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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:20 PM Feb 2013

AB InBev Overstates Alcohol in Budweiser, Lawsuit Claims

Source: Bloomberg

Anheuser-Busch InBev NV (ABI), the world’s biggest brewer, was sued by consumers in three U.S. states for allegedly overstating the alcohol content in its Budweiser beer.

AB InBev’s St. Louis-based Anheuser-Busch Cos. routinely adds extra water to its finished products to produce malt beverages with significantly less alcohol content than displayed on its labels, violating state statutes on consumer protection, according to in a complaint filed yesterday in federal court in Philadelphia. Similar lawsuits were filed in federal courts in New Jersey and San Francisco.

“AB’s customers are overcharged for watered-down beer and AB is unjustly enriched by the additional volume it can sell,” Thomas and Gerald Greenberg said in the Philadelphia complaint.

AB InBev, the maker of Budweiser and Stella Artois, controls 39 percent of the U.S. beer market. The company is seeking government approval to buy the rest of Grupo Modelo SAB, Mexico’s largest beermaker, for $20.1 billion. The Modelo brands account for 7 percent of the U.S. market. AB InBev shipped 98.5 million barrels in the U.S. in 2011, according to Beer Marketer’s Insights.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-26/ab-inbev-overstates-alcohol-in-budweiser-lawsuit-claims.html



Hopefully foreign owned InBev will get its comeuppance for making shitty beer.

Craft Beers Forever!
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AB InBev Overstates Alcohol in Budweiser, Lawsuit Claims (Original Post) onehandle Feb 2013 OP
How is Budweiser like having sex in a canoe? KamaAina Feb 2013 #1
yes, yes mikeysnot Feb 2013 #3
It's amazing how fast you can find beer info online. Just start typing the name... onehandle Feb 2013 #6
what did they expect drinking that swill?! frylock Feb 2013 #2
As I know with my nineteen50 Feb 2013 #5
man do i love that torpedo.. frylock Feb 2013 #7
If you want something unique try nineteen50 Feb 2013 #16
oh yeah. i've partaken of the Bigfoot.. frylock Feb 2013 #19
Bell's Hopslam. mac56 Feb 2013 #32
taken under advisement.. frylock Feb 2013 #36
Sold out in no time where I am. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #39
torpedo is the best mopinko Feb 2013 #56
Sierra Nevada is kid stuff KamaAina Feb 2013 #12
Definitely with you on the Lagunitas! bluesbassman Feb 2013 #14
i'm a HUGE fan of Lagunitas and their fare.. frylock Feb 2013 #20
I've always wondered why that is KamaAina Feb 2013 #22
Crafts, in my experience, are never under their %. onehandle Feb 2013 #8
indeed! frylock Feb 2013 #10
If so, probably illegally . n/t Igel Feb 2013 #58
You could otherwise have a Colt 45 formercia Feb 2013 #9
more bang for the buck to be sure.. frylock Feb 2013 #11
Not as bad as Tropical Beer formercia Feb 2013 #13
mmmmmmmm.... you can really taste the malt and formaldehyde! frylock Feb 2013 #29
Mwaah, Green Flash, mwaah, gurgle gulp hatrack Feb 2013 #18
Beers that will kick your ass. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #27
great list! frylock Feb 2013 #28
I like all sorts of beer. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #30
and your address, kplzthx! frylock Feb 2013 #38
I'm cosmopolitan. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #40
Nothing wrong with getting your dick in the dirt, we all do it. Son of Gob Feb 2013 #45
Dont forget the Pacific North West rhett o rick Feb 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2013 #47
If I may add to the list... BreweryYardRat Feb 2013 #64
I contemplated buying Wake Up Dead today at the bottle shop. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #65
Sculpin is sublime. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #57
Add a little more Water formercia Feb 2013 #4
light OJ is another con BainsBane Feb 2013 #24
"The Man That Waters the Workers Beer" FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #15
Excellent! another_liberal Feb 2013 #34
Next Time You Go To Walmart DallasNE Feb 2013 #17
Sadly, it's not just at Walmart. King Soopers and Target do it as well. denverbill Feb 2013 #25
Cigar City in Tampa. Rated one of the top 5 breweries in the world recently. Fuddnik Feb 2013 #21
I could tell that just by tasting it BainsBane Feb 2013 #23
Forget Buttwiper! maddogesq Feb 2013 #26
Ah, another elitist beer thread. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #31
Not elitist; just alive. n/t Earth_First Feb 2013 #35
Elitist? Drinking local brew? You've got it backwards. We aren't supporting the corporate oligarchy AAO Feb 2013 #50
I used to despise "beer snobs" Nevernose Feb 2013 #66
Everything they make . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #33
Objection! Objection! Objection! Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #37
Now that is worth traveling to Pilsen AAO Feb 2013 #52
I beg to differ. Igel Feb 2013 #59
Here the beer from Ceske Budejovice is called Czechvar. Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #67
Try it nineteen50 Feb 2013 #41
I can't imagine anyone drinking Budweiser past 1985 or so. AAO Feb 2013 #42
Advertising. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #49
You can say that again. n/t AAO Feb 2013 #51
LOCAL craft beers forever! alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #44
Pennsylvania Rocks For Local Craft Beers! nt onehandle Feb 2013 #53
If you are ever in southern Wisconsin, including Madison.. AAO Feb 2013 #46
What I find strange is that guys I've seen that drive huge pickup trucks, with oversize tires and rhett o rick Feb 2013 #48
How Beer Saved The World Vinnie From Indy Feb 2013 #54
Auggie Busch is spinning in his grave benld74 Feb 2013 #55
WHOA. Budweiser is crappy? Who knew? (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #60
I recently discovered Deschutes Chainbreaker White IPA Mosby Feb 2013 #61
Beer and Cats Made Civilization Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #62
Victory is a great brewery. There's great beer here in Pennsylvania. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #63
There's beer in their bottled water...eom Kolesar Feb 2013 #68
Suit filed by former employees seeking millions $$$$ laureloak Feb 2013 #69

