Pat McCrory Lashes Out Against 'Educational Elite' And Liberal Arts College Courses
Source: Huffington Post
Pat McCrory Lashes Out Against 'Educational Elite' And Liberal Arts College Courses
The Huffington Post | By Tyler Kingkade Posted: 02/02/2013 11:48 am EST
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) set off a firestorm this week when he declared "educational elite" have taken over colleges,
and lashed out over what he says are worthless courses that offer "no chances of getting people jobs."
In a national radio interview Tuesday with Bill Bennett, U.S. Education Secretary during the Reagan administration, McCrory said there's a major disconnect between what skills are taught at the state's public universities and what businesses want out of college graduates.
So Im going to adjust my education curriculum to what business and commerce needs to get our kids jobs as opposed to moving back in with their parents after they graduate with debt," McCrory said, adding, "What are we teaching these courses for if they're not going to help get a job?"
McCrory said he doesn't believe state tax dollars should be used to help students at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill study for a bachelor's degree in gender studies or to take classes on the Swahili language.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/03/pat-mccrory-college_n_2600579.html?utm_hp_ref=business&ir=Business
cer7711
(502 posts). . . proficient in the skills of the moment "business and commerce" demand you have. Before they outsource your job to someone making a fraction of your wage.
I thought you knew that? Sheeple.
(Note: the above sentiments brought to you courtesy of Pat McCrory)
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and having universities train their workers is a big saving for them. Mindless worker drones are much easier to mislead and control than people who have been taught critical thinking or anything about the wide world outside their econ or MBA classes.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
cer7711
(502 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:56 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm mocking the attitude Pat McCrory is exhibiting here: that higher education should consist of nothing but those mandatory courses and electives pre-determined by the business and Chamber of Commerce elite to be immediately useful. It's the old tired, brain-dead objection made by heartless pragmatists and cultural philistines everywhere: that higher education should consist of nothing but that which allows one to immediately earn a bigger paycheck.
I'd like to introduce Mr. McCrory to Michael Roth (not that McCrory would listen):
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-roth/whats-a-liberal-arts-educ_b_147584.html
What's A Liberal Arts Education Good For? by Michael Roth
A successful liberal arts education develops the capacity for innovation and for judgment. Those who can image how best to reconfigure existing resources and project future results will be the shapers of our economy and culture. We seldom get to have all the information we would like, but still we must act. The habits of mind developed in a liberal arts context often result in combinations of focus and flexibility that make for intelligent, and sometimes courageous risk taking for critical assessment of those risks.
The possibilities for free study, experimentation and risk taking need protection and cultivation. Looking around the world, we find no shortage of thugs who desecrate or murder those who seek to produce a more meaningful culture. And here at home we can easily see how mindless indifference to the contemporary arts and sciences facilitates the destruction of cultural memory and creative potential.
America's great universities and colleges must continue to offer a rigorous and innovative liberal arts education. A liberal education remains a resource years after graduation because it helps us to address problems and potential in our lives with passion, commitment and a sense of possibility. A liberal education teaches freedom by example, through the experience of free research, thinking and expression; and ideally, it inspires us to carry this example, this experience of meaningful freedom, from campus to community.
The American model of liberal arts education emphasizes freedom and experimentation as tools for students to develop meaningful ways of working after graduation. Many liberal arts students become innovators and productive risk takers, translating liberal arts ideals into effective, productive work in the world. That is what a liberal education is good for.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)we're no longer educating future scholars, we're educating future consumers. It's one of the reasons they dumbed down the curriculum after the Boomers. We asked too many questions.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)countmyvote4real
(4,023 posts)LarryNM
(493 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)... Catawba College > "Catawba College is a private, coeducational liberal arts college in Salisbury, North Carolina, USA." > Academics > "Through its residential day program, Catawba College offers the B.A., B.S., and B.F.A. degrees in over 30 undergraduate majors, with 22 concentrations available, in a variety of disciplines, including athletic training, biology, business administration, chemistry, communication, education, English, environmental science, French, history, mathematics, medical technology, music, musical theatre, physical education, political science and pre-law, pre-med, pre-ministerial, pre-pharmacy, psychology, recreation, religion, philosophy, sociology, Spanish, sports management, sustainable business and community development, and theatre arts."
