Iran Says It Has Captured A Foreign 'Enemy Drone'
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Source: Associated Press
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard said Saturday that it had captured a foreign unmanned aircraft during a military exercise in southern Iran.
Gen. Hamid Sarkheili, a spokesman for the military exercise, said the Guard's electronic warfare unit spotted signals indicating that foreign drones were trying to enter Iranian airspace. Sarkheili said Guard experts took control of one drone's navigation system and brought it down near the city of Sirjan where the military drills began on Saturday.
"While probing signals in the area, we spotted foreign and enemy drones which attempted to enter the area of the war game," the official IRNA news agency quoted the general as saying. "We were able to get one enemy drone to land."
Sarkheili did not say whether the drone was American.
In Washington, a CIA spokeswoman declined to comment on the report.
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UPDATE: Iran's Revolutionary Guard denies drone capture
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard is denying that it captured a foreign unmanned aircraft during a military exercise in southern Iran.
A spokesman for the Guard, Yasin Hasanali, told The Associated Press that the drone was actually being used during the drill as a supposed enemy aircraft.
Iranian media on Saturday quoted a spokesman for the Guard as saying that its electronic warfare unit had taken control of a foreign drone's navigation system and forced it to land during the site of the military exercise.
Iran has claimed to have captured several U.S. drones, including an advanced RQ-170 Sentinel CIA spy drone in December 2011 and at least three ScanEagle aircraft.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_DRONE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/23/iran-captured-drone/1941837/
Well, no one disputes that they have done it before...
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)american :p
wonder if it was actually ours this time ?
at any rate..
if they are gaining control of these aircraft
then why havent they just used them for their own uses? or made them into suicide bomber drones (that would explode the next time they landed) ?
seems like if u were working quick enough,
you could get one to land... put a bomb in it... and then have it back in the air n back under the US control ..then next time it lands.. boom?
not trying to give people ideas but... seems like theyd be doing more with them than just photo ops
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)They did observe our illegal invasion of its neighbor, Iraq and are preparing accordingly.
After that 'crusade'... who they hell can really blame them?
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)you mean, not formally aggressive?
i mean, they do participate in other countrys affairs just as we do..
not to mention id say how they treat any resistance from their own population as definitely aggressive...
im not sure what you mean by 'not in their interests'..
such an action could be blamed on others after all..
i dont think such actions would be cause for war...
i dont honestly believe either side wants that, regardless of what some hawks in congress try to say..
and seeing as the aircraft was there illegally.. and not supposed to be known about..
we usually just deny and move on :p
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You don't always have to use brute force to take care of what you perceive as an opponent. Police infiltration, permit revocation, pepper spray? All that and more is how the USA handles dissent that they don't like.
Iran shoots and kills people.
So the USA is just more refined in its tactics, but it still gets its job done.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)The Iranians have not started a war of aggression for well over a Century long before they even resembled the modern Iranian nation state. The US goes out and finds wars, that is about as different as night and day. Even their last most brutal war was waged against them by Saddam on the behalf of the US think about that for a second before you try to equate our two countries. When was the last time Iran armed Mexico and bullied them into war with us?
hack89
(39,171 posts)Hezbollah and Hamas immediately comes to mind.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"Suicide bomber drone"? The inane shit people dream up to vilify who the media has trained them to hate.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)All people should have a free and open internet with the entire world.
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cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)The concept may seem odd to you, but other countries have a right to defend themselves against predators, like the US government.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)But how about stopping with trying to make excuses for Iran? What they did was reprehensible just as Gitmo is reprehensible.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)It was using it to coordinate terrorist attacks against Iran. What would the US do if another country was found to be using its embassy in an attempted coup d'etat against the US government?
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Unless of course you believe all the hostages were at "fault" for the actions of our government.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)have been waging war against the Iranian people since 1953. They are 100% responsible for all of the developments in Iran since then, including the extremist elements that now control Iranian civil society. The opinions of the 55 hostages are of no consequence. More intervention by the US in the Middle East, will do nothing but make things worse there.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Forgive me but I find that difficult to believe, after all we tried it here in the US and the nut jobs are now in charge of the GOP and even managed to seize control of congress.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)That's what the Iranian people want. It isn't our place to reform their government. That's a job for the people there. The current government is a direct result of US intervention. More of the same will only make things worse.
I don't understand your analogy to the political situation in the US. That isn't a result of foreign intervention. We have ourselves to blame for that. Anyway, the last thing I would want, is a foreign power forcing its will on my country.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)the concerns of varies nations including the US as far as its nuke program goes ron.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)There is no evidence of nuclear weapons, or even a program. The IAEA's report is clear on this. All signatories, however, according to the NPT, are forbidden from forcing arbitrary decisions on other signatories.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)They claimed peaceful development but now they are anything but behaving in a peaceful manner and are now attempting to blackmail the US and considering statements by the Iranian government I believe Iran would probably do the same thing plus you are forgetting the other thing which is a bigger thing that the weapons aspect imo.