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. It's amazing how fast you can find beer info online. Just start typing the name...
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:33 PM
Feb 2013

...and they magically pop up. Whenever I look for something new at one of my favorite pubs, my iPhone is always at the ready.

'The King Of Beers'

Rated 53 on their scale
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/29/65

Rated 0 on their scale
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/budweiser/473

frylock

(34,825 posts)
2. what did they expect drinking that swill?!
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:27 PM
Feb 2013

I know that when the tender at my local hang pours me a delicious Green Flash West Coast IPA or Ballast Point Sculpin IPA that i'm getting every bit of the 7.0% ABV that's advertised.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
7. man do i love that torpedo..
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:38 PM
Feb 2013

if you like hops, and I just bet that you do, you'll enjoy the two examples I listed. hoppy drinking!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
19. oh yeah. i've partaken of the Bigfoot..
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:12 PM
Feb 2013

and you're right. one is enough. I've had bigger beers. Avery Maharaja is one I had just the other night that clocks in at 10%, and I can handle two of those no prob. But there's something about the barley wine that just kicks my ass!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
12. Sierra Nevada is kid stuff
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:42 PM
Feb 2013

Lagunitas, Stone, Firestone and Anderson Valley all do better IPAs. And that's just within California!

The first two also have other ales (Lagunitas Little Sumpin' Extra and Stone Arrogant Bastard) that are well worth your while.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
20. i'm a HUGE fan of Lagunitas and their fare..
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:16 PM
Feb 2013

Lagunitas IPA is one of my regulars. Stone is good for sure, but down here in San Diego I'd rather have something from Ballast Point or Port Brewing. you can't swing a dead cat down here without hitting a micro or macro brewer! Societe in Kearney Mesa is a fairly new brewer that I'm really digging right now.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
22. I've always wondered why that is
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:21 PM
Feb 2013

given that San Diego does not exactly have an oversupply of the main ingredient, water. Seems like it would make more sense to brew here in NorCal and ship south.

But then there'd be no Arrogant Bastard.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
8. Crafts, in my experience, are never under their %.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:38 PM
Feb 2013

I've had a few that kicked my ass, that I was sure were a point or two higher.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
11. more bang for the buck to be sure..
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:41 PM
Feb 2013

we used to get quarts of King Cobra at the local bodega for 99 cents. don't miss those days at all!

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
27. Beers that will kick your ass.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:44 PM
Feb 2013

Lagunitas Brown Shugga, 9.99% ABV.
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Great Lakes Alchemy Hour Double IPA, 9.4% ABV.
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Dogfish Head Palo Santo Marron, 12% ABV.
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Founders Imperial Stout, 10.5% ABV.
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Brasserie Dubuisson Scaldis Noel, 12% ABV.
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Dogfish Head Immort Ale, 11% ABV.
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Two Brothers Revelry, 9.5% ABV.
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Troegs Mad Elf Ale, 11% ABV.
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North Coast Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout, 9% ABV.
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North Coast Old Stock Ale, 11.9% ABV.
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Unibroue La Fin Du Monde, 9% ABV.
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Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout, 10% ABV.
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Great Lakes Blackout Stout, 9% ABV.
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Three Floyds Dreadnaught IPA, 9.5% ABV.
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I'm of the philosophy of "One and Done."

frylock

(34,825 posts)
28. great list!
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:49 PM
Feb 2013

I'm more of an American Pale Ale guy. they tend to be in the 5-6 range, and I can enjoy 3 or 4 without getting my dick in the dirt!