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Botany
(70,522 posts)Catawba College in Salisbury, NC is a private, coeducational liberal arts college
established in 1851, affiliated with the United Church of Christ.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)du_grad
(221 posts)I was raised in the UCC, although I do not now attend any church. The United Church of Christ is a very liberal Protestant denomination, and it absolutely is NOT a Bible-thumping-type church. The clergy are college educated, not "called to preach." It was formed in the 1950's from a merger of the Congregational Christian Churches and the Evangelical Reformed Church, which trace back to the Puritans.
http://www.ucc.org/education/polity/pdf-folder/chart-origins-of-the-ucc.pdf
It is an all-inclusive denomination that was one of the first to allow women into its ministry. It has also led the way in being accepting of anyone regardless of their sexual orientation or background.
http://www.ucc.org/god-is-still-speaking/
I attended a small liberal arts college in Ohio. I transferred out my junior year and spent one year at a state university, where I picked up some 300+ level science courses that helped me a lot in my eventual career, which is medical technology. However, I returned my senior year and graduated with a B.A. in Biology. The "liberal arts" courses I took, while not necessarily being a prerequisite for my current job as a clinical microbiology technologist, had value later in life for me, although I could not see it at the time.
A liberal arts college education does not necessarily equate to attending a vocational school, where one only learns things pertaining to their eventual job. My vocation required college level science courses before I could be accepted for a year's internship in a clinical laboratory. The science courses at the state university were part of the college of liberal arts, which had universal requirements of everyone before they majored in other liberal arts fields.
It is sad that kids nowadays graduate with such a huge load of debt. I had college loans and, luckily, a half scholarship. The loans were not comparable to what kids owe today, even if 1970's dollars were converted to the inflation today. I graduated in 1971 and everything was paid by 1975.
I will say that there is such a shortage of people with my training that, at age 63, I could easily work another ten years in my field and have no fear that I would lose my job. Our hospital had to lay off two techs in the middle of the recession and they had jobs within less than a month at another local hospital without having to relocate. If there had been no local jobs, they easily could have found jobs in other areas of the country. One of my younger coworkers went to another liberal arts college near my alma mater. She majored in chemistry. She's been out for over 10 years and is still paying college loans, and probably will be for quite some time.
Has my course in Roman History that I took as a senior in college helped me in my job? Well, not in any direct sense. However, one goes to college to gain an education - an appreciation for what came before and what will come after we attend. It teaches us to think. My university sent many students on into medicine and law. I graduated in 1971. Many of my fellow graduates have gone on into quite interesting professions - some in their major, others not. A liberal arts education can, unfortunately, be a luxury for the mind in this day and age.
My daughter graduated from a state university in 2002 and got a B.A. in Art History. She did work at our local Art Museum for a short time but, sadly, they really didn't utilize her education and only really looked at people with doctorates for long term jobs that actually worked with the art collection. She left, worked in a bank for awhile, and, on her own, decided to go back to school to become a registered nurse. Could she have done this right out of high school (and saved us about $25,000)? I suppose. However, her college background has helped her attain a position in medical ICU only a couple of years out of nursing school. She has told me that her college background helped a lot with her nursing courses.
This is a sticky question that has been floating around for decades, and will never easily be answered. For this bozo to go lashing out at state school students, when he himself attended a liberal arts school, is grossly unfair. There is, unfortunately, some snobbery attached to SOME students of private schools, especially ones whose parents had the money to pay cash.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I went to public universities and in 1969 they had already begun the shift away from liberal studies, saying 'that's not where the jobs are going to be.' But this guy, like all these GOP, look down on those of us who had to go to school on our own. Or took loans, which I am glad to say I did very little. He is now, if not having always been, an entitled snob. The GOP through their mouthpieces want all PUBLIC education gone. Then the only one who will ever get that are the rich. This is not what America needs, it didn't work in the past. They pushing us down.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)....musical theatre.... because he's a farce.
