Three dead in Murphys double murder, suicide

[harmonicon]

Source: recordnet.com

MURPHYS - Calaveras County residents responded with shock and grief Sunday as they learned that a Little League coach, author and former airline pilot had shot his two teenage children to death and then turned the gun on himself at their home in one of the region's most exclusive neighborhoods.

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His children, Alex Marshall, 17, and Macaila Marshall, 14, were dead on a couch. All had been shot once in the head with a handgun.

The family dog, also shot to death, was found in a bedroom.

Read more: http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130204/A_NEWS/302040310

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Well, there you go. Just a good guy with a gun, doing what good guys with guns sometimes do.

I guess she must have been a bad guy with a gun... or an innocent victim. Whatever.



You had enough of this shit yet?

[geomon666]

1. It's ok though, he used a handgun.

Those guns are ok...

[benld74]

2. May God help them all, and help us too in the process,,,

[BobbyBoring]

4. I don't think god will help them

If there is a god, I imagine he takes a dim view on those who posses weapons that have only one purpose. Killing other human beings. After all, he's the one that said "Thou shalt not kill"

[Auntie Bush]

5. If he had used a knife...maybe the other one could have gotten away.

I wonder if he would have killed himself with the knife?

I'm reading to many sad stories about parents killing their children lately...but it's good to make the public aware of the travesties going on in our country. I had no idea their was so much killing going on ALL over our country. The media made it seem that most the shootings were blacks killing blacks in Chicago...not a national problem.

[smirkymonkey]

3. Oh, god. This is making me absolutely nauseous.

Every single day, there is another assault. Will this ever stop?

[Archae]

8. Quite honestly, no.

There's nothing new about it either.
The only difference between 100 years ago and now, is the reporting.
Most family shootings barely made the local newspaper, if anything.
And that was usually only if the shooter or family was rich and/or famous.

There is also the point that there are hundreds of millions of guns out there, NOW.
Plus ammunition in the millions of rounds.

[Walk away]

9. No. It's only going to get worse. With record gun purchases...

there will be plenty of gun violence in our future. Guns for protection are just family time bombs. The only thing that will change is if the media keeps reporting this horror daily or goes back to treating this human harvest as "not news worthy". Gun owners/lovers are hoping the rest of us just get tired of hearing about it and shut it out again.

[KoKo]

6. This is a strange story....If you read the whole thing...Husband was an author about 9/11 &

Iran Contra? His estranged wife was traveling in Turkey?

FROM ARTICLE:

"In addition to Callaway, Forest Meadows is home to a former county administrative officer, a prominent developer and a number of doctors, attorneys and other professionals.

Marshall formerly was a pilot on some of the world's largest passenger planes, flying first for Eastern Airlines and later for United, according to information posted on Amazon.com in connection to several of his books.

Marshall's works include "Lakefront Airport," a novel published in 2003. The Amazon blurb for his book said it was based on his experience as a contract pilot during the Iran-Contra affair in the early 1980s.

His more recent title published in early February 2012, is "The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror." That work details Marshall's theory that it was not al-Qaida but actually officials in the U.S. and Saudi Arabian governments that orchestrated the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

Callaway said that she and many others stand ready to support Sean Marshall in any way they can."

[dixiegrrrrl]

11. Hmmmmm.....

[Recursion]

12. Oh lord... the MIHOPers will be all over that.

sigh

[2pooped2pop]

27. yes we will and we also have a name for those who believe the

story we got from the fucked 9-11 commission was the truth

Like we have EVER gotten the truth!

[pacalo]

18. I noticed that in the article, too.

[olddad56]

54. makes this story suspicious and mysterious

I'm just saying

[cantbeserious]

7. The Depravity American Gun Culture Is Without Bound

eom

[defacto7]

10. I certianly haven't seen any boundry yet.

I don't know how far they can go. I've been surprised too many times. Time will tell.

[2pooped2pop]

28. I don't think this is about guns.

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I will bet he thought in his mind that he was protecting them from the fucked reality of this fucked up world. And I will bet we will see much more of this type of family killing in the near future as despair sets in for many people. Most will never understand the thought of killing your family to protect them from worse things, but it happens. It may not be logical thinking to us, but....it is to those in despair and pain.

He would have drugged them if no gun had been there. My opinion only, of course.

I wonder what happened. Did a fight ensue and he killed one of the kids, then the rest was just a follow up. Or did he plan to kill all because of some real or imagined tragedy?

[Sunlei]

60. Another selfish coward in process of divorce,couldn't just off himself with his gun.

[libdem4life]

13. I don't think much has changed. The public and social media are really just publicizing the carnage

that has formerly gone on under the radar, pretty much.

