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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:45 PM Feb 2013

France’s iconic ‘Liberty’ painting vandalised at Louvre

Source: France 24

A painting that is the enduring image of the French revolution and adorned the 100-franc note for nearly two decades has been vandalised by a woman who “tagged” the canvas with an indelible black marker pen.

An iconic symbol of the French Revolution was “tagged” late on Thursday in an attack on a national symbol that forced the Louvre’s Lens museum to shut its doors on Friday.

The vandal, a 29-year-old woman, targeted one of France’s best known paintings – “Liberty Leading the People” – painted by Eugène Delacroix in 1830.

The painting shows a bare-breasted female figure bearing aloft the French Tricolor with one hand and a musket in the other.

Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20130208-france-louvre-liberty-vandalised-911



By a "truther", no less. Sigh.
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France’s iconic ‘Liberty’ painting vandalised at Louvre (Original Post) Recursion Feb 2013 OP
Oh no! hedgehog Feb 2013 #1
That's awful. loudsue Feb 2013 #2
Ugh. That is a terrible thing to do. Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #3
Yeah. It would be like tagging the Star Spangled Banner and the Liberty Bell Recursion Feb 2013 #4
I doubt it. I love the painting, but most Americans wouldn't know what it is about or JDPriestly Feb 2013 #31
Perhaps not, but every French person and most Europeans would... 1monster Feb 2013 #41
That's a double whammy of idiocy RZM Feb 2013 #5
That would be idiotic. I wonder whether that is why she did it. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #32
Why would a truther mark EC Feb 2013 #6
Gets people to Google the term Recursion Feb 2013 #7
To get attention, and maybe become some kind of "martyr." The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2013 #8
painting kardonb Feb 2013 #13
There probably was a guard and a number of student painters copying the art. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #33
Toured Louvre 2005 Marthe48 Feb 2013 #37
CT lore holds that the Statue of Liberty from France is an Illuminati symbol of control of the USA. freshwest Feb 2013 #36
I love your posts. You always have interesting information and insights. yardwork Feb 2013 #50
A combination of idiocy and attention-seeking Posteritatis Feb 2013 #54
That's really very sad. austinlw Feb 2013 #9
I know what you mean about standing before it. EC Feb 2013 #12
I melted down at the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam...it was one of his wheat fields with CTyankee Feb 2013 #17
It wasn't the religous aspect of the painting.. EC Feb 2013 #20
Hope you'll visit my Challenge in GD today around 5 pm est. Some interesting works... CTyankee Feb 2013 #26
The Seurat at the top of the stairs at the Chicago Institute of Art. amandabeech Feb 2013 #57
Yeah, that is a whole wall full of dots wasn't it? EC Feb 2013 #59
It really is remarkable. amandabeech Feb 2013 #60
I live close to Chicago EC Feb 2013 #61
I always think I can just jump on the train to NYC and go see the latest art exhibit... CTyankee Feb 2013 #62
We get to the Milwaukee Art Museum EC Feb 2013 #63
Well, here's the thing: I also drive to Boston to visit my dtr and we go to the MFA. CTyankee Feb 2013 #64
I live far away now, but I'm thinking that maybe I could take a side trip amandabeech Feb 2013 #66
Me too. ChazInAz Feb 2013 #24
I wonder how wheat fields and blackbirds can do this. CTyankee Feb 2013 #27
I had a similar experience when I saw the Pieta in St. Peter's in Rome. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #34
truther is speculation marions ghost Feb 2013 #10
One of my favorites. What a shame. Brickbat Feb 2013 #11
She should have that carved into her forehead Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #14
I bet they'll remove that indelible ink with some kind of unimaginable futuristic technology. DaveJ Feb 2013 #15
We can't have nice things with idiots in museums like this around. albear Feb 2013 #16
unfortunately, it is what has already happened to some masterpieces... CTyankee Feb 2013 #19
It should be largely repairable Xithras Feb 2013 #18
Wonderful story! peacebird Feb 2013 #42
WD40 will take the ink off. Hopefully they can save it. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #21
Good news:(nearly) All old paintings are severely damaged. FredStembottom Feb 2013 #22
Hopefully the restoration won't end up like this BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #25
Or like this aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #35
Hilarious! FredStembottom Feb 2013 #46
Wow, that's amazing! Makes me want to go to Minneapolis! What a great museum! CTyankee Feb 2013 #28
Haven't read the book but..... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #45
Just wondering if you saw... FredStembottom Feb 2013 #47
OK, just getting up here...will check it out. I love being an art detective and finding CTyankee Feb 2013 #48
Great link. skamaria Feb 2013 #30
Damn, that's a shame. malthaussen Feb 2013 #23
Probably some woman from Mali cosmicone Feb 2013 #29
Gratuitous slam at Islam duly noted. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #38
Why would an AE911 attack occur cosmicone Feb 2013 #44
Even for your posts that's a bit of a stretch. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #53
Couldn't she at least have been creative and drawn Madonna's bullet bra on it? n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #39
Is she with john ashcroft's group? triplepoint Feb 2013 #40
I work in a highly technical field... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #43
did you see this yesterday? CTyankee Feb 2013 #49
No, I didn't... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #55
The artist called "Bansky" DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #51
Banksy Recursion Feb 2013 #52
It may be one thing for him to hit a privately owned piece DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #58
This one's for you, Liberty rocktivity Feb 2013 #56
Crazy thing to do Franker65 Feb 2013 #65
Have to put a moat between the art and the visitors tabasco Feb 2013 #67

