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Lasher

(27,597 posts)
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 10:59 PM Feb 2013

Top Senate Republican doubts damage from defense cuts

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN) -- Anticipating possible political backlash if forced federal spending cuts kick in as expected later this week, the Senate's No. 2 Republican said Monday that he is preparing a message he plans to hit hard: The cuts are not going to have as negative an impact as the Pentagon and others in the Obama administration are saying.

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas said he plans to make the case to other Republicans and the public that despite warnings from the Pentagon that the mandated cuts will be devastating, the overall amount of defense spending will actually still rise.

Cornyn conceded that until now he had been parroting what Defense Secretary Leon Panetta continuously warns -- that automatic, government-wide cuts could jeopardize national security.

But the veteran senator said he looked into it and will now argue that even if the cuts go through on March 1, the Pentagon will still see its budget go up.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/politics/budget-republicans/?hpt=hp_t1



Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Cornyn is right on this.
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Top Senate Republican doubts damage from defense cuts (Original Post) Lasher Feb 2013 OP
The Media Too chuckstevens Feb 2013 #1
Ain't that something, the GOPpers Iliyah Feb 2013 #2
Actually, I agree with Cornyn. earthside Feb 2013 #3
People I know who work for the Defense Dept. may have to take 20% salary cuts, not a drop in.... northoftheborder Feb 2013 #4
Working for 'Defense' Department ... earthside Feb 2013 #8
Wow, such envy. NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #9
Cornyn is an idiot Zorro Feb 2013 #5
I'm not sure why they were howling about this, and now seem OK with it. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #7
I Don't Have The Numbers In Front Of Me DallasNE Feb 2013 #6
my fiancee is in the army, he says when cuts come thru... CarrieLynne Feb 2013 #10
The Defense Department is able to shift funds Lasher Feb 2013 #11
oh thank you for the info! CarrieLynne Feb 2013 #14
Here's some more information Lasher Feb 2013 #15
Tell that to the CRK7376 Feb 2013 #12
The important thing is his donors won't buy it. sofa king Feb 2013 #13
 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
1. The Media Too
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:07 PM
Feb 2013

It's amazing that the media is also downplaying the hurt that the Republican obstructionism cuts are going to cause. Also, why is it that these cuts are happening in the first place? Oh yeah; It's because the debt celling (which was always raised without question in the past) was suddenly an issue when a Black Democrat became President.

Hey Self-Righteous Republicans; FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Ain't that something, the GOPpers
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:18 PM
Feb 2013

are in the process of hurting their base and you know what, GOPpers don't give a shit, and guess what, the same base will vote for them anyways. Talk about blinded.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
3. Actually, I agree with Cornyn.
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 11:31 PM
Feb 2013

The cuts to the military are so small compared to the size of the Pentagon's total budget that they are a drop in a very large bucket.

That Cornyn comes to this conclusion just reenforces my contention that we could cut the military a whole, whole lot more.

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
4. People I know who work for the Defense Dept. may have to take 20% salary cuts, not a drop in....
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:16 AM
Feb 2013

....the bucket for them.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
8. Working for 'Defense' Department ...
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:11 AM
Feb 2013

... a poor choice of occupation.

Welcome to the world of stagnant wages, reduced benefits and increasing prices that the rest of us live in.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
5. Cornyn is an idiot
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:25 AM
Feb 2013

and when the sequester hits he will understand just how negative an effect it will have on Texas.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
6. I Don't Have The Numbers In Front Of Me
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:49 AM
Feb 2013

But when you factor in that all of these cuts will take place in the last 7 months of FY 2013 does this still hold? I assume that the statement is correct on a full year basis but is it also true for the last 7 months of the year. I think people may be playing numbers games. And using the $85 billion number is misleading because on an annualized basis the cuts would amount to $145.7 billion.

CarrieLynne

(497 posts)
10. my fiancee is in the army, he says when cuts come thru...
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:22 AM
Feb 2013

they can cut People, Items or activities/actions...but they cut the peoples jobs, not the 'stuff' but the people he said soon as cuts happen, people are out of work...people with families....that makes no sense to me! why not buy a few less vehicles or ammo or whatever?

in turn I think this probably feeds into the resentment for those who support cuts....Do any of you know WHO decides WHERE cuts will be made in defense?

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
11. The Defense Department is able to shift funds
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:55 AM
Feb 2013

So ultimately the Secretary of Defense is deciding what gets cut.

The Department of Defense is the biggest 'loser' of any government department. It's estimated that the DoD would have to cut 11 percent of its budget each year to reach the $55 billion cuts.

The Defense Department would be able to shift funds "to ensure war fighting and critical military readiness capabilities were not degraded," but non-deployed units, equipment and facilities, and research and development efforts would all take a hit.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100378424/Sequestration__CNBC_Explains

I agree with you about buying less vehicles and other new material, and I think closing foreign military bases should be a top priority. But in my opinion, new toys and foreign outposts are among the last things that the Pentagon would voluntarily give up.

This year's military personnel accounts have been exempted from sequestration by President Obama, so cutting your fiancee's pay is not one of the Pentagon's options.

CarrieLynne

(497 posts)
14. oh thank you for the info!
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:56 PM
Feb 2013

hes all over the map politically, so I'm working on him lol ... this will help!!

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
15. Here's some more information
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 06:09 PM
Feb 2013

Last edited Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:50 PM - Edit history (1)

These automatic spending cuts were to have kicked in at the beginning of this year, as provided by The Budget Control Act of 2011. These cuts are called sequestration (AKA the fiscal cliff). They apply to discretionary spending only. Social Security and Medicare are examples of non-discretionary spending that is exempt from this sequestration. Congress, in particular Congressional Republicans, insisted on these cuts as a condition of raising the debt ceiling at that time.

On January 2, Congress and The President kicked this can down the road until next month by passing The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012.

CRK7376

(2,199 posts)
12. Tell that to the
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 12:11 PM
Feb 2013

civilian workforce here at Fort Jackson. If the cuts go through most of the workers will suffer a 20% pay cut..ie... one day a week of no work....but hey, they still have a job right???? Unless they are deemed essential...police/fire department etc....It will be painful and yes Soldiers and their families will also suffer. Not as apparent on the surface, but tell that to those being forced out of the service before they are ready to leave....for all the various reasons, some good, some bad....

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
13. The important thing is his donors won't buy it.
Tue Feb 26, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

Because it is going to be Cornyn's soon-to-be former benefactors who take the financial hit for it. They know what happened, they know who did it, and why, and they are pissed off about it.

It's worth repeating why the Republicans did it: Because they are irredeemably greedy, and two years ago they convinced themselves that their only job was to keep taxes low for rich people. So when the President identified their greed and presented them with the choice of ruining the government credit rating or defending their Defense contractors, they rolled the Defense contractors under the bus.

The GOP thought that by depressing the economy through governmental delay and uncertainty, the President would cave into their pressure, and eventually be defeated for reelection. Instead, the President made Republicans harm their own constituents with every choice they made, and while not many of them noticed, it was enough.

Cornyn's statements appear to be shaped with that reality in mind: Republicans are not competent or responsible enough to make good choices, so instead they'll just minimize the effects of the damage they have already caused.

It's the first disturbance on the surface while a tidal wave of retribution against Republicans rushes forward underneath. May they drown in their own sewage.

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