It took the wholesale slaughter of mostly white, mostly affluent 6-year olds to get the public's attention...again. It's no longer just The Ghetto and The Bad Guys.

God rest all of their souls.

[mopinko]

17. don't nobody give a shit about the kids dying every day here in chicago.

nobody.

[okaawhatever]

20. Yes, I do. nt

[lunatica]

25. People would care if the media covered it

People care, but they have to know what's happening first. If the media covered every single death and the reasons behind them there would haves been an outcry long ago.

The fact is, we only hear about it when someone like you brings it up, and how many people will actually read your post? Unfortunately if those Chicago kids were white the media would have covered it long ago.

[mopinko]

33. several years ago the chicago tribune decided

to put every child killed in chicago on the front page. it was a heartbreaking series, 100+ kids. killed by their own parents more than anything if i recall correctly.
didn't bring much except make child welfare authorities more reluctant to return kids to their families. sigh.

yes, they need to get the guns. they come into other cities besides chicago. enforce the laws we already have. duh. but why don't we? that is the question.

[ReRe]

26. I do...

... ....but what we need to do is get Rahm to give a shit and/or the police chief. Someone needs to cut off the gun runners and their routes. Where the fuck are the US Marshalls? If I was Obama, I would be sure the new ATF Chief put Chicago at the top of his clean-up list. And then follow the fucking trail from there. Where's the fucking FBI?

[lonestarnot]

32. I certainly do care.

[earthside]

14. And these murders, too.

Florida father with assault weapon forces wife to watch as he kills two sons

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/04/florida-father-with-assault-weapon-forces-wife-to-watch-as-he-kills-two-sons/

I'm a gun owner and have been fairly pro-Second Amendment ...

... but there is really something screwed-up in this country.

I've had enough.

As a country we have to start sending the message that gun violence is not acceptable; let's start with universal background checks, limiting magazine capacity and strong public persuasion that guns are not the first solution to any problem.

How the gun nuts can just blithely go on acting like these kinds of horrific acts of violence and killing are just the price we have to pay for their exaggerated interpretation of the Second Amendment is beyond me.

[harmonicon]

24. It's not the price we have to pay, but the price we choose to pay.

It's not the second amendment or any interpretation of it that bothers me. It's the culture and other laws surrounding it that bother me. No one is going to be held responsible for the death of these children - no one.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone involved in the chain of the gun and bullets used to kill these children (and their dog) is responsible, but we have insane laws that say the seller and manufacturer of these items - items designed for killing people - cannot be held responsible, because they were following the law. I say we change those laws. That's a hell of a lot easier than amending the constitution.

It baffles me not that guns are legal, but that they get a pass when it comes to simple logic. If there were companies which manufactured poison especially tailored to kill people and devices to administer that poison, I don't think people would just shrug it off when that poison was used to kill people and say that no one can be held responsible.

[earthside]

29. The most fanatic of gun advocates are saying ...

... that these kinds of murders are the price we "have to pay" for 'the right to keep and bear arms'.

As far as they are concerned there isn't any choice about it -- people have the Second Amendment right and if occasionally people get killed or maimed by gun play, then, well it's the fault of bad people -- too bad.

Of course, I agree that actually there is a choice when it comes to promulgating laws governing the sale and use of firearms -- the question really is do we have the political will to enact new laws and regulations.

No doubt, additionally, however, is that the 'culture of violence' and the 'culture of the gun' that the NRA and the gun nuts have fostered in our society is what helps lead individuals like the two murderers in these reports to use a gun to commit their crimes.

And that is something we also have a choice about ... are we ready to ratchet down the love of violent movies, TV shows, video games, books, news, etc. that we find acceptable in the interests of a more peaceful, cooperative society?

[Orrex]

15. The killer is identified as an author and former airline pilot

Here's his book, I believe:
The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror


What a horrible, horrible tragedy.

[font color=red]Upon review, I should disclaim that I"m not 100% sure that he's the author of that book, but the dates listed in the "About the Author" section seem to fit his age, and it says that he currently resides (sic) in California.[/font]

[harmonicon]

23. It's the same guy, according to boing boing, where I first came across the story.

http://boingboing.net/2013/02/04/former-pilot-and-911-conspira.html

While they had added information, it seemed they were using the source I linked to in the OP as their main source, so I went with that.

[onehandle]

16. Moar guns! nt

[EastKYLiberal]

19. Another crazy conspiracy theorist goes off the deep end... nt

[harmonicon]

22. You say "crazy conspiracy theorist," I say "lawful gun owner."

Just as the man had a second amendment right to own a killing device, he had a first amendment right to be a crazy conspiracy theorist, but only one of those things made it a shit-load easier for him to kill his children (and don't forget the dog, just for good measure!).