ReRe
(10,597 posts).... Whew! (long siren-like slow whistle).... Why do these right wingers do this? They open their mouths and stick their entire leg down their throats.
Well, good. There goes another winger governor. There is absolutely no way the state educators are going to allow UNC-Chapel Hill to be turned into a technical college. Or any other major university in the state.
That's just down-right anti-American, to talk like that as a governor. You reckon this guy knows what country he's in?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)...to serve the 1% (R).
Soooo totally unAmerican.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Words cannot express my loathing.
melm00se
(4,993 posts)needs to understand that colleges and universities, for the most part, are not vocational schools. they teach you how to think and learn and THOSE is the true benefits of a college level education.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)the facts they learn in their respective major field. A lot of it is about setting a goal and sticking with it through thick and thin. It's also a lot about learning to love learning for its own sake. If you're lucky, a college education teaches you to become an autodidact in things other than your field of study.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:24 AM - Edit history (1)
The good Governor asks, "What are we teaching these courses for if they're not going to help get a job?"
What good did a liberal arts education ever do anyone, except maybe Ronald Reagan and many of our other former Presidents, that is.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)So yeah, there is some hypocrisy going on here.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)And what a dickweed for a Governor.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Whenever the state of college education shows up here there's no shortage of DUers saying exactly the same thing. Speaking as someone with a pair of history degrees who is currently employed, that attitude sucks. ;P
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)You do realize my comment was meant sarcastically, right? That's why I chose the Conservatives' Saint Ronald Reagan as an example of what a liberal arts degree can do for you.
By the way, I also have "a pair" of degrees in history. My PhD is still ABD.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)I'm just routinely annoyed that the attitude you're poking at there is expressed very, very sincerely on DU quite often.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It is a very short-sighted way of looking at education. After all, today's writers and artists are likely to be remembered far longer than our much more numerous bean-counters and bankers.
NWHarkness
(3,290 posts)I mean, he could have said Hungarian or Swedish, but he chose Swahili.
I can't imagine why...
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)McCrory is just another Jesse Helms with a prettier smile.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)as opposed to the studies program itself.
Although I never hear these RW-asshats talk against grade-fixing for college athletes, since their constituents worship football.
WilmywoodNCparalegal
(2,654 posts)The African American Studies program is under scrutiny for apparently having non-existent classes attended primarily by student athletes in its football and basketball program. Apparently, this has been going on since 1997.
A poster on a NC State board - Pack Pride - actually got a hold of a prominent athlete's transcript that showed this guy was nearly risking academic suspension but was 'saved' fortunately by rather high grades in classes that are now suspect.
That athlete - Julius Peppers - now plays in the NFL and was also a basketball standout.
These issues of 'fake' classes and fake grades are also compounded by the rather unusual hiring of a certain Tami Hansbrough - mother of UNC standout Tyler Hansbrough and Notre Dame player Ben Hansbrough - as a fundraiser for the dental school, a position for which she had little experience and was being paid at a higher salary than others in comparable posts. Apparently, she was taking trips to attend games, etc. on the state's (school's) dime and cavorting with her paramour, the chief fundraiser.
The NCAA, as usual, is being shown as rather incompetent in this matter. Other schools would have gotten in a lot of trouble for these issues.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)UNC is a highly respected university and a great basketball history
if it was some podunk school, they would have been hit hard already
formercia
(18,479 posts)funny, I took a course in Swahili through the State Department.
alp227
(32,036 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)He had a degree in statistics and taught math at Haile Selassie University. Now called Addis Ababa University.
cer7711
(502 posts)I caught the same whiff of racism you did from his remark.
Because you and I aren't racists, however, we're not reacting like we're "supposed" to . . .
