, no, they are reporting he is being replaced on the weekend show, though no replacement has been announced. So, he'll only be doing the weekday stint.

[marions ghost]

69. This is my concern

my MIL is an avid watcher of Ed. She tells her Fox watching friends to watch it. How can we tell MSNBC they will lose this audience--the ones who need to have their soundbites delivered with directness, energy, and regular folks vocabulary?

Please if you must replace Ed on weeknights--find another Ed.

[hlthe2b]

73. I've yet to see the "brass" for any of the cable networks listen to public comment...

ever....

And, heaven knows they feel most comfortable with the "beltway" types. Ed was never going to become one of those.

[marions ghost]

74. Yeah they don't listen to us that's for sure

They giveth Ed and they taketh away Ed.

Another Ed could be found, if Ed wants to move on. The fact that they're not even trying does not bode well.

I have nothing against Chris Hayes. I like him. It's not an either/or.

[ailsagirl]

101. Martin Bashir really deserved it. I'm disappointed.

[corkhead]

61. it's all about the $

Chris' numbers are better in the key demo. I think it is a great move for MSNBC.

[Ed Suspicious]

2. Sounds good to me.

[onehandle]

3. Fantastic! My guess is that Ezra Klein will get a slot on Saturdays.

Which is good too.

I will miss my nightly Ed, though.

[Myrina]

4. UGH. Please give him a couple valium before he goes on the air?

He's so goddamned hyper I can't watch him on Sundays, as much as I'd like to. I do think he's brilliant but he always sounds like he's playing Beat the Clock and he's about to hyperventilate.

Breathe, Chris ... take a valium & BREATHE.

[snappyturtle]

14. I KNOW! I hope Rachel could take one too. They both act like grade schoolers coming

home blasting through the door, jabbering at light speed to tell mommy all the specifics of standing in line at the water fountain. That's why I liked Ed....bridled enthusiasm....but good. Oh, and Lawrence too.

[JDPriestly]

60. I like both of them. I especially like their enthusiasm.

We liberals have a lot to shout about. They do it. I'm with them.

[snappyturtle]

82. I'm not against their message. I guess they're trying to out shout

Fox News. Never have thought that shouting accomplishes anything. Too often the shouting masks the subject.

[winter is coming]

91. Actually, I don't think that's it. I've known people like this, and that's just

the speed their brains work at, zipping around from one thing to the next.

[ailsagirl]

102. Chris and Rachel make my head ache after awhile because they talk so fast

Or maybe I'm just slow, but I don't think so.

[cartach]

20. Couldn't agree more !

First time I heard him I immediately thought he was a male version of Maddow with that rapid fire and overly dramatic delivery. And then I read in the piece that he's Maddow's protege. He has an annoying way of showing off his superior [?] intellect and challenging his audience to keep up with him while trying to fully comprehend what he's trying to say. No style of his own so he immitates Maddow's. I've always switched to another channel when he's been on Maddow's show,now I'll be watching any other channel but Fox during his time slot. Ed Shultz does a far more effective job tackling the issues and got straight to the point rather than the pontificating and meandering style we can expect from Chris Hayes.

[12AngryBorneoWildmen]

22. Are y'all batty?

Chris is fabulous. He's funny. He laughs and makes others laugh. Couldn't be more liberal. Condenses so well. Unbelievably smart. Great interviewer. Ed is none of those. Listen to his radio show. He's a bully. Colbert calls him "a chunk of smoked gouda". Here's Ed's top two questions- "How does it feel-blah, blah, blah?" "What was it like, blah, blah, blah?"

[Politicub]

38. His show gets me out of bed early on Sat.

And that's saying a lot!

Thrilled with the change.

[Bette Noir]

44. I disagree.

Now, I'll have to watch MSNBC 5 hours/day on weekdays, and have nothing to do in front of the TV on weekends. Balance, guys, balance!

[Politicub]

46. :) there's MHP

Who always had a great panel of guests.

Msnbc is the awesome.

[Inuca]

48. 100% agree

Very happy with the change. Not much of a fan of Ed.

[Myrina]

54. I agree with your first 6 sentences.

But the man needs a valium. I get a panic attack trying to listen to him.

[JDPriestly]

62. I like both Chris and Ed. They should replace Scarborough with Ed.

[AlbertCat]

68. Are y'all batty?

They must be. I have no idea what the hell they are talking about. "Over dramatic delivery"? They talk too fast???? Perhaps you folks should not take your valiums before the show. You might be able to pay attention. It's not "Dancing with the Stars" y'know (which is way more manic BTW)

I suppose these "Chris and Rachel are too manic!" folks are just overwhelmed by the amount of info packed into each show.... more than an entire week of regular news.

