Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:09 PM Feb 2013

Amish Ringleader In Beard-Cutting Attacks Sentenced To 15 Years Prison

Source: Associated Press

CLEVELAND, Ohio. — The ringleader in hair- and beard-cutting attacks on fellow Amish in Ohio was sentenced Friday to 15 years in prison.

Before his sentencing, Samuel Mullet Sr. told Judge Dan Aaron Polster in Cleveland that he had been blamed for running a cult and was ready to take the punishment. Polster also sentenced 15 other Amish to prison terms ranging from one to seven years.

Mullet, his ankles in chains and a white beard down to mid-chest, said if his community is seen as a cult, "Then I'm going to take the punishment for everybody."

With relatives of victims and his family sitting on opposite sides of the public gallery, Mullet said he has lived his life trying to help others.

MORE...

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/amish_ringleader_prison_beard_cutting_M8IqcIjdx3Jv1HHyXUqcJJ

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/amish_ringleader_prison_beard_cutting_M8IqcIjdx3Jv1HHyXUqcJJ

31 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Amish Ringleader In Beard-Cutting Attacks Sentenced To 15 Years Prison (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2013 OP
Wait... his name is Mullet? mac56 Feb 2013 #1
And that badly! riqster Feb 2013 #2
My thought exactly Happyhippychick Feb 2013 #8
Isn't that a pretty heavy sentence for what he and his minions did? efhmc Feb 2013 #3
that's what I'm thinking LiberalLovinLug Feb 2013 #5
It's assault. By grown men. For religious reasons. Nothing like frat pranks. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #7
Well he was running a cult and ordered the others to carry out the attacks. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #6
I do not feel the least bit sorry for him. efhmc Feb 2013 #12
I don't feel sorry for him, either. Moosepoop Feb 2013 #13
Glad that rapist got a severe sentence. Average time is 5 yrs for first offense. efhmc Feb 2013 #15
He showed absolutely no remorse either. Nor did the others. Part of locking him up for a long time yellowcanine Feb 2013 #19
They stalked and attacked rthem obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #11
Organized a group of people to detain and assault multiple people who disagreed with him? Posteritatis Feb 2013 #17
There are a few(several?) aggravating factors Ash_F Feb 2013 #22
He was convicted of kidnapping and a hate crime. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #23
The government wanted life in prison question everything Feb 2013 #26
Exactly. Jay-sus. How about 2 Cha Feb 2013 #28
This is a weird, weird story. truthisfreedom Feb 2013 #4
I wonder what Wierd Al would say cstanleytech Feb 2013 #9
He deserved longer obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #10
It costs $50,000 per year to keep each person in prison... Tx4obama Feb 2013 #14
That's what prisons are for. To incarcerate criminals. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #24
Ohio is becoming like Florida and Texas. oberle Feb 2013 #16
Poor man will be subjected to electric lights and other worldly amenities Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #18
Yeah............................. JimboBillyBubbaBob Feb 2013 #21
That "highly moral, religious" man also was having sex with married female relatives. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #25
Watch out, Mr Soprano! Ian Iam Feb 2013 #20
I feel horrible about laughing. musical_soul Feb 2013 #27
A little silly and misguided to me. Socal31 Feb 2013 #29
What if you christx30 Feb 2013 #30
Sorry I must not have read the whole thing. Socal31 Feb 2013 #31

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
5. that's what I'm thinking
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:48 PM
Feb 2013

That's more than for second degree murder.
There's worse behavior in a frat house. Mittens got off pretty lightly in that case.

- As for the victims, he added, "They got their beard back again, so what's the big deal about it?"

I kinda agree.
Some kind of punishment should apply, It's like a mild form of terrorism, but 15 years?

Also, kinda funny, one cult accusing an even more dogmatic cult of being one.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
7. It's assault. By grown men. For religious reasons. Nothing like frat pranks.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:03 PM
Feb 2013

Yeah their beards grew back. So what? Knife wounds heal as well but it is still assault.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
6. Well he was running a cult and ordered the others to carry out the attacks.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:59 PM
Feb 2013

Prosecutors were successful in proving it a hate crime and that adds to the sentence.

Mullet apparently exercised control by having sex with several different married women in the sect as well. This could have been considered in determining the length of the sentence. I would not feel sorry for him.

efhmc

(14,727 posts)
12. I do not feel the least bit sorry for him.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:16 PM
Feb 2013

But there are rapists who get less time. The sentence for a first time offensive for rape is 5 years. Those convicted are usually in jail 2 years and the rest is probation time. Of course less than 12% of rapists ever see any prison time, anyway.

