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trumad

(41,692 posts)
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:13 AM Mar 2013

Report: Carnival Dream in St. Maarten has problems

Source: Orlando Sentinel

Passengers aboard a Carnival cruise line ship docked in St. Maarten in the eastern Caribbean have contacted CNN reporting various power and plumbing problems, the cable network is reporting.

According to CNN, several passengers have reported power outages and overflowing toilets aboard the Carnival Dream which was supposed to leave the Phillipsburg, St. Maarten port early Wednesday evening.

One passenger said a public announcement address indicated that work on the ship's generators was taking place, CNN reported.

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sfl-cnn-carnival-dream-20130314,0,2684492.story



Another Shitty situation.
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Report: Carnival Dream in St. Maarten has problems (Original Post) trumad Mar 2013 OP
Wow-this is a brand new ship KaryninMiami Mar 2013 #1
This sucks Kolesar Mar 2013 #2
Another reason why I've never been on a cruise ship and never will. nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #3
The subject of late dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #10
Glad my cruise days are over.... things were different 30 years ago.. now they are building gnormous secondwind Mar 2013 #4
Right. And who's building the ships now? Seasoned shipbuilders or day labor? nt valerief Mar 2013 #18
There are still a number of high quality, small cruise operators. Xithras Mar 2013 #45
What's wrong with going to a quiet place by a lake and spend 10 days fishing, reading, etc? Why do secondwind Mar 2013 #5
Never understood it either. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #12
Agree completely AndyA Mar 2013 #16
I was considering taking the kid to Disney when he was younger . . . HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #23
I'm with you..... paleotn Mar 2013 #26
Alaska PasadenaTrudy Mar 2013 #33
We did the Alaska cruise Mz Pip Mar 2013 #46
Exactly.. PasadenaTrudy Mar 2013 #47
Did you see Russia from your deck? n/t cosmicone Mar 2013 #49
In the Ships Theater they are playing this 24/7 to calm the passengers: Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #6
Where the hell did that come from? randome Mar 2013 #13
LOL. I preferred Berlin Expat Mar 2013 #19
I liked that one better too! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #20
From a technical Berlin Expat Mar 2013 #22
That very weird, I happen to be a film director (Commericals) but am working on my 1st indie Horror Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #25
It certainly would Berlin Expat Mar 2013 #29
Thanks very much, will read it! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #30
It's quite good.....it Berlin Expat Mar 2013 #34
Ship problems in port at a place with an airport Paulie Mar 2013 #7
More like Carnival Nightmare AndyA Mar 2013 #8
Few easier ways to quickly boost profits short term...... paleotn Mar 2013 #27
At least St. Maarten is a nice place to get stuck CanonRay Mar 2013 #9
At this point, why would anyone pay to "cruise" on a giant floating porta-potty? Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #11
I just got an email advertising "Up to 60% off Carnival cruises!" davsand Mar 2013 #14
Carnival cruises are tacky, low brow affairs when nothing goes wrong. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #15
You couldn't pay me enough to board one of those floating prisons. catbyte Mar 2013 #17
have been on one Carnival cruise littlewolf Mar 2013 #21
You couldn't PAY me to go on a cruise now. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #24
How can "Carnival" keep ships in the water? ReRe Mar 2013 #28
They do it by being the Motel 6 of cruise lines slackmaster Mar 2013 #32
I agree about the Motel 6 of the high seas... ReRe Mar 2013 #36
That's the problem -- there are no lawsuits, or at least none that can recover real damages. The Stranger Mar 2013 #39
Corporate Law ReRe Mar 2013 #43
They're more like the Motel 5 of cruise lines pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2013 #31
Is that from the Onion? ReRe Mar 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2013 #42
I'm serious... ReRe Mar 2013 #44
The one and only cruise I ever took, 50 years ago: IDemo Mar 2013 #35
The reason why they are able to keep doing this is because they are not held accountable in court. The Stranger Mar 2013 #38
Well now they know what it was like to be in hurricane Katrina. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #40
Power is on, no one is in danger, toilets are working, all systems operating normally. KaryninMiami Mar 2013 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2013 #50
Not to mention Ted Cruz Blue Owl Mar 2013 #51

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
1. Wow-this is a brand new ship
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:16 AM
Mar 2013

Not good if these reports are true and so much is going wrong already. Ugh.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
4. Glad my cruise days are over.... things were different 30 years ago.. now they are building gnormous
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:19 AM
Mar 2013

monstrosities, packing people in like sardines, etc.

Not my idea of a vacation.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
45. There are still a number of high quality, small cruise operators.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:14 PM
Mar 2013

I've never understood why anyone would want to climb on a ship and cruise with thousands of other people. Well, yeah I do. It's all about money.

About 10 years ago I had the pleasure of cruising the Caribbean on the Mandalay, which was part of the now-defunct Windjammer Barefoot Cruise lines. That was one of the best vacations I've ever had. While Barefoot doesn't exist anymore, there are a large number of other smaller cruise lines (like Star Clipper) that offer the same kind of quality and experience. Best of all, depending on the line and ship, you often only have to deal with a few dozen, or maybe a few hundred, other people. I believe the Mandalay is still sailing for another company now, and it topped out at less than 100 passengers.