[randome]

26. I think you have it right. I feel much the same about Chris Hayes.

He'll be great doing a daily show but I can only take him in small doses.

And 12AngryBorneoWildmen -every host has his or her shortcomings.

[snappyturtle]

41. Your description is perfect! Were you inside my head? Can you imagine Chris

Hayes covering a Wisconsin-like event? Ed was so good, at his best I think when he was covering all things evil at the Wisconsin capitol. I also like his frequent guest, John Nichols.

[ReRe]

76. I totally agree about his "fast-talking"

Same thing with Melissa Harris-Perry. All they need to do is slow it down just a wee bit!

[loudsue]

5. I really like Chris Hayes....but I like Ed Schultz, too.

Host shuffling. I guess it's just got to happen sometimes.

[xtraxritical]

37. Ed Shultz is the best friend labor has in this country. Why do we need more light weights like

Maddow and Hayes? They're just actors who have unpaid interns research their stories. Ed Shultz went out and got the stories. Go ahead and flame me I don't care, I'm old enough to know better. What's the matter is Ed not "pretty" enough for the youngsters?

[Bette Noir]

49. Excuse me? Maddow is "just an actor"?

She has a doctorate in politics. Ed is a conservative bully who couldn't match Limbaugh's ratings, so he converted to get an audience.

[HangOnKids]

79. Maddow is great, but your assertion that Ed is a conservative bully

Is your opinion, just that. You are entitled to your opinion, but you should label it as such, and not state it as a fact. Unless you are a personal friend of Ed and know his politics on that level, you might want to dial it back just a tad.

[winter is coming]

93. I've no idea whether Ed's a conservative or not, but he does come across as

loud-mouthed and belligerent, which is why I don't watch him. I don't need to have the news shouted at me by some guy who acts like he's had one beer too many.

[jzodda]

92. Ed is NO conservative

I know him and though I wouldn't say we are friends, but we have some mutual friends. He is NOT a conservative and bleeds for organized labor in this country. He would be terribly disappointed that long time poster on DU of all places would think this. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I know its wrong.

[xtraxritical]

99. Thank you! Ed is the best. I think Maddow and Hayes get their "stories" off the web.

[ailsagirl]

103. Of course he's not.

He addresses, among others, the "good ol' boy" network-- a demographic that's crucial. Plus he's down-to-earth and direct and HE got the HUGE SCOOP of being the first to interview Scott Proudy. Actually, Proudy choose ED because he's for organized labor and travels around the country talking to people and getting the word out. He really cares.

MSNBC screwed up, methinks.

[xtraxritical]

108. I think you're exactly right, MSNBC screwed up big.

[Squaredeal]

6. I really like Chris Hayes...

...but some people think hat he's too smart.

[dsharp88]

47. that's a problem?!?!

No doubt Ed Schultz is extremely smart. He comes from a jock background (college and even some pro football in Canada) and carries that athlete's dedication and passion in his with-the-people persona.

Chris has the background of the intellectual who was in Science Club and played on the Equations and On-Sets teams. I find him extremely likable and funny as well as informative.

This is the perfect move for both. I didn't like Chris' eeeeeaaaarly weekend time slot, and Ed works best when he's out with the people like he did in Wisconsin and Ohio. Can't wait to see them!

[prairierose]

78. And anti=intellectualism rears its ugly head...

there is no such thing as too smart and only the repugnant party talks about people being "too smart" because they can not understand anything the smart people say.

And really, quoting faux so-called news with the ...." some people think ...."

[winter is coming]

95. Well, if you want to get your news from dumb people, there's always Fox. n/t

[LovingA2andMI]

7. Will be watching SoapNet Instead....

MSNBC is nothing short of the talking heads in the evening that suppose to be journalist (which is a laugh in itself) who bring on more talking heads to talk about all subject manners including the ones they lack knowledge on, to talk about the same darn thing over and over again.

Glad my 8PM ET hour will be free to either watch SoapNet, read more alternative media or just sleep early, if I want too.

[EC]

18. Well, I for one

give them credit for helping with the election by getting the truth out. During the Bush years every single channel including MSNBC didn't report much of the negatives of Bush until Keith had had enough and started speaking out.

[AlbertCat]

72. Sorry..

You left the VERB out of your 1st sentence....

and I don't know what "subject manners" are.

which is a huge laugh in itself.....


Their shows are not "the news".... the ARE talking head shows.

Just "sleep early" (whatever that means) then.

[nonoyes]

8. 7 Days a week?