NCcoast
(480 posts)And 'gender studies' = feminists and gays
I'm from NC, I speak southern. And he's buddies with Scott Walker. God help us, it's going to be a long four years.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Those of us who understand the dog whistles down here know exactly what he is doing. It is going to be a long, destructive four years. I shudder to think what condition the state of North Carolina is going to be in after this is over. Republicans do a lot of permanent to extremely long-lived, semi-permanent damage anytime they are in charge. We will still be suffering from his policies for years to come. It takes a lot of work with a fine-toothed comb to undo all the damage a Republican can do in 4 years.
John2
(2,730 posts)react because that is why I keep the focus on the history of the Civil War and the South. African American Studies being attacked by white Southerners at the University of North Carolina is not by accident. The African American community in North Carolina is not paying attention because the attacks are mainly comming from white males like McCrory. I believe you can get a job with the army or State Department if you are an expert on different foreign languages. With the U.S. getting more involved in Africa, that specialty will be unique. You can also teach it at other Universities. North Carolina is becomming more diverse. Romney won by a little over two percent of the vote. McCrory has also pledged to implement voter I.D. laws although the state doesn't have voting serious problems. He also has ties with funding from the Koch brothers. Just like Virginia, the people of North Carolina need to wake up. It will get worse before people wake up to what is going on. My expectations is it will be by the midterm elections before they catch on.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Swahili simply isn't.
horsedoc
(81 posts)Anti-intellectualism and pandering to the mouth breathers of the country is not a winning strategy, but I fully support the Repugs first amendment rights of making fools out of themselves!!!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)mtasselin
(666 posts)He is going to call other people elite, he is just another hypocrite that does like what is being taught. I can only imagine what courses he would want taught. Let us not expand the thinking of American's population but out them back in the box of the 50's.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)obamanut2012
(26,082 posts)NCcoast
(480 posts)We can all go out for beers after whatever it is we'll be protesting.
mnhtnbb
(31,395 posts)tanyev
(42,573 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)harmonicon
(12,008 posts)"What are we teaching these courses for if they're not going to help get a job?"
Life is all about money, therefore life is all about jobs. Being a person? Making life worth living? Forget about that shit, because money.
Ford_Prefect
(7,905 posts)Including a ludicrous attempt to buy influence over the Humanities by endowing a Chair.
Pope owns the Governor along with much of the State Legislature. What McCrory speaks comes form Pope's mouth.
Together they have re-tooled NC state government with cast offs from GW Bush. They appear to be headed towards an 1850 version of North Carolina with all the obvious excuses.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)McCrory is now a hyper conservative puppet, but a large number of moderate Republicans and Democrats voted for him thinking he was the moderate, pro-business mayor of Charlotte that they remembered from the days of yore. And NC is not all the conservative to start with. There has got to be some blow back form all the overreaches that are beginning to happen.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)The missus remembers him as anything but. Though McCrory won in Mecklenburg, it wasn't by much %-wise. IMO he was going to get the governorship because of too much crap going on with Bev Perdue. Walter Dalton would have been a better governor anyway.
2014 if managed well at the state level and with a bit (whole lot imo) of Obama-style organizing could get the NC House and Senate turned D from R.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)It is being challenged in court, but I am not sure that the case is going anywhere. I do think that with good organizing and the over-reach that is bound to happen on the part of McCrory and the Rs, we have a good chance in 2014. This is just the start. They want to cut unemployment by a huge margin and eliminate income tax by shifting the burden onto the poor and middle class. At some point, the moderates who voted for this yahoo because he looks preppy and has a nice smile will realize they have been sold a bill of goods and rebel.