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
30. I like all sorts of beer.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:00 PM
Feb 2013

Last edited Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:28 AM - Edit history (1)

All my life I've collected things, from music to political info and now to beer.

I've been graced (cursed?) to live next to a beverage store that boasts the second largest selection of beer in Ohio, and I frequently stop in to see what's new.

I tend to buy things quicker than I can drink, so my fridge is slightly overstocked. (There's over 30 different beers, along with a package of hot dogs and some hummus.)
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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. Dont forget the Pacific North West
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:08 PM
Feb 2013

Silverdale, WA

Fat Scotch Ale (was Fat Bastard but lost law suit for name) 9.2% alcohol 30 IBU's

Whoop Pass Double IPA 8.5% alcohol and 85 IBU

to name two.

http://www.silvercitybrewery.com/restaurant/beer.htm

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #43)

BreweryYardRat

(6,556 posts)
64. If I may add to the list...
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:21 PM
Feb 2013

Left Hand's Wake Up Dead (Russian Imperial Stout, 10.2% ABV) is -- hands down -- one of the best beers I've ever had the pleasure to enjoy.



Smuttynose's Gravitation (Belgian Quad -- ABV varies yearly, anything from 6.6% -- 12%) is fucking delicious -- if you like raisins.



Smuttynose's Baltic Porter (8-9% ABV) is equally luscious, with coffee and chocolate flavors, and while the taste of raisins is present, it's much less overpowering.



Weyerbacher also makes fantastic beer -- especially their Blithering Idiot Barleywine (11%) and Old Heathen Stout (8%).

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
65. I contemplated buying Wake Up Dead today at the bottle shop.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:21 AM
Feb 2013

It was reasonably priced and something I hadn't had before, but I ended up with a six of North Coast Ruedrich's Red Seal Ale and a single of Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Stout. (I wasn't too sure about the stout, so I thought I would take a chance with a single.)

I haven't seen those particular Smuttynose beers before, but I will keep them in mind when I'm shopping. (I like the taste of raisins in beer, and I'm a big fan of Dogfish Head Raison D'Etre.)

The only Weyerbacher beers I've had are Heresy, Imperial Pumpkin, and Last Chance IPA. (Last Chance isn't all that great, but sales go to help animals that are about to be put down, so it's tolerable.)

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
57. Sculpin is sublime.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:02 AM
Feb 2013

Big Eye IPA ain't too shabby either.
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Have you tried Ballast Point Victory at Sea Coffee Vanilla Imperial Porter? There's one in my fridge that's been on the "To Drink" list for a while now...

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
15. "The Man That Waters the Workers Beer"
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 05:51 PM
Feb 2013

MAN THAT WATERS THE WORKERS' BEER
(Paddy Ryan)

I am the man, the very fat man,
That waters the workers' beer
I am the man, the very fat man,
That waters the workers' beer
And what do I care if it makes them ill,
If it makes them terribly queer
I've a car, a yacht, and an aeroplane,
And I waters the workers' beer

Now when I waters the workers' beer,
I puts in strychnine
Some methylated spirits,
And a can of kerosine
Ah, but such a brew so terribly strong,
It would make them terribly queer
So I reaches my hand for the watering-can
And I waters the workers' beer

Now a drop of good beer is good for a man
When he's tired, thirsty and hot
And I sometimes have a drop myself,
From a very special pot
For a strong and healthy working class
Is the thing that I most fear
So I reaches my hand for the watering-can
And I waters the workers' beer

Now ladies fair, beyond compare,
Be you maiden or wife
Spare a thought for such a man
Who leads such a lonely life
For the water rates are frightfully high,
And the meths is terribly dear
And there ain't the profit there used to be
In watering the workers' beer

@drink
Copyright Workers Music Association

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
17. Next Time You Go To Walmart
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:09 PM
Feb 2013