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. Yeah. It would be like tagging the Star Spangled Banner and the Liberty Bell
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:53 PM
Feb 2013

That painting is so iconic for France. Plus it's a brilliant piece of art.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. I doubt it. I love the painting, but most Americans wouldn't know what it is about or
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:56 PM
Feb 2013

where to find it.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
41. Perhaps not, but every French person and most Europeans would...
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:07 PM
Feb 2013

Just because (by your reckoning) "most Americans wouldn't know" about the painting doesn't negate its significance on a par with the Liberty Bell ... I'm sure to most of the French people the painting has more significance that the Liberty Bell and the US flag.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
5. That's a double whammy of idiocy
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:53 PM
Feb 2013

Defacing a great work of art AND doing it in the name of trutherism.

I hope they throw the book at this moron.

EC

(12,287 posts)
6. Why would a truther mark
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:54 PM
Feb 2013

a French painting in a French museum? It has nothing to do with 9/11 so what was the point?

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
13. painting
Reply to EC (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:09 PM
Feb 2013

where was the security guard in that museum ? Usually , at museums in the US , there is a guard in every exhibition room to prevent exactly this kind of vandalism or theft occurring .

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. There probably was a guard and a number of student painters copying the art.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:58 PM
Feb 2013

At least that is what you used to see at the Louvre.

They may have caught her because of a guard.

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
37. Toured Louvre 2005
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:04 PM
Feb 2013

We saw this painting, and at that time, it was in a really large room. Even with guards, it'd take a second or two to get there. People like her are such thoughtless lumps.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. CT lore holds that the Statue of Liberty from France is an Illuminati symbol of control of the USA.
Reply to EC (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:22 PM
Feb 2013

They hate anything they regard as pagan symbolism. Here's the tip of the iceberg, they've got tons like this out there. I'll bet that's why this painting was defaced. They hate France although they helped us in the Revolution, because, oh, hell. Take a look at the batshit:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter3/





yardwork

(61,650 posts)
50. I love your posts. You always have interesting information and insights.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:54 AM
Feb 2013

I clicked on the link and didn't read too far before I actually laughed out loud. It was this caption:

Washington D.C. An untrained eye might not see the Luciferic connection in this map.

No, we might not see it!