mnhtnbb
(31,395 posts)WTF!!!! This guy wants to cut the budget--but not without claiming
his poor appointees can't make it on less than $128,000.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/01/10/2598132/gov-pat-mccrory-gives-his-cabinet.html
John2
(2,730 posts)have a problem with re-election because redistricting want help you with being Governor. He'll be a one term Governor. He did get a good portion of the African American vote because he was a four term mayor of Charlotte. The corruption of leaders in the Democratic party locally didn't help with image either. He took clear advantage of that. It had nothing to do with the President, but moreso to do with their own material interests. It is why you saw North Carolina became Republican. They associated it with all Democrats. John Edwards is a good example of that image problem also. Mike Easley also ended up the same way as did the Durham prosecutor. The Democrats just need better candidates in North Carolina that are not on the take.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,905 posts)In some important ways his campaign was much like that of GW Bush in 2000. Much truth about the candidate and his agenda was hidden from the voting public in both parties. McCrory was presented as the reasonable, clean, "Nice Guy" candidate. All the while he was funded and packaged by Art Pope and ALEC and on a mission to over turn more than 30 years of moderate progress in North Carolina. His campaign denied any suggestions of arch conservative policies and avoided any admission at all that McCrory was employed by the Energy industries as a lobbyist.
His administration has wasted no time at all preparing to return North Carolina to a pre-Civil War plutocracy. They are pushing ALEC's agenda of denying federal authority full steam ahead.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)got him elected. It showed what else Pope was up to, it's really scary. He got several members of the Wake Co Board of Education elected and now they're reversing a busing policy that the WSJ called one of the best educational move, and so on. He is now budget director under McCrory and is trying to defund most of UNC. It's sickening. Thx for the info, I was born in NC and used to live there. My dad was AF and we returned there when I was 16 and I spent my summers in Fayetteville and Wrightsville Beach.
mnhtnbb
(31,395 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)That's about Pope and the repub taking over NC state house.
There's also a new yorker article and a website called artpopeexposed.com
http://www.artpopeexposed.com/new_yorker
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)The grassroots group I am a member of has been trying to warn people about Pope and big money in politics for years. Clearly they have not been paying attention. But they will now. And I don't think they will like what they learn.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)and i'd like to forward it to him. He worked on the Obama campaign in 2008. He's in North Raleigh. You know, I was thinking if word could get out about his politics it might not be too hard to boycott his stores. The very people he's hurting are the people he makes his money off of. Thanks
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)My hypocrisy meter is redlined yet again.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-rosenberg/pat-mccrory-higher-education_b_2583366.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
pkdu
(3,977 posts)And even he turned that into a job and funded gambling addiction.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)lastlib
(23,251 posts)So now we know what Gov. McCrory's agenda is.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)they'd probably string him up today.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)The typical UNC system 4 year degree is not narrowly focused on the degree title one graduates with. IMO the first 2 years are wasted with courses that could be taught better at High School. So a student graduates with a degree in "gender studies". OK, what courses did they take to get this degree designation? Did they change degree courses mid-stream, which is far easier to do in the US system vs the UK system. My wife graduated with a Liberal Arts degree, but works as a clinical lab technician because she had a whole lot of chemistry and biology courses under her belt as she did switch courses mid-stream.
Again, the career title doesn't tell all of the story. So if Gov. McCrory (Duke-Energy) wants to make it easier for someone to get a more "traditional" workplace degree course, sharpen up the liberal arts in K-12, get more "Early Colleges" in place, and find some money somewhere to pay for the types of classes that he wants to see people taking.
But then as pointed out above, what has his degree course got to do with working for Duke Energy? Where is his engineering background? oops, seems to be missing.
dotymed
(5,610 posts)report for re-education?
Sadly, I think it would mainly be made-up of older citizens. "They" have been pretty successful during the last 30 years in abolishing critical thinking skills since reaganism has been introduced.
Thankfully we do have some bright (probably more than I realize) young people who reject the status quo.
They have attempted to thoroughly indoctrinate them into learning only job skills.
I remember many years ago when "they" began requiring drug testing in our local H.S. for kids that were involved in extra-curricular activities or who drove to school. I was one of the very few parents against the policy.
1) it was against the 5th amendment
2) how would they get any kids off of drugs if they could not be exposed to alternatives
3) the list goes on.
