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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:54 PM Mar 2013

Mars Rover Curiosity Confirms Habitable Environment in Distant Past

Source: CBS News

Mars rover Curiosity confirms habitable environment in distant past
March 12, 2013

Analyzing powdered samples drilled from the interior of a sedimentary rock, the Curiosity Mars rover has detected traces of the chemicals and compounds necessary for a habitable environment in the red planet's distant past, scientists reported Tuesday.

Whether life ever managed to evolve on Mars remains an open question, but the environment characterized by Curiosity's instruments, an area where water once flowed and pooled, could have supported microbial life as it is known on Earth.

"The key thing here is an environment a microbe could have lived in and might have even prospered in," John Grotzinger, the Mars Science Laboratory project scientist, said during a news conference at NASA Headquarters.

Answering questions later, he added that "we have found a habitable environment that is so benign and supportive of life that probably if this water was around and you had been on the planet, you would have been able to drink it."

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57573899/mars-rover-curiosity-confirms-habitable-environment-in-distant-past

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olddots

(10,237 posts)
2. This should be big news
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:06 PM
Mar 2013

but Nooooooooooooooo science bad ! fire bad ! so what do we get ? no pope yet

NRaleighLiberal

(60,019 posts)
3. wouldn't it be something if Mars is now what the Earth is doomed to become....
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:18 PM
Mar 2013

due to the idiocy of the current (and likely future) crops of human beings....

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. That's right. Poke the bear.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:20 PM
Mar 2013

Don't come crying to me when Earth is crawling with Tripods, heat-rays burning your asses.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
5. If it can be shown that Mars once had an environment where life could have thrived
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:11 PM
Mar 2013

but in fact nothing happened, it could significantly change thinking about the amount of intelligent life there might be in the universe.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
6. Actually I have always tended toward a "life on Earth is a complete fluke" perspective.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:26 PM
Mar 2013

Notice I said "tended," 65%, maybe.

eggplant

(3,913 posts)
8. Yes, but a fluke multiplied by the number of planets in the universe makes for rather good odds. n/t
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:41 PM
Mar 2013

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
10. No, that's not a factor if the fluke is a complete anomaly.
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:24 PM
Mar 2013

You are correct in that it doesn't have to be a complete anomaly.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
17. Life on earth a fluke? Not very likely.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:48 AM
Mar 2013

But I've sometimes thought that it would be excruciatingly poignant if we develop the ability to find out what's "out there" in the hundreds of billions of galaxies in the Universe, and go searching for something like ourselves--somebody to talk to, somebody to share "human" history with--and look and look and look, to the far reaches of the farthest frontier, and find...

...nobody! Nobody AT ALL!

It's more a poetic thought, than a scientific one. 'We're all alone. Whatever intelligence there is, we are it. Whatever conscious appreciation of the universe there can be, we are responsible for.'

It gives me the willies. Such loneliness! And us, such frail, mortal creatures having to face such a crushing realization!

Well, it doesn't seem too likely that we will conquer the space-time barriers to find THAT out. And presumably it's way, wa-a-a-y in the future, beyond our ken.

For now, based on what we know and can reasonably speculate about, it is very unlikely that we are alone or unique. That will be hard enough for us to absorb, if "contact" occurs, as I'm fairly sure it will, barring one of our several possible armageddons and self-annihilation. Given the staggeringly huge and fast advances in astronomy, we seem to be catapulting towards "contact." It's also quite possible that breakthroughs will occur soon on the interchangeability of matter and on easy evasions of time-space barriers, so that "contact' with other intelligent species and civilizations will become even more likely, maybe even commonplace.

We may WELL have trouble communicating with other intelligent species or even recognizing them. But I do think that the tendency of matter to develop consciousness and intelligence cannot be unique. It's a natural phenomenon and no natural phenomenon is unique. Whether a microbe or a galaxy (or a brain) Mother Nature repeats and repeats and repeats in zillions of variations. She never does anything ONCE. It's just Her way--variety is the spice of the Universe. So, how many kinds of conscious brains are there, in the vast panoply of the heavens? Countless, I would guess!

Imagining that we are alone or unique is more a fancy than a probability. It DOES make you think--about...oh, responsibility for being "it"--the ONLY conscious species in the entire vast Universe. Um, shouldn't we stop killing each other? Isn't every human brain quite precious? Shouldn't we go to any lengths to preserve every bit of consciousness that has developed among us, no matter how much oil they have that our Corporate Rulers want? Like that. It's a useful meditation. But what may seem the more bizarre prospect--of MANY kinds of conscious and intelligent beings, resident throughout the Universe--is the much more likely reality.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
7. Since I was a little kid, I have had this notion,
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 06:38 PM
Mar 2013

that maybe there was once life on Mars. And that maybe someday there will be life on Venus. I'm sure someone with knowledge will tell me why that can't be. But since I was a little kid, I had this notion that over however many billions of years, life moves toward the sun. I thought that the asteroid belt could have once a planet where something went real wrong when it supported life. And that maybe someday life would die out on Earth and then billions of years later, life will spring up on Venus. And if the leaders of Earth didn't get it together, maybe there would be an asteroid belt where once was earth.