There is always a little bit of truth in the looniness, just as there is in Rush's rants and the rants of the "family values" crew. That's how they convince millions of people to follow them. It's an age old problem.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
54. A combination of idiocy and attention-seeking
Reply to EC (Reply #6)
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:46 PM
Feb 2013

Those are usually the reasons people go and deface stuff like this.

austinlw

(54 posts)
9. That's really very sad.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:01 PM
Feb 2013

I've been there a couple of times in my life and remember seeing the painting. It's stunning when you're in front of it, one of my favorites in the museum.

EC

(12,287 posts)
12. I know what you mean about standing before it.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:08 PM
Feb 2013

I feel the same about "The Crucifixion" By Grünewald - I actually fainted right there in the museum from it...my head hit that marble floor so hard guards came running from the other side of the museum from the noise...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. I melted down at the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam...it was one of his wheat fields with
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:24 PM
Feb 2013

black birds...

Did you know there is a rather recent book entitled "People who Cry in Front of Paintings"? It deals with this phenomenon. I've never had an emotional response to a religious painting before but the Van Gogh and Vermeer's "View of Delft" (you have to see the original in real life to get the impact) at the Mauritshuis in The Hague just did me in (Salvador Dali sank to his knees before it, according to a museum docent).

And there's a lot written about Rothko works and the effects they have on people...

The stark realism of the grunewald is quite powerful.

EC

(12,287 posts)
20. It wasn't the religous aspect of the painting..
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:33 PM
Feb 2013

I never had a reaction with Rothko, but a Van Gogh, Dali, or Botticelli will make me weak...and I love any Expressionist... an Oskar Kokoschka landscape.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
57. The Seurat at the top of the stairs at the Chicago Institute of Art.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:57 PM
Feb 2013

I thought that I was going to fall back down the stairs.

EC

(12,287 posts)
59. Yeah, that is a whole wall full of dots wasn't it?
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:18 PM
Feb 2013

I loved it so much more in person when you actually see how vibrant it is.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
60. It really is remarkable.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:39 PM
Feb 2013

I'd studied it as a part of the art history segment of Art II class in high school. It was wonderful on the paper, but the teacher didn't say anything about its size.

Then at the end of the course, in the spring, our art class boarded a bus and made the five hour drive to Chicago, and of course the Art Institute was the main of our trip.

We walked up that stairs, and WHAM-O!

The rest of the collection at the Art Institute is very good, of course, and includes a beautiful selection of impressionist and post-impressionist art that was au courant at the time the Art Institute was built.

That trip is one I'll always remember.

EC

(12,287 posts)
61. I live close to Chicago
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:34 PM
Feb 2013

so I used to go every year. The trip now is just too much of a headache unless we just take the train and spend a few days, then it's the $$$$ that's the problem.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
62. I always think I can just jump on the train to NYC and go see the latest art exhibit...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:11 PM
Feb 2013

and it's always fine, but what an expense, with the parking at the station, the train ticket (the least of the problems with a senior fare), and getting to the museum...

Throw in lunch and you've got an expensive trip. Always worth it, tho. I just don't go that much anymore. I think I was in NYC only 3 times last year and I always vow I'll go more often (once I've read an art review in the New York Times Art Section!).

EC

(12,287 posts)
63. We get to the Milwaukee Art Museum
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:18 PM
Feb 2013

at least every other month - it makes a nice day. They get some really nice traveling shows. The French Posters was the last show we saw (some of my favorites). I was really amazed at the size of the paper available in the late 1800's for all those posters.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
64. Well, here's the thing: I also drive to Boston to visit my dtr and we go to the MFA.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:25 PM
Feb 2013

Plus, we have Yale's art collection in 3 museums, a veritable treasure trove of art, right here in New Haven. So it is not as if we are suffering from some kind of art deficit. We're good.

The French Posters exhibit sounds excellent. I LOVE local art museums, both here and in Europe. They have such good stuff! Always a big thrill...