Read the fine print on the meat labels. A few years ago I stopped buying meat there because that $10 a pound steak contained 10% injected water, meaning the actual cost of the meat was $11 a pound.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
25. Sadly, it's not just at Walmart. King Soopers and Target do it as well.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:24 PM
Feb 2013

King Soopers does it to almost all of their pork. Target does it to a lot of their meats but also carries organic stuff that isn't juiced.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
21. Cigar City in Tampa. Rated one of the top 5 breweries in the world recently.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:19 PM
Feb 2013

Jai Alai IPA will knock your socks off! 8.5%

And it don't taste like any fucking Budweiser.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
50. Elitist? Drinking local brew? You've got it backwards. We aren't supporting the corporate oligarchy
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:26 PM
Feb 2013

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
66. I used to despise "beer snobs"
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:14 AM
Feb 2013

And thought they were a bunch of hipster assholes who just thumbed their noses at anything mainstream. And don't get me wrong -- some of them are. Some days after a really hard day I'll pop open a can of Steel Reserve (I'm drinking one now, in fact) and I still think a cold Michelob on a hot Mojave desert afternoon is the equal of most microbrews.

However, I changed my opinion after streaming "Beer Wars" on Netflix. The corporate sheninagans legally pulled -- price fixing, lawsuits, graft, etc. -- were enough to get me to reconsider the microbrew industry. Most of them seem to be weirdos who have a big dream and a passion for quality beer, and often I'll give them my money just because of that. Coors/InBev/MegaBeerCo really don't need my money, and variety is the spice of life.

(Still don't like Bud very much, though, but I never did, not even in high school)

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
33. Everything they make . . .
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:14 PM
Feb 2013

Everything they make is basically rain water with a little food coloring anyway. Totally wretched swill, to say the least.

(But wasn't that a cute commercial!)

Wolf Frankula

(3,601 posts)
37. Objection! Objection! Objection!
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:30 PM
Feb 2013

Budweiser is NOT beer! It's a malt flavored beverage seasoned with hop extract. It is not beer!
This is beer!

Wolf

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Igel

(35,320 posts)
59. I beg to differ.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:52 AM
Feb 2013

Budweiser is, indeed, beer--and quite good beer. Provided that you're drinking it--whether svetle or tmave, light or dark--in the town of Budweis.

Budweis is usually called "Ceske Budejovice" these days since the days of German hegemony ended and is conveniently located in the Czech Republic.

Urquell (Prazdroj) is the crap of Czech beers, made at a large plant in the southern part of Prague. Scores, if not hundreds, of Czech beers are better. Then again, what's crap and what's not is entirely relative.

Wolf Frankula

(3,601 posts)
67. Here the beer from Ceske Budejovice is called Czechvar.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:18 AM
Feb 2013

It is very good, and is much better than the Inbev imitation. The Pilsner Urquell I drink is the unfiltered variety on draft in my neighborhood beerhouse, not the green bottled stuff. The problem with green glass is the light makes it skunky.

Wolf

nineteen50

(1,187 posts)
41. Try it
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:43 PM
Feb 2013

Ovila Abbey Quad With Plums 10.2%
And help rebuild the 1190 -1220ad Stone Chapter House imported from Spain now being restored at the New Clairvaux Abbey.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
42. I can't imagine anyone drinking Budweiser past 1985 or so.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:00 PM
Feb 2013

Or any other American "macro beer". Our population is uneducated in more ways than one.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
48. What I find strange is that guys I've seen that drive huge pickup trucks, with oversize tires and
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:18 PM
Feb 2013

wheels, with a gun rack, etc. and they drink ice cold Bud Light, Light which taste to me like lousy water.

I guess I am not a "real" man.

I second "kraft beers forever".

Mosby

(16,319 posts)
61. I recently discovered Deschutes Chainbreaker White IPA
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:58 PM
Feb 2013

It's great for people who don't like "strong" beer but its still an IPA.

My fave high alcohol beer is Hops Rising (double IPA) by Squatter. Their IPA is excellent.

Trappist rochfort 10 (sp) is pretty good.

Wolf Frankula

(3,601 posts)
62. Beer and Cats Made Civilization
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:52 PM
Feb 2013

Beer made accumulating large amounts of grain desirable. Cats made it possible.

And isn't that Tom Baker (the 4th Doctor) on the Old Rasputin bottle? (A yummy RIS. Almost as good as Victory Storm King.)

Wolf

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laureloak

(2,055 posts)
69. Suit filed by former employees seeking millions $$$$
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:19 AM
Feb 2013

Not worth a hoot. Again, the real story is who is behind the sabotage of 3G Capital holdings.

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