Amazing the things that kids think of. I probably had those thoughts while knelling under my desk science class during a nuclear attack drill in the early 50s.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
9. Not really
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:43 PM
Mar 2013

Life being able to thrive for a short period of time and nothing happening means, well, nothing.

The search will continue of Goldilocks planets like the earth, where all the conditions were "just right".

goldent

(1,582 posts)
11. I am no expert
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:21 PM
Mar 2013

But I have heard opinions of those who were experts (well, thought they were) who believed if the conditions are right, that it is very likely life will occur. Not sure what the reasoning was.

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
18. All conditions right, still needing Jeeeeeesuz, tho
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:54 AM
Mar 2013

to bring it all together in less than a week and then take a day off.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
16. What is the current thinking about "the amount of intelligent life...
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:37 AM
Mar 2013

...there might be in the universe"? It's all speculation until it isn't speculation and we know, for sure, that there is even one instance of life or intelligent life elsewhere in the universe--and even then, the universe is so vast and the time/space barriers are so daunting that it's unlikely that we will ever know the total "amount" of it in the Universe. And I don't think that even the most speculative of thinkers have ventured to guess what those "amounts" might be. I can't even think of sf writers who have tried that one.

Anybody? I can't think of any such predictions--let alone a consensus ("current thinking&quot . I could be wrong, but, anyway, if there is no accepted "current thinking" about the "amounts" of life or intelligent life in the Universe, then life having failed on Mars won't have any effect on such thinking.

Your scenario that Mars may have had a life-friendly environment but didn't develop life could be read the opposite way--that life is constantly trying to get a foothold, and will succeed in some places (as here) and not in others. That is, finding that life tried and failed on Mars could be a positive indicator about life elsewhere. One infinitesimal solar system (in the vastness of the Universe), two seedings of life, one highly successful. Makes the odds go up, doesn't it?

But it's such a limited sample that it tells us very little about probabilities. I think it's likely that this drama (success or failure of life getting a foothold) is occurring everywhere throughout the Universe. There is no reason whatever that it wouldn't be. And the more we learn about the prevalence of planets, and the conditions for life--including very unusual life habitats here on earth (the "extremophiles&quot --the more likely that those experiments are constantly in progress in very great numbers to the far reaches of the Universe.

One sample of a planet with abundant life, Earth, and one sample of life having the right conditions but failing for some reason, Mars, is simply not sufficient information. I think it's likely that we will find at least microbial life on the moons of Jupiter and/or Saturn. Some of those moons are more promising than Mars, as to current life. THAT will help, as to speculations about the Universe--if life is found throughout our solar system. There is no reason to think that our solar system is unique--and much reason to think that it is quite common, as solar systems go. Same with our galaxy--no reason to think it unique. We did at one time think that planets were rare. That wrong presumption has been completely overthrown, fairly recently. With better technology, astronomers are finding planets everywhere.

Scientists have limited the search to the Goldilocks planets (not too hot, not too cold--the right distance from suns) out of necessity (they had to start somewhere), but the existence of "extremophiles" on earth indicates that life and intelligent life could develop in non-temperate conditions--and even in completely...um, alien conditions, such as in particle clouds between planets.

I just heard about "water bears"--microbe sized critters (that apparently resemble bears when seen under a microscope) and live in numerous ponds and wetlands on Earth. Heard it on NPR's "Science Friday." These critters survive intense fire, survive intense freezing and survive being completely dried out. They just go dormant and then pop back to life when conditions are right. What's with that, eh? Eternal life despite the withdrawal of "Goldilocks" conditions! Sure makes you think about what might be "out there."

But it's early days in the search for life. Way early days--despite all our amazing progress. What's likely? That there is life everywhere. I think that's the best guess, at this point--despite our not having found any yet. Intelligent life? I think we may be in for some surprises, as to what can have intelligence. (We are also no doubt egocentric as to what we think intelligence is--consider Dolphins, for instance.)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. Yup, I read the story and went...Carl Sagan
Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:57 PM
Mar 2013

Is screaming in joy if there is anything ...

Boys and gird this was his life project.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. Cool!!!
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:11 AM
Mar 2013

He, yes he, got me interested in science and astronomy. I loved Cosmos, and Broca's brain...loved it

I should get a copy and re-read it.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
15. Cue the David Bowie
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:40 AM
Mar 2013
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I do wonder, though, if this was the major announcement that was on the verge of being released, then held up awhile back?
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