Of course, you'll pay for it. A 7 day Caribbean booking on a megacruiser will cost you about $500 per person for an ocean view room. The same booking on one of the smaller lines will cost about three times as much. People sail these megaships for the same reason people shop at Walmart. People don't shop at Walmart when they want to buy high quality items...they shop at Walmart because it's cheap and "good enough". People don't sail the mega cruise lines when they want a high quality cruise. It's a vacation for people who are looking for a cruising experience that's "cheap and good enough".

When it comes to cruising, you really do get what you pay for.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
5. What's wrong with going to a quiet place by a lake and spend 10 days fishing, reading, etc? Why do
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:21 AM
Mar 2013

Americans feel the need to "outdo" each other and go to Disney (a nightmare) and other places that suck the last penny out of your wallet?

Let's teach our kids to enjoy themselves without machines, crowds, etc.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
16. Agree completely
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:34 AM
Mar 2013

There are better ways to have a vacation than spending tons of money to have "fun."

Crowded places like Disney aren't much fun, IMO. Instead, go see the Grand Canyon, or find places closer to home to explore. Interesting things are everywhere, and you control the schedule instead of some corporation planning your activities for you.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
23. I was considering taking the kid to Disney when he was younger . . .
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:44 AM
Mar 2013

. . . . but once you think about it, there are very few good rides, there are long-ass lines for everything, just about every aspect of Disney costs twice to three times as much as nearby Cedar Point (and CP has far better rides), the flight and hotel would be more than I could reasonably afford and I just never took him because of that.

His HS Marching Band went to Florida to play a bowl game and they went to Disney then. He said "I liked Universal better."

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
26. I'm with you.....
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:03 AM
Mar 2013

we've always avoided crowds and fake, plastic places whenever possible. For us it's always been actual historical places, natural wonders, etc. As for cruise ships, I think I'll just stick with my little jon boat.

Mz Pip

(27,449 posts)
46. We did the Alaska cruise
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:22 PM
Mar 2013

We did it twice, two different cruise lines and different ports. I thought it was good way to see the spectacular Alaska scenery.

Had a terrific time both times. No problems. The food was great and there was a wide variety of shipboard activities or you could just find a quiet place and read.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
6. In the Ships Theater they are playing this 24/7 to calm the passengers:
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:22 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:03 AM - Edit history (2)


ANNOUNCER: "YOUR HOLIDAY IN...HELL!"

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
22. From a technical
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:37 AM
Mar 2013

point-of-view, "Ghost Ship" was a very well-made film; some really solid art direction and production design.

The script could've used some polishing. Perhaps not a bad film candidate for a remake, this time with a better script with less clichés.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
25. That very weird, I happen to be a film director (Commericals) but am working on my 1st indie Horror
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:53 AM
Mar 2013

movie.

Ghost Ship is one the the five movies we discussed simply redoing in our own version, after we finish this current project.

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
29. It certainly would
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:27 AM
Mar 2013

be a good film to remake. The casting in the original was good as well.

In the original spec script, "Chimera", the film was a psychological thriller, but apparently the producers decided to change it into a slasher film instead.

Here's a link to the original first-draft screenplay: http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/ghost_ship.html



Paulie

(8,462 posts)
7. Ship problems in port at a place with an airport
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:26 AM
Mar 2013

And great beaches. Shit happens but as they say, don't worry be happy.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
8. More like Carnival Nightmare
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:30 AM
Mar 2013

or Carnival Sewage.

What's the deal? Carnival must be paying its CEO so much they've had to cut back on maintenance. They probably figured no one would ever notice.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
27. Few easier ways to quickly boost profits short term......
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:12 AM
Mar 2013

....Need to hit quarterly or annual earnings guidance? Slash maintenance spend and hope for the best. Customers will have no idea, until something goes wrong.

CanonRay

(14,103 posts)
9. At least St. Maarten is a nice place to get stuck
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:32 AM
Mar 2013

Assuming that they are actually letting people off the ship. I would never want to cruise on one of those giganto-monster ships...too many people.

davsand

(13,421 posts)
14. I just got an email advertising "Up to 60% off Carnival cruises!"
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:14 AM
Mar 2013

My first response was, Gee, wouldn't THAT be fun... Where do I sign up?







Laura

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. Carnival cruises are tacky, low brow affairs when nothing goes wrong.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:17 AM
Mar 2013

Probably headed for bankruptcy and rightly so.

catbyte

(34,393 posts)
17. You couldn't pay me enough to board one of those floating prisons.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:38 AM
Mar 2013

Just the thought of being trapped on a boat with all those strangers--even if the plumbing works and the the food's not poisoned--send chills up my spine. Yuck!

