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Found in Yonkers

(100 posts)
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:01 PM Jan 2012

If it's 60 degrees F, it must be spring ... or not

By Miguel Llanos, msnbc.com

Temperatures in the 50s and 60s across much of the Northeast and Great Lakes region on Tuesday added to the drama over whether this month will go down as the warmest January on record in the continental U.S. The warm spell has also generated plenty of chatter and even a spring of sorts -- folks walking around in shorts and flowers blooming early.

Weather.com expected at least a dozen cities on Tuesday would set or approach records for a Jan. 31, with temperatures up to 20 degrees above average. "With the very warm air mass, several more record highs are anticipated on Wednesday as we kick off the month of February," weather.com meteorologist

Deke Arndt, the head honcho when it comes to monitoring temperatures for the National Weather Service, told msnbc.com that where he lives, in Asheville, N.C., he gets "a lot of people" asking about the emergence of daffodils in recent weeks.

Arndt tells them that while he's not a plant expert, "it's been very warm" and plants "are responding to soil temperatures."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/31/10280563-if-its-60-degrees-f-it-must-be-spring-or-not

Gosh, I wonder what could be happening???

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If it's 60 degrees F, it must be spring ... or not (Original Post) Found in Yonkers Jan 2012 OP
Nice day. But its still winter in Michigan. We don't take it too seriously. MichiganVote Jan 2012 #1
Here On Ohio's Eastern Shore thatgemguy Jan 2012 #2
And Europe is in an unusual deep freeze liberal N proud Jan 2012 #3
No, this is normal for this time of year here DFW Feb 2012 #25
Keep warm liberal N proud Feb 2012 #33
Winter has been cancelled in Kansas City. tridim Jan 2012 #4
Send some this way! DFW Feb 2012 #26
If the Groundhog sees his shadow on Thursday AnnieBW Jan 2012 #5
Saw a groundhog road kill yesterday n/t doc03 Jan 2012 #8
already out of their holes! not waiting for 2/2 lunasun Jan 2012 #12
We had about 4-5 inches of snow melt in less than 2 days htuttle Jan 2012 #6
Was 61º here in Ohio, went to the range doc03 Jan 2012 #7
My husband and I were able to take out our road bikes... a la izquierda Feb 2012 #34
Mmmm its unusual weather to be sure but its happened before, just check cstanleytech Jan 2012 #9
There have been similar extremes in the past. freedom fighter jh Jan 2012 #13
Perhaps you meant that 2nd part of the reply for someone else, if not then cstanleytech Jan 2012 #17
I am not a historian, but I sure can't remember a sustained rurallib Jan 2012 #16
It is in the mid-60s here in North Georgia RebelOne Jan 2012 #10
Yup same here, makes me worry that we are for an even worse summer than usual. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #18
The early spring trees and flowers are in full bloom here- 6 weeks early. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #11
Sssshhh. You hush now and don't scare anybody up with that fucking climate change gibberish. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #14
Who said anything about...cc? Found in Yonkers Feb 2012 #31
And yet, Arctic Dave is freezing his gibblet bearings off in one of the crappiest Januaries he can Arctic Dave Jan 2012 #15
I hate you sir!!! cstanleytech Jan 2012 #19
Well at least the Arctic remains cold - TBF Feb 2012 #35
Right around the same time last year...... AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #38
We lived in Dallas the winter of 2003 - TBF Feb 2012 #41
I would caution against using one particular warm winter as evidence of climate change fujiyama Jan 2012 #20
Agree 100% on everything you said. cstanleytech Feb 2012 #23
As is explained by Dr. Heidi Cullen of the Weather channel: jimlup Feb 2012 #21
Is this El Nina? Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2012 #22
La Nina, actually, and yes, it is. JayhawkSD Feb 2012 #24
I am in Northern Illinois. murielm99 Feb 2012 #27
I'm not a denier, but in all truth, you can't judge by one year. caseymoz Feb 2012 #28
I am really dreading this coming spring. AngryOldDem Feb 2012 #29
I have a bad feeling it might be. nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #39
Its cold which triggers daffodils to germinate dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #30
I hate to see our bug population after such a mild winter. fasttense Feb 2012 #32
Weather is what't outside; greiner3 Feb 2012 #36
We've got jonquils up madokie Feb 2012 #37
The climate is completely messed up. YogiB Feb 2012 #40

thatgemguy

(506 posts)
2. Here On Ohio's Eastern Shore
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:05 PM
Jan 2012

The temperature peaked at 66 around 2 P.M. I spent time outside in the yard. We grilled for dinner too. Not January weather at all.