[2pooped2pop]

30. ???? crazy conspiracy theorist?

U mean something about crazy gun owners or the 9-11 book?

I don't think this guy sounds like much of a gun nutter. How many guns did he own? Was he a Limpballs and the like, listener? I kind of doubt that he was real right wing if he was writing about the bullshit 9-11 commission report. I could be wrong, but he was probably right on that part. The 9-11 conspiracy is the bullshit story we got. The truth is yet to be told.

[madokie]

21. I came home having enough of the shit

Guns were a big part of my world as a kid but going to VN made me realize just what they are made for, killing and it matters not to the gun who or what it kills. True guns don't kill, people do but guns make it easier to do that killing. If this person was using say a knife I'd bet that some of his family would have escaped to live another day
I'm all for banning most all guns

[olegramps]

31. His daughter"s statement on her Face book posting is troubling:

On Twitter, Macaila posted Jan. 25: "Would it be wrong if I threw my cat with his claws retracted at my dads face right now?"

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130204/A_NEWS/302040310

[Blue_Tires]

34. So the daughter was just like any typical American teenager?

[olegramps]

67. I don't believe that is a typical response of a teenage daughters I have known.

It is my experience, perhaps yours is different, that teenage daughters are very close to their fathers. As I said I don't know what to make of her comment.

[eissa]

35. God only knows what she had to live with

By all accounts, it seems the kids were very well-liked, and appeared to be very close to one another. I guess they had to be when stuck with a deranged lunatic for a dad. Poor kids

[Sunlei]

61. that is troubling, plus the neighbor woman who said he 'visited' all the time.

With those type of books he wrote, he must have not been an easy man to live with.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

36. More on Phillip Marshall

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Bamboozle-11-War-Terror/dp/1468094580/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360075829&sr=1-1&keywords=phillip+marshall

[deutsey]

52. A column about him from a local paper in September

http://www.independent.com/news/2012/sep/13/dat-dog-dont-hunt/

[musiclawyer]

37. I live here where this occurred

Although this is probably the most gentrified and liberal section of the central Sierra foothills because of all the wineries, the area is still chock full of misfits, misanthropes, tea partiers and militia types.
Not surprising he ended up here

[green for victory]

38. Does this man look like a "misfit" or a "misanthrope"?

Was he on SSRI Drugs?

Has the whole story been told? Maybe he didn't shoot himself. Maybe he did.

Why would I believe anything at this point? Will there be a follow up? Were there any strange cars in the neighborhood that day?

[nobodyspecial]

41. "Maybe he didn't shoot himself. Maybe he did."

"any strange cars in the neighborhood"

You want to be more straightforward in what you are trying to say?

[ScreamingMeemie]

44. So that somebody can label it "woo talk" and get him banned?

While I don't think there's an underlying conspiracy theory, I won't go around trying to bait people into a banning.

[nobodyspecial]

55. WTF! I am asking for clarification on a cryptic post.

And you immediately jump to I'm trying to get someone banned. And on what basis are you going there? Or, is that question some woo bait to get you banned as well?

The paranoia around this place these days sure runs deep. It's a freakin' message board and many take this place and themselves way too seriously. Most of the country doesn't even know this place exists. You are not changing the world here. It's a playground of distraction. Whoop. Better alert on this. I must be some kind of troll.

[ScreamingMeemie]

56. I'm not one to alert. Just like I'm not one to play games.

I rarely spend much time on DU these days. But, I call them as I see them. Always have, always will.

[nobodyspecial]

57. Yeah, you caught me

You are so smart. I'm really a game-playing troll.

[ScreamingMeemie]

58. Your words. Not mine.

I think the poster's intent was rather clear.

[Katashi_itto]

53. Must be the new trend, to try to cast doubt on everyshooting now.

Guns are safe...! No murder suicides here...nothing to see move along...


Ahhh..Terry's vision of the future was so true.

[L22552]

39. thoughts

For the record, Philip Marshall was not a lunatic nor did his children live lives of hell with him, as has been suggested here. To those of you who have used this site to level harsh criticism against a man you have never met, I say this: If unspeakable tragedy strikes your family and complete strangers use the anonymity of the internet to judge a much-loved member of your family, I only hope you will feel just as comfortable then as you were when you judged mine here.

[MrScorpio]

40. What's indisputable is that he was a cold blooded murderer

And his family members died horribly tragic and unnecessary deaths by his hand.

[green for victory]

43. How is it indisputable

if the investigation isn't complete.