"Their" response? "When these young people graduate they will have to be drug tested for employment anyway."
My kids friends thought I was a cool dad, but I just wanted these young people to have rights. I wasn't saying they should get high...
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)but difficult to drive; easy to govern but impossible to enslave.
Henry Brougham
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)NC is doomed.
We used to be known for our education.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)came from the UNC Chapel Hill press.
EDIT to add: I'm sure excellent works are still coming from the UNC Chapel Hill press. I just haven't been keeping up with it.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)To dicks like him, every American institution exists to service business.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)should be made to read and comprehend Cardinal Newman's treatise "The Idea of a University."
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/17/the-idea-of-a-university
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)in an oligarchy is a static institution, created to turn out gentlemen able to rule and to maintain a status quo which benefits them. In a democracy a university is a dynamic and revolutionary institution constructed to prepare citizens able to govern themselves. This is why the university as a bastion of conservative values is antithetical to the needs of a modern world, and is why conservative values cannot compete in institutions of higher learning on their merits and so seek political leverage to impose them.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)between education and training. The educated person can adapt to changing circumstances. The trained person can do one thing well, and if that skill is no longer in demand.........
Democrats_win
(6,539 posts)Bush wasted this country's money on reckless wars and the bankster bailout after they totally tanked the economy. So instead they blame the "elite" educators for the problems. Bush was a rare American president who screwed up so badly that he drastically harmed our country. If bush hadn't been president, we'd all be much better off and this endless GOP attack on our educational system would be moot.
Fix the economy, stupid, or STFU McCrory!
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I read it in the 60s...should probably follow your example of rereading it.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)re-reading it. McCrory's sentiments are hardly new or earth-shattering. They've been around in one form or another since the early 20th Century, according to Hofstadter, and are a part of the 'Attack on Modernity' in which anti-intellectualism participates and is implicated.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)since Andrew Jackson, perhaps even earlier.
factsarenotfair
(910 posts)RALEIGH -- North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory's communications director says he's leaving the job after only three months in Raleigh because of family concerns.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8978947
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)kiranon
(1,727 posts)Anyone of any intellectual weight of any sort would know the value of higher education and the ability to think and reason.
wishlist
(2,795 posts)Right wingers would prefer that everyone study business and be brainwashed to believe that less taxes for wealthier creates stronger economy and more jobs. Despite Bush II providing ample evidence to the contrary. Media pundits such as Melissa Francis, conservative Fox business anchor who used to be on CNBC, spout off regulary how business classes they took taught them that taxes must be lowered for economy to improve.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)After all, logical reasoning skills defeat the lies on Faux Noise, and we can't have that.
JI7
(89,252 posts)without question.
learning about the world makes you see things in a different way and as they are. why keep people ignorant. what if most people in north korea were able to see what the world is really like ?
what if people in this country just read a few more books which might not make them millionaires but make them see things differently ?
would they put up with some of the shit that they do ?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)He was responsible for nearly destroying Charlotte and now he is in charge of North Carolina. He is one dumb ass mofo too. I can't wait until the chance to vote against him comes up again. I wish he had not won. It is still beyond sickening to me that he won.
yardwork
(61,662 posts)Yapping about how corrupt the Democrats were and how McCrory was a sensible centrist. I also blame the Easleys partly for this.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Glad to see it's overwhelmingly an argument against idiots like McCrory.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)What a fucking idiot.
He is dead wrong both in the purpose of education and in denying students their intellectual inheritance as members of humanity. There is a desperate need for humanities in our society. The fact that commercial culture does not recognize it is all the more reason to learn why.
patrice
(47,992 posts)embarrassed to reveal how closed minded they are.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)perform tasks in service of our corporate overlords??
Ok. Just so I know where we stand on this.