DFW

(54,380 posts)
25. No, this is normal for this time of year here
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:17 AM
Feb 2012

We usually get one or two weeks like this when some front blows in from Siberia (where it's -50°).
Here in Central Europe, it's supposed to reach -10° to -20° (20°F to around 0°F) in Berlin this
weekend, and guess where I have to be all weekend for work?

I'm bringing a scarf!

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
33. Keep warm
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:32 AM
Feb 2012

I guess what I was seeing in the news and what my friend from Bern was telling me made me think it was extreme.

Of course here in the states, we forget that -10 to -20 is not that extreme compared to -10 to -20 F.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
4. Winter has been cancelled in Kansas City.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:12 PM
Jan 2012

We haven't had one yet. Very strange. It was 70 yesterday and almost 70 today.

DFW

(54,380 posts)
26. Send some this way!
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:19 AM
Feb 2012

It's frrrrrrrrreeezing over here!

It kills mosquito larvae, so it's useful, but why couldn't it happen when I was in North America a month ago?

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
6. We had about 4-5 inches of snow melt in less than 2 days
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:20 PM
Jan 2012

It's soggy here in Madison. (but nobody's putting away their snow shovels just yet...)

doc03

(35,338 posts)
7. Was 61º here in Ohio, went to the range
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:24 PM
Jan 2012

today and fired couple hundred rounds pistol practice, shorts and t-shirt weather. It's still 58º at 922 pm.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
34. My husband and I were able to take out our road bikes...
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:16 AM
Feb 2012

which was nice. Can't mountain bike yet, as most of the trails are closed due to the ground not freezing.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
9. Mmmm its unusual weather to be sure but its happened before, just check
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:25 PM
Jan 2012

your local weather history for the past 50 to 100 years and I'll wager you will see periods with similar extremes.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
13. There have been similar extremes in the past.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:55 PM
Jan 2012

I remember getting sent to Kansas City on a business trip one January about 25 years ago. My New York friends warned me to be prepared for cold -- and then it was 70 degrees.

But average temperatures are on a steady upward trend. Over the past century the world has warmed about 1.4 degrees F, and with carbon dioxide at such a high concentration in the atmosphere, more warming is inevitable, bringing with it rising sea levels and threatening coastal communities.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
17. Perhaps you meant that 2nd part of the reply for someone else, if not then
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 11:37 PM
Jan 2012

I am confused as why you even brought that all up because I didnt argue against any of that at all.

rurallib

(62,415 posts)
16. I am not a historian, but I sure can't remember a sustained
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 11:16 PM
Jan 2012

warmth in January like this. That is good for 50 years or so.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
10. It is in the mid-60s here in North Georgia
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:30 PM
Jan 2012

and by Thursday, the temperature is predicted to be 70. I hate it. I love winter, but it seems as if winter has skipped over my state this year.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. The early spring trees and flowers are in full bloom here- 6 weeks early.
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 10:35 PM
Jan 2012

Tomorrow it will be 70 degrees and rainy.

Tulip magnolias, daffodils, snowdrops, forsythia, all in full bloom.

 

Found in Yonkers

(100 posts)
31. Who said anything about...cc?
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:51 AM
Feb 2012

I'm thinking Jeeeeeeeeeeezus has blessed us for restricting them homersectionals!

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
15. And yet, Arctic Dave is freezing his gibblet bearings off in one of the crappiest Januaries he can
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 11:06 PM
Jan 2012

remember.

Did you know that the thermometer on a GMC pick-up goes "OC" once it hits -42.

The more you learn.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
19. I hate you sir!!!
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 11:42 PM
Jan 2012

Kidding btw, its just this warm winter is just making me worry about the summer because the summers here are already hot and humid

TBF

(32,060 posts)
35. Well at least the Arctic remains cold -
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 08:50 AM
Feb 2012

here in Texas we are warmer than usual. Jan-April is usually our cold season but it was 70 when I walked the dog this am. Not that I'm complaining about tank tops and flip flops, but I do think we are doing damage to the atmosphere and the weather patterns are reflecting it.

I still wonder whether the nuclear incident in Fukushima is affecting any of this - it's been particularly off the past year.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
38. Right around the same time last year......
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:18 AM
Feb 2012

We were freezing our asses off in near single-digit temps here in D/FW and there were at least two days I can recall where we snowed in pretty badly(for Texas at least).