Will Chris Hayes keep his wonderful 2 hour weekend show as well?

I like his Up with Chris show, but 7 days a week, for a married man with a child, I can't imagine he will do both the 5 nights a week show and the weekend 2 hours each Saturday and Sunday. Something will have to go. I'll miss him if he leaves the weekend.

As for Ezra Klein, he already has a full time job at the Washington Post, and he's very good as a stand-in substitute for either Rachel or Ed or Lawrence O'Donnell. He also does interviews on an almost daily basis as a guest on on or another of MSNBC's daytimes shows when the topic is the economy, taxes, legislation involving the budget, etc.

My main concern is what will happen to the weekend Up with Chris show, which I have come to love.

[marmar]

17. As I understand it, he'll no longer be doing the weekend show.

[rbixby]

9. I do like Chris Hayes

But 'bluster' was a bit harsh for Ed.

[Paladin]

10. Suits Me. (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

11. Leave Ed in place, give Chris Al Sharpton's slot.

Why does Al have a show? He's a pundit.

[whiteroses]

21. Al Sharpton

I have to change channels when Politics Nation comes on.

[TwilightGardener]

24. I like Al's pundit contribution to panels. He's a sharp guy. But,

I can't sit through his show. His voice and style just set me on edge, and I don't think he's of the same caliber as Ed, Rachel, etc.

[Inuca]

51. Same here

I am generally in my car during his show, driving home from work. And I'd rather listen to CNN or CSPAN (I have a satellite radio). But When he is on a panel and talking more or less freely, Sharpton is great, smart, at times funny, quick witted.. he's natural, while on his own show he is not.

[patrice]

59. He should be a regular part of a panel conversation. As host he seems to be having

a conversation with himself more than anyone else.

[efhmc]

23. Agreed.

[hlthe2b]

40. Al is really terrific as a pundit on panels... But, I just don't think that hosting is his forte'

Try as he might, he just doesn't seem to be able to deal with that teleprompter and his mispronunciations/gaffes often leave me cringing.

But, boy, he can get some zingers out as a panelist.

[graham4anything]

55. Al Sharpton is the only person I watch on TV.All the others are filler,I have no use for them

[warrior1]

12. good move with Chris.

[PennyK]

13. I like Chris, but...

The 2 hour length of his weekend show allows him to spend time on a topic. Nowhere else can you find such good discussions of the issues.

[EC]

15. Ok, wait

who will have the weekend mornings then? Ed is on weekend evenings. So is Melissa and Alex the only ones on in the mornings now? I thought Ed's show had high ratings in that time slot? I remember at least once where he was second to TRMS.

[Dollface]

89. Alex Witt? I enjoy her.

[Maineman]

16. I record NOW with Alex Wagner at noon (Eastern) for watching later. Excellent show. Ever bit as good

as Rachel, but with a different format. Alex is very bright, very quick, very knowledgeable, and usually manages the discussion very effectively. Quality show. And she does not hyperventilate like Chris Hayes. He drives me crazy.

[grasswire]

87. I agree. Alex is EXCELLENT.

Really good guests. Really hefty topics. None of the "outrage of the day" blather.

NOW is my favorite show on MSNBC.

I watch Alex and I watch Martin for his snark, and I used to watch Ed.

Lawrence is too slow and repetitive. I can't watch Rachel find six ways to make each point.

[samplegirl]

19. I think Chris will do a great job.

I will miss Ed but I think putting someone fresh in usually helps. Al Sharpton show is a bore and I rarely tune in.

[dsharp88]

50. [phone]

Rev Al seems to forget there's a microphone there. He doesn't need to bellow from the pulpit as he is accustomed to doing! It makes it all very hard to watch.

[Hamlette]

25. I'm thrilled. I love Chris.

He's my favorite of all of them. He's "hard" to watch in the sense that you must give him all of your attention, but he's thought provoking and catches everything. Glad to hear Up was a success. I never miss a show. He's my favorite of all the MSNBC folk. I even prefer him to Rachel (sometimes her long drawn out introductions to a story seem "forced" as in "what obscure fact can we use to make today's story relevant&quot .

[timesup]

83. Happy because....

I am @PST and Up was on way too early for me.

As soon as I heard Ed was leaving, I knew it would be Chris, was far too obvious that he was being groomed and I welcome it.

He will call people out on their BS, which I like.

[Little Star]

27. I'm with Cher on this....

She's got her "geek on" and has a “smart crush” on Chris.

I'm pretty old, like Ed but don't like his MSNBC show much. It's a little too talk radio in style for me.

I do however, have a smart crush on Chris and his geek! Go Chris! I can't wait.