It really is war. They intend to take us back to pre-Enlightenment times.
okwmember
(345 posts)that state colleges charge more for liberal arts courses than science or business since he believes liberal arts degrees are useless. Meanwhile my brilliant (but middle aged) husband with a BS in Aerospace Engineering and an MBA can't find a job. These assholes drive me nuts. They in no way value education.
I'm always amazed at how they are constantly pushing for people to get math and science degrees and then if a scientist discovers anything that doesn't conform to their beliefs, its all a big conspiracy because God already told them everything they needed to know in the Bible.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)And that other majors (liberal arts, fine arts, performing arts) will NOT get you a job.
I got a BA in Biology. No job.
A Doctor of Jurisprudence (law degree) No job.
I shoulda majored in art which is what I really loved.I would have had the same employment prospects as I did getting degrees in stuff I didn't love.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)both of whom went to a public high school here in NC, and both of whom now attend UNC.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emily-booker/liberal-arts-education-th_b_2585513.html
I see the argument-- North Carolina has faced persistently high unemployment numbers, seen the dissolution of the textile, furniture and other industry, and, like most states around the country, sought a balanced budget involving tough funding choices. After entering college as a political science major, I picked up public relations at UNC's top-ranked School of Journalism and Mass Communication, thinking it would better prepare me for the job market.
However, education is so much more than vocational training and short-term job creation. It's about the development of critical thinking, writing and communication skills that have advanced the innovation of the country for hundreds of years. These abilities are transferrable across all careers and are the foundations of modernism and the 21st century labor market in the United States.
Perhaps the most laughable part of the interview was when McCrory said, "I think some of the educational elite have taken over our education where we are offering courses that have no chance of getting people jobs."
The educational elite have taken over our education? Is there a problem with this I'm not seeing? Is having industry professionals establish curriculum a bad thing?
deutsey
(20,166 posts)The more I think about it, that's what we've done: descended into a new, high-tech Dark Age.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The Chinese are sending their best to our schools in the hopes that they can learn to be fluent in Western Culture, and also to develop the critical thinking skills that their secondary education puts less emphasis on.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)you can bet that those students are here learning hard sciences, engineering or business management.
They are not here specifically to develop critical thinking skills - they are here to learn specific skills the Chinese government wants to expand their economy.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)1St Gov Campaign: Lost to Bev Perdue
Perdue raised $5.6 million and ran attack ads against McCrory, criticizing him on various issues. McCrory later referred to these ads as "shameless, inaccurate, and negative", and in the last week of the campaign countered with his own negative ad in which he proudly claimed to have never run a negative ad, moments before attacking his opponent inaccurately.
The McCrory campaign spent $3.4 million and an independent expenditure funded by the Republican Governor's association assisted McCrory with a further $6.2 million in spending on attack ads on McCrory's opponent
2nd Gov Campaign:Won, beat Walter Dalton
During the primary McCrory was criticized for lacking conservative credentials and for the high taxes and large debt in Charlotte while he was Mayor. McCrory countered with negative ads against his foremost opponent, Sen. Fred Smith that inaccurately claimed he ran up state debt in the state legislature.
He raised over 4 million in the 2012 campaign, Dalton the democratic candidate raised a little over 1 million.
From his time as mayor of Charlotte:
By working closely with the help of U.S. Senator Jesse Helms, McCrory made efforts to secure $200 million in federal funds for the city's new Lynx Light Rail system. This plan help expand bus service in Charlotte and brought light rail to the city. Was also appointed to Homeland Security council by George W Bush along with Mitt Romney and Lee Hamilton
He wrote a white paper on educational reform that did not include his current postition
So there you have it. Another Republican who won election by running ads that weren't true and by outfunding his opponents. Once in office, just like all the other tea partiers/gopers he has changed his position to include radical crap no one would have backed. I'm sick of it!!!
treestar
(82,383 posts)And what the universities were originally for.
Corporations should do the job training themselves.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)libnnc
(9,996 posts)Looks like we're in a handbasket headed straight for The Rip Van Winkle Years - Part II Electric Boogaloo.
Joy of all possible joys...