Phillip Marshalls last tweets:



https://twitter.com/thebigbamboozle

This sounds like someone trying to get a message out, not about to kill himself, unless he was on SSRI drugs, which produce exactly the kind of violence in this case (see annex)

Phillip Marshall on Coast 2 Coast with John Wells:
Wells: Marshall held captain ratings in the following aircraft:
Boeing 727, 737,747,757,767
(starts @33:43)

[nobodyspecial]

42. OK, I'll bite

What is your relationship with Philip Marshall? Care to set the record straight about him?

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. Did not judge this family, but have had my own judged. If you are a family

member of Philip, I beg you, for your sanity, to not read news, comments sections, message boards, etc. It will only lead to further grief for you. Be well.

[Selatius]

46. Macaila Marshall bears an eerie resemblance to Rachel Scott who died during the Columbine Massacre.

Rachel Scott:



Macaila Marshall:



I only make the comparison because her yearbook picture was prominent on television in the weeks and months following the massacre in Littleton, Colorado, and her funeral was televised on CNN, more watched than Princess Diana's death a few years prior.

[green for victory]

47. interesting words from Phillip Marshall

1:44:33

"...you really don't have any security when you have so many
people that have access to your personal whereabouts..."

2:15:00
"...I just finished writing the book now, it's going to be-we're
going to try to push this into the right hands, in to
washington- try to get some awareness of you know, what
the problem is...

2:15:42
"...and then we have to push together and I'm going to
dedicate-you know- maybe the next 5 years, 10 years,
whatever- I don't know how long it's going to take- but we
need to get this into the court system and that needs to be
the one solid message-get this into the court system- I think
the fastest way to do it is get KSM- he's still alive- he's only 90
miles away from our border- we don't have to bring it to New
York -we can bring it to any court in the US and get it under
subpeona- and you know like people like Occupy wall street
and occupy-you know- good for them- these people are
actually doing something and they need support...

After listening carefully to the interview above, Phillip Marshall does not sound insane- even a little bit.

There is more to this story, I guarantee it.

[harmonicon]

48. I bet there's a lot of other things you may guarantee.

Please don't sully the deaths of these children by bringing the father's wing-nut author stuff into it.

Isn't there some website with a name like "Bilderberg Tower 7 Truth Saviours" that you can post this shit on?

[green for victory]

49. What if he didn't kill his kids?

wouldn't you like to know before you assume facts not in evidence?

Just what the hell is going on here with all kinds of topics that aren't supposed to be discussed on a discussion board?

What is your problem? Are you this friendly to all the other newbies here?

You didn't listen to his interview, did you. Ignorance is bliss sometimes, I guess.

Thanks for the welcome.

[harmonicon]

50. What if I have a unicorn in my pocket?

It's magical and can change shape and size. You have no reason whatsoever to think this, apart from me telling you, so do you consider it a possibility?

Same goes for the tragic thing of this guy killing his kids. It's sad and it's terrible. Please don't make it worse. You have no reason to think otherwise. Just saying "maybe x,y,z" with no proof is no reason to suspect x,y, or z.

I didn't listen to the coast to coast interview you posted, because I already know what kind of shit it contains. I happen to like coast to coast and listen to it sometimes, but I understand that it's just entertainment.

Here's something I can guarantee: coast to coast is just fictional entertainment at least 95% of the time. Sure, sometimes they have on real scientists or journalists, but not usually. The 9/11 Truthers on there are no different from the astrologers, the bigfoot experts, the stories or alien abduction, or shadow people. It's all just pretend.

Welcome to the real world.

[jollyreaper2112]

51. That's the thing

You can't go by what someone sounds like. We think crazy has a look. It doesn't. Even calling it crazy implies it can be labeled.

Some people wear their insides on their sleeves, what you see is what you get. Some people are better at hiding and you never know what they're really about.

[Sunlei]

59. another murders-suicide (even the dog!), another family violence volcano?

"On Twitter, Macaila posted Jan. 25: "Would it be wrong if I threw my cat with his claws retracted at my dads face right now?"

Seems these armed nutters blow up their entire world, when they lose the wife and family control.

[olddad56]

62. yeah, there sure have been a lot of people who have spoken out about 911 that have commited suicide.

funny coincidence.

[harmonicon]

63. Have I got the website for you!

Here you go:
http://www.verifiedfacts.org

[Sunlei]

66. not his nutter 'the gov did 9-11' books. He's just another coward who wouldn't suicide alone.

His wife was leaving him and he probably was mad as hell about that.