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
66. I live far away now, but I'm thinking that maybe I could take a side trip
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:57 PM
Feb 2013

to Chicago when I go back to Michigan in the summer to see my family and friends and enjoy the Lake Michigan beach. I haven't been to Chicago for anything other than a quick business trip for years and years.

I hope that you'll find a few extra bucks so that you can go every couple of years. Illinois and Chicago seem to be having problems lately. A general uptick in the overall U.S. economy would really help Chicago, Illinois and the rest of the Midwest.

ChazInAz

(2,569 posts)
24. Me too.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:38 PM
Feb 2013

I had the same reaction to that painting last year at the Hermitage. Standing in a dark room, surrounded by his last three paintings in soft spotlights. The effect was overwhelming.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
27. I wonder how wheat fields and blackbirds can do this.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:13 PM
Feb 2013

I can understand the effect of "stendahlismo" in Florence, because the Santa Croce is pretty overwhelming. But the Van Gogh is so simple and understated.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
34. I had a similar experience when I saw the Pieta in St. Peter's in Rome.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:01 PM
Feb 2013

And then some years later that exquisite statue was vandalized and glass was put around it.

The effect of the Pieta in glass is not as heart-stopping as it was without the glass.

I wonder whether the sheer magnificence of certain works of art is too much, creates too great an emotional reaction in certain vulnerable people.

Defacing this kind of art is a terrible violation of humanity in my view.

DaveJ

(5,023 posts)
15. I bet they'll remove that indelible ink with some kind of unimaginable futuristic technology.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:14 PM
Feb 2013

(Can't believe some humans, though, their potential for lunacy never ceases to amaze me.)

 

albear

(33 posts)
16. We can't have nice things with idiots in museums like this around.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:18 PM
Feb 2013

Pretty soon we won't be able to view masterpiece art with the naked eye but through thick plexiglass. That will be sad.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. unfortunately, it is what has already happened to some masterpieces...
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:28 PM
Feb 2013

the Pieta had to be encased after that nut took a hammer to it...

The Rokeby Venus by Velasquez was slashed by a woman in the National Gallery in London. She was a suffragist who really picked the wrong target for her protest...

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
18. It should be largely repairable
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:27 PM
Feb 2013

When my mom was a little girl she found an old painting in her attic and took markers and crayons to it (horns, a goatee, that kind of thing). She didn't know that the painting was the only surviving image of her great grandfather (my grandmothers grandpa), but at four years old, I doubt that knowledge would have changed things anyway. My grandmother thought the painting was ruined, and stuck it away in a corner of the attic.

In the mid-90's my grandmother was moving out of her old house when my sister found the painting and my mom explained the story behind it. As a suprise, we all chipped in and took the painting to an art restorer to see what he could do. In spite of the fact that the crayon and marker had been in place for almost 50 years at that point, she was able to not only remove all signs of it, but to restore the color and patina of the image to make it look almost new again.

Most oil paintings are covered by a clear varnish layer. The varnish layer is largely impermeable, and even the ink from a pen has a difficult time penetrating it. In our case, the restorer was able to remove a microscopically thin layer of the varnish without touching the paint underneath, which also removed all of the ink that was stuck to that varnish. After refinishing the rest of the varnish on the painting, the damage vanished. I would expect that the same technique could be used on this painting.

And yes, my grandmother bawled her eyes out when she saw the restored painting. It hung on the wall of her apartment until she passed away about ten years ago.

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
22. Good news:(nearly) All old paintings are severely damaged.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:47 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.artsmia.org/restoration-online/guercino.cfm

Twice now, our Minneapolis Institute of Arts has done major restorations of paintings right in the galleries where you could come and watch the process over several months.

Turns out most historic paintings that we see in museums are just a wreck underneath ( so to speak).