TBF

(32,060 posts)
41. We lived in Dallas the winter of 2003 -
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 10:45 AM
Feb 2012

we were just there for that one winter (my husband's job) but we had snow that year. I have pictures of my infant daughter all bundled up in her stroller and snow on the ground. We've even gotten flakes a few times in Houston but not this year. I can't complain because we are finally getting rain, but the temps are unseasonable for sure.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
20. I would caution against using one particular warm winter as evidence of climate change
Tue Jan 31, 2012, 11:50 PM
Jan 2012

One year does not a trend make. Now, if we saw this say 10 years in a row, we might call that a trend.

That said, there's plenty of overall evidence of climate change - the melting of ice caps and rising sea levels being most obvious. It's also important to look at average temperatures over the years and there we do see a strong correlation between human industrial activity/CO2 output and average rising temperatures.



 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
24. La Nina, actually, and yes, it is.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 02:06 AM
Feb 2012

Keeps the Northern jet stream up in Canada. It's in the 80's in San Diego County this week, and forcast to stay there for the next ten days.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
27. I am in Northern Illinois.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:40 AM
Feb 2012

My husband was out walking the dog this evening, and he said he saw the strangest thing: night crawlers. It is January.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
28. I'm not a denier, but in all truth, you can't judge by one year.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 03:42 AM
Feb 2012

Global warming is proved anyway because record warm temperatures are being set at rates three times record cold temperatures are. That ratio has been increasing for twenty years. Add to that other observations, and the evidence is conclusive. Even a study funded by the Koch brothers confirmed it. Now deniers are still quibbling over whether it's anthropomorphic or not, but already 60 percent of conservatives look like idiots, and the other 40 percent are holding onto their last shred of dignity that's going to tear away soon.

Though I have to admit, I've always wondered how it would alter the Global Warming debate, and conservative/liberal politics in general if we began having years without winters. It would prove humankind is in deep trouble, but, on the bright side, it would prove progressives were right all along on an issue of world importance would make conservatives the jackasses of history.

Or what remains of history, anyway. I try to look on the bright side, but . . .

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
29. I am really dreading this coming spring.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:32 AM
Feb 2012

I hope this isn't an omen for a bad severe weather season. There's always consequences to stuff like this.

(Right now, 5:30 am in Indianapolis, it's 53.)

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
30. Its cold which triggers daffodils to germinate
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 06:45 AM
Feb 2012

not heat. So - it will be an earlier cold spell which caused that.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
32. I hate to see our bug population after such a mild winter.
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 07:22 AM
Feb 2012

Usually we get months of below freezing temperatures. But we are lucky if we got weeks of below freezing temperatures this year. This means a lot of bugs will have survived the winter and will be eating away at our garden and pastures. The grasshoppers in particular were rampant last year. More of their eggs survive a mild winter. I wonder if they will swarm.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
36. Weather is what't outside;
Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:59 AM
Feb 2012

Climate is weather/time. In other words, climate is the process over which weather trends as shown by graphs and models with time as an x-axis and temps as the y-axis. This is overlaid with the atmospheric CO2 used as the y-axis. The resultant is the hockey stick model that has become so famous/infamous in the media. Peter Sinclair's excellent YouTube video series; http://www.youtube.com/user/greenman3610 explains it so much better than I can do with these few paragraphs.

The world is indeed seeing a trend in climate toward approaching chaos. The high temps, the shift in rainfall patterns, the increased strengths of weather related storms is increasing and the warming world's temps are melting nearly all the ice/snow that's locked up in glaciers and the poles.

Most of the public has no problem with this pattern. It's the energy cartel that is pushing the anti anthropogenic model and causing the under-informed to doubt good science. Even when most of America's people come to realize this is indeed a fact, the politicians' contributions coming from the energy cartel will still favor not adhering to what science has given it's nearly universal approval to and not be enough to allow for effective measures to be taken; in time.

I for one believe (my college major was ecology. I sat through one of the IPCC lectures and it scared the hell out of me. This was without the effects of the melting and the subsequent release of stored methane of the world's tundra being taken into account. The lecturer said this was proposed by the researchers within IPCC but there was so little science being done with the melting of the tundra's methane that they could not, without an accurate model what this release of methane would realistically do they could not, in the end, include it in their release of findings.

The IPCC lecturer said that using a best 'guess' scenario would add 3-5 degrees Celsius, 5-8 degrees Fahrenheit for those not growing up in President Carter's losing attempt to try and get the American public to at least try and learn the system used by most of the rest of the world.) that the next few decades will be the tipping point. We still have time to avert the worst scenario. If all the world's burning of fossil fuels would end today there would still be the rising of temps of 2-3 degrees Celsius and cause oceans to rise the meter or so by 2100. However, after this time frame the continue adding of carbon to the carbon cycle will be just too much and...

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