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
21. have been on one Carnival cruise
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:37 AM
Mar 2013

2 day cruise, it was nice but would not want anything longer then that.
and now, there is no way I would get on one for anything.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
24. You couldn't PAY me to go on a cruise now.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:46 AM
Mar 2013

Heard, both anecdotal and universal, far more bad stories than good about cruises. Doesn't sound like my kind of thing anyway. I kind of like to eat when I want without having to wait for an hour.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
28. How can "Carnival" keep ships in the water?
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:21 AM
Mar 2013

Their pants are being sued off, for one thing, but they probably have fewer ships active due to fewer bookings because of all the safety issues.
I damn sure wouldn't get on one of them with my family or friends.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
32. They do it by being the Motel 6 of cruise lines
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:01 AM
Mar 2013

They sell their services at low cost in high volume to people who wouldn't pay the price of the services of a higher tier operation.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
36. I agree about the Motel 6 of the high seas...
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:37 AM
Mar 2013

... but what about the lawsuits? It looks to me like it would be cheaper to overhaul their ships and be absolutely sure they are safe to fend off all the lawsuits. Maybe the repairs are more expensive than the lawsuits?

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
39. That's the problem -- there are no lawsuits, or at least none that can recover real damages.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:02 PM
Mar 2013

They've insulated themselves from financial liability using disclaimers, remedy limitations and exclusions, and have no financial incentive to make corrections to these issues, so they happen again and again.

Response to trumad (Original post)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
37. Is that from the Onion?
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:43 AM
Mar 2013

If not, and it is your own brand of sarcasm, why not state the fact that it is? If it is your own sarcasm, you need to apply at the Onion.

Response to ReRe (Reply #37)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
44. I'm serious...
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:09 PM
Mar 2013

You need to look into Onion. All you would have to do is author them and e-mail them in.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
38. The reason why they are able to keep doing this is because they are not held accountable in court.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:00 PM
Mar 2013

They continue to put people on these ships and make money despite their horrors because there is no financial incentive for them to correct the problems. They have used a smorgasbord of legal disclaimers, indemnities and remedy limitations in their ticketing to prevent anyone from suing them for damages.

Not to mention the horrid overconsumption, waste, and the environmental damage that these diesel burning behemoths leave in their wake. There has to be a more intelligent (not to mention enjoyable) way to vacation.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
41. Power is on, no one is in danger, toilets are working, all systems operating normally.
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:04 PM
Mar 2013

See update below. As someone who works with the cruise industry, I'd be remiss if I didn't at least throw in a few points here.

First, a reminder. consider the number of passengers who are sailing at this minute- in all corners of the world and on ships of all sizes. Remember also that these incidents are VERY rare and passengers are almost never in danger. Cruising, which understandingly may not be everyone's cup of tea, are for millions of passengers, a wonderful and exciting (and often times cost effective) way to see the world. Today's ships are often elegant and beautifully designed- some border on amazing (have you seen the Allure of the Seas- WOW), cabins are very comfortable, cruise fare includes entertainment and activities, a chance to sample some amazing restaurants and are more like floating resorts with something to do for just about everyone. And yes- they are run by machines and computers - both of which can occasionally, malfunction but passengers, thanks to the strict safety requirements, are rarely if ever, in danger. There are also strict . regulations around cleanliness (especially for any ship that enters the US) and environmental issues as well. The repeat factor is extremely high by the way - most cruiser return again and again and ships sail full so they must be doing something right. And, ships, like hotels, come in all different sizes and shapes- some are very large and some are very small - some offer a tremendously cost effective vacation option for families, others, well- appeal to the 1%, frankly. But I do hope that people will not look at these rare incidents and use them to deter them from experiencing a cruise- something that I truly believe is a terrific vacation option. Maybe not for every year and not for everyone but worth consideration.

We have flight delays and mechanical problems pretty often (those who fly often can attest to this) but we still take planes. Trains have delays and occasional accidents but we still take trains. Our cars break down but we still drive. Keep it in perspective please and by all means- try a cruise- you may like it!

Update from Cruise Week Special Edition 3/14/13- Update On Carnival Dream

The Carnival Dream is stuck at port in St. Maarten with a "technical problem," though the ship has power. Passengers have contacted media outlets to report in painstaking detail issues with power outages and overflowing toilets last night and complaints about not being allowed to leave the ship, which was scheduled to depart yesterday at 5 pm. Cruise stocks are all down this morning given the developing story.

Here's excerpts from CCL's latest statement on the ship: "The ship is at dock in St. Maarten. All guests are safe and comfortable. There were periodic interruptions to elevators and restroom services for a few hours last night. However, all hotel systems are functioning normally and have been functional since approximately 12:30 am.

While personnel continue to work on the technical issue we are making arrangements to fly all guests home via private charter flights and scheduled flights from St. Maarten. Guests on the current voyage will receive a refund equivalent to three days of the voyage and 50 percent off a future cruise.

We are also cancelling the ship's next voyage which is scheduled to depart on Saturday, March 16. Guests scheduled to sail on this cruise will receive a full refund and 25 percent off a future seven-day cruise. Guests who re-book will have their current rate protected on the future sailing. Additionally, any non-refundable transportation related expenses will be reimbursed."



Response to KaryninMiami (Reply #41)

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