Smart Chris, smart Rachel and then smart Lawrence. Works for me.

[DebJ]

28. The problem with Ed was his SCREAMING...

Lawrence has passion and gets his points across better without ever SCREAMING. With all the other difficulties in life, I had no desire to relax with a tv screen full of ranting. His polls were ludicrous.

Rachel really is too hyper and that's too bad. Try counting the number of times she says things three times. Better to pause and let it soak in yarn to be incessantly repeating everything.

[elleng]

34. I agree with you about Ed's screaming,

a reason I also avoid Matthews.

I disagree about Rachel. I think her perceived 'hyper' is for well-deserved journalistic emphasis.

[NOVA_Dem]

84. That drives me crazy about Rachel too...

She's so smart but it seems she thinks her audience is so dumb that she has to make the same point over, and over, and over....

[DireStrike]

29. Disagree with this. Don't like Ed much, but I don't need 2 hours of Rachel style reporting.

They should have kept Ed there, as he gave them a more diverse audience. There will probably be a spike in popularity followed by a drop-off.

[chelsea0011]

30. This is a damn shame. His weekend show was can't miss television.

He would have serious discussions, not soundbites. Most these nightly shows are quick hitters where people try to make their points in their 2 speaking rounds. Or 1, for some, if you are on Chris Matthews. I will miss his round table discussions on the weekends for what I fear will be the same old same old on nightly tv.

[bluedigger]

31. I can live with that.

Chris is a smart and personable reporter. I hope he does well.

[elleng]

32. 'Wonky' attractive to MSNBC's desired audience, I guess!

'The change is predicated on the belief that MSNBC can win a wider audience with Mr. Hayes than it did with Mr. Schultz, a champion of the working class whose bluster didn’t always pair well with Ms. Maddow and the channel’s other prime-time program, “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell.” Mr. Hayes, on the other hand, is just as wonky as Ms. Maddow and Mr. O’Donnell, and is a regular contributor to both of their programs.'

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/chris-hayes-to-take-over-8-p-m-show-on-msnbc/?ref=media

Good morning! Nearing end of vacation, kind of hard to put this all together in my morning fuzz!

[winter is coming]

96. With CNN and Fox peddling "news to keep you stupid", providing an alternative

is just what MSNBC should be targeting.

[swayne]

33. A wonderful period now from 8-10 PM on MSNBC!!!

Now if they would only get rid of Chris Matthews second useless hour.......

[tularetom]

80. And his first useless hour while they're at it

[elleng]

35. Think MSNBC/NBC reading DU on the subject???

[Politicub]

36. Love him!!

[George II]

39. I'm going to really miss Ed, I think he's been the best on MSNBC since Olbermann left...

...let's hope Hayes loses all of his annoying mannerism and "uh, uh, uh....." that he puts in every sentence.

At least I'll be able to catch up on my network sitcoms.

[leftyohiolib]

42. "Mr. Schultz, a champion of the working class" well we cant have that on prime time

[Cleita]

53. +1000

[narnian60]

104. Thank you.

[wryter2000]

43. Wonks R Us?

Do we need all wonks all the time? A little bluster mixes things up. I'm fine with Hayes, but they need Schultz, too.

[Cleita]

56. You and I posted almost the same thing at the same time!

[wryter2000]

70. Great minds

[Cleita]

52. I like Chris's morning show on the weekends. I like Rachel. But I also liked

the Ed bluster as a change from all the intellectual wonkishness of those guys. I guess everyone is going to be a cookie cutter of Rachel and that could get really boring.

[narnian60]

105. I TOTALLY agree.

[Yavin4]

57. MSNBC is going younger

Strategically, this makes sense. MSNBC is beating Faux News in the younger demos. Adding Chris Hayes at 8:00 PM will help them exploit their advantage.

If you've noticed, whenever there's been a change on MSNBC, it's a younger person(s) who gets the slot.

[bigdarryl]

63. Hayes is BORING!!!!

He tries to hard to act like Rachel Maddow

[glowing]

64. I'm really going to miss his Saturday and Sunday am

It was amazing discussions without a lot of time limits and with really intelligent people who didn't dumb down their words. Even the Republican reps couldn't throw out talking points and get away with it. They had to have reasoned logic behind their arguments. And once they tried to use reasonable logic, the fallacy of their statements and the argument fell apart. They don't have real data or accurate account of what is happening to people and what should happen or what will best work. I especially lived the $2 trillion dollar coin argument... It became clear that money at such a large economic, government run budget, that money is quite fake and not like most people's bank accounts where the money is based on pay from labor.