All those centuries in which the canvases are folded, rolled, reframed, cut out, hid from invaders, stolen etc. leaves most paintings with huge swaths of damage. We just don't know it because they are displayed in restored condition only.

See the above link and marvel not only at what the restorers can do but how damaged these old masters are underneath.

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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
28. Wow, that's amazing! Makes me want to go to Minneapolis! What a great museum!
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:30 PM
Feb 2013

And the before and after on the Guercino is incredible!

Have you ever read "The Rape of Europa" by Lynn Nichols? I found it fascinating. Here is a descrption: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/227540.The_Rape_of_Europa

It chronicles Hitler's grand design to steal the greatest works of art in Europe for the national museum in Linz that he wanted to establish...

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
45. Haven't read the book but.....
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:22 AM
Feb 2013

...a really first class documentary was made from it. I believe I have now watched 4 times.
It's sooooooo startling and astounding and the Monuments Men were so heroic.
Would something like what the Monuments Men were trying to do even be bothered with in a war involving America today?

Or would the Republicans see saving works of art as sissified and elitist and use their dominance of the media to insight Americans to spit on the idea?

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)
47. Just wondering if you saw...
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:33 AM
Feb 2013

.... That part of the Guercino is actually patched with a piece of another unknown painting of a horse and bright blue water?

Fascinating. I visited the process 4 times and saw the horse for myself - now covered for another hundred years or so. I feel like I share a secret!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
48. OK, just getting up here...will check it out. I love being an art detective and finding
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:21 AM
Feb 2013

this stuff!

Thanks so much for your postings here!

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
29. Probably some woman from Mali
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:31 PM
Feb 2013

belonging to the peaceful and tolerant belief system who is po'ed at the French anti-terrorist operations.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
38. Gratuitous slam at Islam duly noted.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:12 PM
Feb 2013

There is at this point no evidence the woman was from Mali or Islamic.

According to the link in the OP:

According to judicial sources, the woman scrawled “AE911” on the canvas using an indelible black marker.

On Friday morning, French media were speculating that the graffiti could be a reference to the “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth” group, which believes that the 2001 collapse of the World Trade Center could not have resulted solely from the impact of two fuel-heavy airliners.

“We won’t know if there is any political significance until police questioning ends,” the museum’s Communications Director Raphäel Wolff told FRANCE 24 on Friday morning.

----

If only you could blame it on the Pakistanis.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
44. Why would an AE911 attack occur
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:52 PM
Feb 2013

on French soil against a revered French symbol? And why so soon after France's Mali involvement?

France had nothing to do with 9/11.

The woman may have been trained in Pakistan or had Pakistani handlers, but I'll wait until the facts are in before saying that thank you.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
43. I work in a highly technical field...
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:10 PM
Feb 2013

and even grimaced about having to take an art history class in college. It was the best course I ever took. I am by no means well educated on art, but it does something for the mind that technical knowledge cannot. A day at the museum can help shed a different light on life. Asshats like this need some jail time.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
51. The artist called "Bansky"
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:22 AM
Feb 2013

made a habit of defacing art, but his schitck is that Art has become an investment for the ultra rich, something the original artists would have hated. It is still bullshit, but at least he thinks he is saving art from the creeps who indeed have turned it into a commodity.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
52. Banksy
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:25 AM
Feb 2013

And what's really ironic, is a piece of art that Banksy hits actually goes up in monetary value.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
58. It may be one thing for him to hit a privately owned piece
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:02 PM
Feb 2013

But when someone done this to a public owned piece, it is still a crime. If the Liberty images was ruined, than all people would have had a loss, especially the French.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
56. This one's for you, Liberty
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:18 PM
Feb 2013

Courtesy of Jessye Norman. (Buzzkill alert: a shot of the Bush Seniors.)




rocktivity

Franker65

(299 posts)
65. Crazy thing to do
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:12 AM
Feb 2013

Her picture should be displayed in every art museum in Europe and she should be banned.

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