That thing being I thought we were supposed to try discouraging any government (including our own) from building nuclear power plants and instead to encourage investment in green forms of energy rather than nuclear power which has the severe drawbacks of accidents (like Fukushima and Chernobyl) not to mention the problem with the long term storage of spent fuel?
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)after all you did bring them and their reports regarding Iran in over this, enjoy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014414360
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Did you notice that article doesn't mention an IAEA report, at all, and that it doesn't say Iran is in violation of the NPT?
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Iran is not cooperating?
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)I saw where the author of the article presumably paraphrased, but I saw no quote. Anyway, the official report is where the rubber meets the road.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)He is quoted as saying
However, Iran is not providing the necessary cooperation to enable us to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities. The Agency therefore cannot conclude that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities,
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)which articles of the safeguards agreement Iran is violating?
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Infcircs/Others/infcirc214.pdf
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Why? Thats not my job but rather thats what the IAEA is for and as I have shown ron they cannot provide assurance that Irans nuclear material is being used purely for peaceful activities because the IAEA (who you brought up in the first place) is not getting the cooperation from Iran that it needs.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Arbitrary demands are not legally enforceable, which is why the official IAEA report says Iran is in compliance.
You are attempting to create false impressions in the minds of the gullible, with misinformation.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)As for spreading misinformation please post your proof that Director General Yukiya Amano never made that statement because I for one honestly would be interested in reading it.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Your attempt to diminish the United States misdeeds against the Iranian people with that statement demonstrates either an ignorance of history, lack of logic or apologetic bias.
That said, no Iran does not need excuses, but the US can clean up its act at the same time. It does not have to be one or the other.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Edit: And I grasp history just well thank you, I just dont believe in chewing on things decades in the past like old vomit.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)In, fact I think nearly all of them were innocent of any wrong doing. The people who were truly culpable were the policy makers in Washington running the show. If any of the embassy workers tried to go against the grain, they would have gotten the Bradley Manning treatment.
As far as chewing on the past. You were the one who brought it up by speaking of the hostage crisis, which was a tiny response compared to destroying their Democracy.
You were passing off the overthrow as no big deal. If you know the history, then your problem is one of the other two things I listed.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Because the fact is it like many governments of the world does screw up and do things it knows it shouldnt do.
As for me bring it up the only reason I did was to point out that the government of Iran isnt exactly an angel anymore than ours is.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)These weren't civilians they held, they were agents of a foreign power who had proven to be an existential treat to their nations sovereignty. There is no versions of history where we can paint the Iranians as villains without facing the rank hypocrisy of our own actions. We have far and away done more harm to those people and that region then both Shahs and the ruling council combined.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)were all spies?
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)and you can easily come to the answer yourself as to what constitutes an agent of a foreign power.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Look, its not a big deal and you do not need to be defensive that you were wrong about all the hostages being agents of the government, its ok.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)If you understood neoliberlism at all then you would understand a business person is an agent of a foreign power.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)honest. Happen to have link handy to that info?
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)an agent of the government? Do you have some unclassified documents? What about a copy of a letter he wrote admitting it?
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)or any of the other things you would like to pretend I said which I didn't.
Obviously your reading comprehension level hinders any meaningful interaction. In all seriousness you should take the time to learn if not about neoliberlism at least about mercantilism and traditional imperialism, the world will be a far less confusing place for you.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)green for victory
(591 posts)Koppel babbled on for 444 days and never mentioned the Elephant in the Living Room. (because the 1953 coup was still classified)
Who says the Gov can't keep a secret?
Spreading Democracy-
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Perhaps the Chinese or Russians or both are working with them to capture drones: US or otherwise.
If their capture policy is in its infancy then you want to learn as much a you can, before yo would turn them into suicide bombers.
But that is a good question to ask.
Perhaps in time they would do just that, but not capture them. If the Iranians were able to capture one in their country then perhaps the could commandeer one outside of its borders, use it to destroy a soft or hard target and blame it on the USA.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)The government even considered starting a war over it.
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Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Because there is no real motivation to and it would not be a good idea. That's why.
The Fox news has done a good job of brain washing Americans into thinking Middle Easterners are just foaming at the mouth and can't wait to kill any of us the second they have the chance. They can strike us in a lot of ways, but they don't. People need to grow up look at the situation as it exists, not some action movie fantasy of bad guys trying to destroy the world.