[Dollface]

90. I'm with you. I love Chris and his guests who are not the same old talking heads.

I enjoy the speed of the show and his excitement about the discussions. I will miss him in the morning. I hope he gets to have good discussons at 8pm and not just run down the same stories as everyone else.

I look forward to seeing Ed in a different venue. The Ed Show wasn't one that I recorded on a regular basis although he was fabulous in Wisconsin. I'll probably record his Sunday show and save it to watch Monday morning.

[House of Roberts]

65. Chris should be calmer

reading the teleprompter and interviewing a single guest or just two. Recently he had Gloria Steinem and Marlo Thomas on UP, and he was very calm. He gets hyper when he has four to five guests on at a time.
I follow the ratings almost daily, and Ed has been a little down since the election. Chris should draw closer to Rachel in the 25-54 age demo.

[Chipper Chat]

66. I hate to see this.

Don't forget Ed's elaborate coverage of the "Gubner Scotty Recall Saga" and his willingness to give coverage to Union brass. His bombastic style was not necessarily a bad thing - look what it did for Limbaugh.

Now 8 to 10 will be pretty much the same can of peas. And for the record, I still miss Keith.

[AlbertCat]

67. who has hosted a well-regarded weekend morning program on MSNBC for the past 18 months

"... that we will not name. Let's see, what IS the name of that show? It must be too hard to remember...."

[MirrorAshes]

71. Hayes is THE BEST!!

I'm stoked for this. Chris has said previously that he's better suited for the "Up" format though, more round-table and conversational. Said he doesn't really like reading from the prompter. Hopefully he'll adapt.

So excited!

[liberal from boston]

75. 8 PM MSNBC SLOT

I wonder if Ed wanted this change to spend more time with his wife. Your priorities change when there is a health scare & maybe the weekend slot is now a better fit for Ed. Grateful I will be able to see Ed on weekends.

[Auntie Bush]

77. I'm going to miss Ed! Look forward to seeing him on weekends.

Don't like the late afternoon weekend programing we have now. Also, can't stand the depressing prison programs. Why in the world would we want to show the whole world , our prisons and our disgraceful prison system?

[Kalidurga]

81. Great choice...

I don't think he is too hyper. I don't think he is too intellectual either. But, if he is too intellectual that is great, cuz kids these days think nerds are cool, so that will go well with the target audience. So anyway smart people bring em on.

[Miami4Obama]

85. I just wish Martin Bashir would be on a better schedule. I can't ever watch him!

I love Martin Bashir,!!! but as I am at work at that time, it is impossible for me to ever watch his show. Wish he would be changed to the weekend schedule, or a later time during the week,...anyone here thinks that maybe he will be changed to the weekend? I am truly fed up with the weekend shows of msnbc, those jail shows, so disgusting and they do not belong in MSNBC type of programming, I will have Ed to watch on both weekend days, now we need more politics for the weekends. wht do you think???

[glowing]

97. I'm with u there... I'd like to see him on at 7pm.

[narnian60]

107. Me, too.

[and-justice-for-all]

86. I like Chris, Ezra too..nt

[Enrique]

88. awesome

i hope his show stays the same, i hope they don't mess with it because it's in prime time.

[jzodda]

94. Why not move ED to 7pm weekdays?

I wish ED was still on during the week. I wish they would have moved him to 7pm. We don't need a repeat of hardball.

[Cleita]

106. Yes, this would work or why couldn't they just give Chris Hayes a show in

that time slot and leave Big Ed where he is?

[Blandocyte]

98. Can't stand watching this jittery chihuahua

One night when he was filling in for Rachel the camera tilted up so they wouldn't show his constant fidgeting with his pen. Makes me feel nervous just watching his nervousness. YMMV.

[musiclawyer]

100. His format on Up is great

Hopefully he can still manage to have detailed analysis part of the time and not simply be reading the teleprompter

[Manifestor_of_Light]

109. What's wrong with smart people like chris and rachel?

Why are some in this thread being anti-intellectual and calling them "wonky"??

My dad said, "I like to hang out with smart people because I might learn something." He was a pipefitter at a refinery AND an attorney, thanks to night school on the GI Bill.

Chris is usually pretty good at controlling his guests and not letting them get into a screaming match, unlike Bill Maher and Tweety and some others. I can't stand it when they have 3 people all yelling over each other.

Ezra Klein has a very dry humor. He said he admired Turtle Man for his "good looks". He said on election night, "Speaker Boehner has been reelected to his House seat, doubtless a victory for Orange-Americans everywhere."

[Hissyspit]

110. Yes, rather sad to see style trump substance here of all places.