[Brigid]

64. I had enough of this shit a long time ago.

[apocalypsehow]

65. Yet another "law-abiding gun owner" in action - right up until the second he wasn't.

Heart goes out to the two innocent kids, two more victims of yet another asshole with a gun.

[L22552]

68. thoughts

You people are all ghouls. Instead of feasting on others' misfortunes as buzzards do carrion and posting vitriol (I know. Big word. Look it up.) about people you do not even know, has it ever occurred to any of you to take the time you spend online and devote it to good? Since you are all experts at reading minds, I am sure a crisis center would love to have your help. Soup kitchens and food banks are also in need of help. Get off the computer and make the world a better place.

[harmonicon]

69. You posted this telepathically, or from a computer? Pot, meet kettle.

This is a news story - a sad one. I read it one place and thought I should share it here in the news section where a lot of people get their news. I don't know how that makes me a ghoul. However, I do know that you accusing me of posting vitriol (which you've done in this attempt to insult my intelligence, or at least vocabulary - trust me; I've forgotten more "big words" than you'll ever know) while posting a news story about the death of children with tears in my eyes for their loss is utterly rude and callous.

You don't know what I do in my life, and I don't know what you do in yours. However, you're the one who made an account here for the sole purpose of denigrating me and other members of this community. Try looking in a mirror every once in awhile.

[L22552]

70. harmonicom

My post wasn't directed toward you.

[green for victory]

71. yet *another* case of anti depressant violence

The Sheriff released a comprehensive update on this case and guess what- like the over 4000+ cases documented here, it's another person who was taking antidepressants.

The report: (PDF) 3/29/13
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Portals/sheriff/Press/2013/Update_Marshall_Investigation.pdf

from the report:

Phillip Marshal's blood sample contained .08 mg/L
hydrocodone (pain reliever/narcotic), .02 mg/L morphine (pain reliever/narcotic), and .80mg/L hydroxybupropion (anti-depressant). Alcoholic beverages, including a bottle of whiskey and an open l2-pack of beer, were found inside the Marshall home.

• According to records obtained, Marshall was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. Additionally, the reports stated that he suffered periods of depression and mania, which led to his dismissal, or "grounding," as a pilot in September 2006.

The antidepressant: bupropion

the mandated black box warning that comes with all antidepressants was quoted in an alert about this particular bupropion drug:

FDA NEWS RELEASE

For Immediate Release: July 1, 2009
Media Inquiries: Karen Riley, 301-796-4674
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA
FDA: Boxed Warning on Serious Mental Health Events to be Required for Chantix and Zyban

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced that it is requiring manufacturers to put a Boxed Warning on the prescribing information for the smoking cessation drugs Chantix (varenicline) and Zyban (bupropion). The warning will highlight the risk of serious mental health events including changes in behavior, depressed mood, hostility, and suicidal thoughts when taking these drugs.

“The risk of serious adverse events while taking these products must be weighed against the significant health benefits of quitting smoking,” said Janet Woodcock, M.D., director, the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. “Smoking is the leading cause of preventable disease, disability, and death in the United States and we know these products are effective aids in helping people quit.”

Similar information on mental health events will be required for bupropion marketed as the antidepressant Wellbutrin and for generic versions of bupropion. These drugs already carry a Boxed Warning for suicidal behavior in treating psychiatric disorders.

Woodcock said health care professionals who prescribe Chantix and Zyban should monitor their patients for any unusual changes in mood or behavior after starting these drugs. She added that patients should immediately contact their health care professional if they experience such changes...>More
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm170100.htm

This behavior is fully documented at the US NIH as well-
US National Institutes of Health:
Antidepressants and Violence-problems at the Interface of Medicine & Law
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/

"...Both clinical trial and pharmacovigilance data point to possible links between these drugs and violent behaviours...


Annex: The Illustrative Medico-Legal Cases
...In 1998, a new family doctor, unaware of this adverse reaction to fluoxetine, prescribed paroxetine 20 mg to DS, for what was diagnosed as an anxiety disorder. Two days later having had, it is believed, two doses of medication, DS using a gun put three bullets each through the heads of his wife, his daughter who was visiting, and his nine-month-old granddaughter before killing himself...

For some reason, even though these drugs come with a mandated warning of possible violent behavior and/or suicide, the US National media cannot bring themselves to ask if these drugs are causing this gun violence. But they used to:

The drugs come with a warning. The media has all kinds of time to question whether the cause is video games or bad parenting or bullying yet cannot find 30 seconds to talk about the actual warning of possible violent or suicidal behavior that comes with the drugs. This is a crime against our society, to keep something like this out of the debate.

all the guns in the world can be banned but if the cause of this violence is indeed the antidepressants then it won't make a bit of difference because there will always be another way.