Robb
(39,665 posts)I look forward to additional patented Iranian Shake-O-Cam(tm) footage of this one, too.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)The government of Iran announced that the aircraft was brought down by its Cyber warfare unit stationed near Kashmar[3][4][5][6] and "brought down with minimum damage"[7] They said the aircraft was detected in Iranian airspace some 225 kilometers (140 mi) from the border with Afghanistan.[8]
The government of the United States initially claimed that its forces in Afghanistan had lost control of a UAV on 4 December 2011 and that there was a possibility that this is the vehicle that crashed near Kashmar. According to unnamed U.S. officials, a U.S. UAV operated by the Central Intelligence Agency was flying on the Afghan side of the Afghanistan-Iran border when its operators lost control of the vehicle.[9][10] There have been reports that "foreign officials and American experts who have been briefed on the effort" state that the crashed UAV was taking part in routine surveillance of Iranian nuclear facilities inside Iranian airspace.[11]
The drone appeared to be largely intact, except for possible minor visible damage on its left wing. Dan Goure, an analyst at the Lexington Institute, stated the largely intact airframe ruled out the possibility of an engine or navigational malfunction: "Either this was a cyber/electronic warfare attack system that brought the system down or it was a glitch in the command-and-control system."[12] Stephen Trimble from Flight Global assumes[13] UAV guidance could be targeted by 1L222 Avtobaza radar jamming and deception system supplied to Iran by Russia.
The Department of Defense released a statement acknowledging that it had lost control of a UAV during the previous week, claiming that it was "flying a mission over western Afghanistan" when control was lost. The statement did not specify the model of the aircraft. The U.S. government also stated that it was still investigating the cause of the loss.[14]
A Christian Science Monitor article relates an Iranian engineer's assertion that the drone was captured by jamming both satellite and land-originated control signals to the UAV, followed up by a GPS spoofing attack that fed the UAV false GPS data to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its home base in Afghanistan. In an interview for Nova, U.S. retired Lt. General David Deptula also said "There was a problem with the aircraft and it landed in an area it wasn't supposed to land".[15][16] American aeronautical engineers dispute this, pointing out that as is the case with the MQ-1 Predator, the MQ-9 Reaper, and the Tomahawk (missile), "GPS is not the primary navigation sensor for the RQ-170... The vehicle gets its flight path orders from an inertial navigation system".[17] Inertial navigation continues to be used on military aircraft despite the advent of GPS because GPS signal jamming and spoofing are relatively simple operations.[18]
US acknowledgement
On 6 December 2011, U.S. officials acknowledged that a drone crashed in or near Iranian airspace and that this belonged to the CIA and not to ISAF as was earlier stated. U.S. officials did not state that the drone shown on Iranian television was actually a real RQ-170 (which has been public knowledge since 2009),[19] although a former U.S. official confirmed that the drone shown on the Iranian state media was a U.S. RQ-170, used for surveillance of Tehran's nuclear facilities.
On 5 December 2011, U.S. military sources confirmed that the remains of an RQ-170 had been captured by Iranian forces. However, media reports indicated that various U.S. officials declined to confirm whether or not the drone in the video released by Iranian state television was authentic.[20] On 8 December 2011, a senior U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Washington Post that the U.S. cannot be certain the drone shown was real because the U.S. does not have access to it, but also stated that "We have no indication that it was brought down by hostile fire."[14] A second senior U.S. military official said that a major question is how the drone could have remained "virtually intact," given the high altitude from which it is said to have crashed. U.S. Navy Captain John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, told a news conference on 8 December 2011 that Pentagon analysts were examining the video.[21] Both Kirby and fellow spokesman George Little would not comment further on whether the U.S. military believed the drone was the one missing, both did say that the missing drone had not been recovered.[21] However, later that day, CBS reported that the US officials have confirmed in private the authenticity of the drone shown by the Iranians.[22]
Various experts interviewed by CNN stated that the drone looked real and noted a lack of damage that a firefight would have inflicted. They posited that system failure such as a "flat spin" or "falling leaf departure" would have resulted in damage to the belly of the aircraft but little damage to other components.[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident
Robb
(39,665 posts)Why have we seen exactly one shakey-cam video of this thing, from a distance?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)If it is the most recent...stay tuned.
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Plug that puppy into your network and see what the booby prize is today.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Bosonic
(3,746 posts)TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard is denying that it captured a foreign unmanned aircraft during a military exercise in southern Iran.
A spokesman for the Guard, Yasin Hasanali, told The Associated Press that the drone was actually being used during the drill as a supposed enemy aircraft.
Iranian media on Saturday quoted a spokesman for the Guard as saying that its electronic warfare unit had taken control of a foreign drone's navigation system and forced it to land during the site of the military exercise.
Iran has claimed to have captured several U.S. drones, including an advanced RQ-170 Sentinel CIA spy drone in December 2011 and at least three ScanEagle aircraft.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_DRONE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)shcrane71
(1,721 posts)on targeted assassinations of Westerners.
LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)If so they should keep it.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The Iranians would pose for pictures next to any other drones they 'captured'. This could be more of a fib about capture several drones or a veiled threat, sword rattling. This generation of Iranian adults have no love for Americans. I would think we would mostly use our satellites to keep an eye on what we want. But who knows? this is our Federal military who are known for big spending on their military toys. Wonder how many billions we have spent on the federal drone program.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)captured another drone.
cbrer
(1,831 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Ken Burch
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