Moosepoop

(1,920 posts)
13. I don't feel sorry for him, either.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:49 PM
Feb 2013

But in what state is the sentence for rape standardized at 5 years for a first offense? It certainly didn't work that way when my rapist was sentenced -- he got 30 to 50 years.

efhmc

(14,727 posts)
15. Glad that rapist got a severe sentence. Average time is 5 yrs for first offense.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:45 PM
Feb 2013

This is where I got part of my information: http://mith.umd.edu/WomensStudies/GenderIssues/Violence+Women/ResponsetoRape/chapter2-numbers A very interesting study. Looks like that is a very old study and the time served is even less now:http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/2551/Sentencing-STATE-SENTENCES-TIME-SERVED.html

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
19. He showed absolutely no remorse either. Nor did the others. Part of locking him up for a long time
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:47 PM
Feb 2013

is to make sure he doesn't go right back and do it all over again. He will be eligible for parole in a few years and the parole board can see if his attitude has changed.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
11. They stalked and attacked rthem
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:10 PM
Feb 2013

Kept them imprisoned, and left them bloody and bruised. It was legally considered a hate crime, too. It was also conspiracy.

I think he deserved even longer. SIXTEEN people were part of this mob.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
17. Organized a group of people to detain and assault multiple people who disagreed with him?
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:53 PM
Feb 2013

I'm okay with someone who decided it was a good idea to put together an arrangement like that getting slapped hard by the law, even if most of the reactions to it from people are likely to be variants on "LOL Amish."

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
22. There are a few(several?) aggravating factors
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:12 AM
Feb 2013

1. There were multiple attacks.

2. This is the person who planned and organized it. The others got 1 to 7 years.

3. There was religious motivation. And The Amish have religious reasons for growing their hair long, making this a hate crime.

Also, none of them are likely to serve their full sentences.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. He was convicted of kidnapping and a hate crime.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:45 AM
Feb 2013

He could have gotten life.

Just because you don't kill someone doesn't make kidnapping and a hate crime equal to light battery. It was very serious, what they did. They targeted a group of people who didn't "believe and behave the right way," according to their morals...they kidnapped them, tied them up, and changed the part of their appearance that signified their religious beliefs. He got off pretty light.

Cha

(297,309 posts)
28. Exactly. Jay-sus. How about 2
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:58 PM
Feb 2013

years?

Ah, I see where it was a kidnapping.. and a hate crime. Not good.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
10. He deserved longer
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:09 PM
Feb 2013

I agree with the DA that it was a hate crime, as well as aggravated assault, kidnapping, etc.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
14. It costs $50,000 per year to keep each person in prison...
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:39 PM
Feb 2013

There must be a better way to punished folks for things like this than spent that much taxpayer money.

JimboBillyBubbaBob

(1,389 posts)
21. Yeah.............................
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:48 AM
Feb 2013

That's a great point. The long term impact of a "modern" prison ought to be interesting. At the same time, this entire story reminds me of "A Clockwork Orange." Now the rehabilitative phase.



Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. That "highly moral, religious" man also was having sex with married female relatives.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:48 AM
Feb 2013

Like many cult leaders, there's rules for the minions, and rules for himself. And his rules for himself usually include sex of those under his control.

musical_soul

(775 posts)
27. I feel horrible about laughing.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:53 PM
Feb 2013

If he was killing, that would be one thing, but a beard cutter hardly qualifies as a mafia.

I know this much. Conservatives can no longer say that Christians don't benefit from anti-hate crime advocacy.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
29. A little silly and misguided to me.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:46 PM
Feb 2013

The man should do some time and pay restitution for the fear that him and his followers caused the people who were assaulted. I am sure they did not know exactly what was going to happen for them, and for that there should be serious consequences.

But locking someone up for 15 years for cutting hair, no matter how religious it is, is rather ludicrous. If I go to a pasta-farians house and serve the noodles anything other than al-dente, should it be a sentence enhancement?

The reality is, people become worse in prison. We do no "reform" in the US, we punish.


Restitution to the victims, a couple years in the clink, and thousands of hours of community service to help victims of assault and other violent crimes would do society a much better service.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
30. What if you
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:18 PM
Feb 2013

Kidnapped people, beat them up, shaved them against their will in a manner that violated their religion?

Suppose he had done that to a Muslim or a Sikh.
That's the reason for the stiff sentence. It wasn't just beard cutting.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
31. Sorry I must not have read the whole thing.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:32 PM
Feb 2013

Kidnapping, no matter the reason, should carry a stiff sentence.

I don't care what religion it is, the government shouldnt in the business of deciding what is a religious practice and what isn't. Charge for the crimes committed.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Amish Ringleader In Beard...