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jsr

(7,712 posts)
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:51 PM Jan 2013

TSA ends contract with Rapiscan, maker of full-body scanner

Source: Los Angeles Times

The Transportation Security Administration has ended a contract with the Hawthorne-based manufacturer of a controversial full-body scanner used to screen passengers.

Rapiscan, a unit of OSI Systems Inc., manufactured about half of the full-body scanners used by the TSA to screen passengers for hidden weapons at airports across the country.

But TSA officials said the agency has canceled its contract with the company because it had failed to deliver software to protect the privacy of passengers.

The Rapiscan scanner uses low-level X-rays to create what looks like a naked image of screened passengers to target weapons hidden under the clothes.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-fullbody-scanner-contract-20130117,0,3525187.story

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TSA ends contract with Rapiscan, maker of full-body scanner (Original Post) jsr Jan 2013 OP
I thought Rapiscan was a satirical name BainsBane Jan 2013 #1
I know. How clueless are their marketing people? pnwmom Jan 2013 #3
Maybe they are just very honest. LisaL Jan 2013 #9
I am sure they intended to suggest rapid scan, but it reads like rape is scan. nt MADem Jan 2013 #10
I'm sure therapists sympathize with their situation... n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #15
Ha--another "unfortunate" word!!! MADem Jan 2013 #17
Rapeyscan nt dorkulon Jan 2013 #35
The marketing people dont have to be very clever when they have good lobbyists. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #18
Wasn't he a part owner of Rapiscan previously? n/t flamingdem Jan 2013 #24
I believe that to be true but couldnt find such. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #43
makes sense BainsBane Jan 2013 #32
Does it rhyme with a musical genre or sexual violation? alp227 Jan 2013 #8
Yes. n/t backscatter712 Jan 2013 #26
That was my first thought too Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #13
Yeah, that is really unfortunate. nt dorkulon Jan 2013 #33
I wondered the same thing! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #45
When they stop using these health hazards, I might consider flying again. AllyCat Jan 2013 #2
No. Read the article. The other type of machine doesn't use x-rays. Many people on DU pnwmom Jan 2013 #4
I see that now on a reread. Updated my post. Thanks! AllyCat Jan 2013 #6
Half of the machines already in place use sound waves instead of x-rays. pnwmom Jan 2013 #20
Sound waves? jberryhill Jan 2013 #30
Sorry. I meant to say "radio waves" (millimeter waves) are not x-rays. pnwmom Jan 2013 #38
X-rays are electromagnetic waves, just like radio waves jberryhill Jan 2013 #47
So? Water is a chemical, just like alcohol. pnwmom Jan 2013 #52
"Do you worry about radio waves every time you turn on your radio?" jberryhill Jan 2013 #54
How can we find out? I've tried the TSA website and it made no sense. AllyCat Jan 2013 #51
The machines look different. So you could ask friends who do use the airport. pnwmom Jan 2013 #53
And the manufacturer will have to pay to remove them. Good. pnwmom Jan 2013 #5
This is the company through which Michael Chertoff, a Bushie, was stealing millions from taxpayers. PSPS Jan 2013 #7
How many millions of tax dollars were flushed down Rapiscam? FailureToCommunicate Jan 2013 #11
This was/is a disgrace with Chartoff pocketing the profits flamingdem Jan 2013 #23
What a strange comment RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #39
Think female reproductive system flamingdem Jan 2013 #55
Wait a minute.... ReRe Jan 2013 #12
Are you thinking of "Brownie"? pnwmom Jan 2013 #21
No... ReRe Jan 2013 #25
Michael Chertoff. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #29
You win! ReRe Jan 2013 #31
...and his (also) evil twin: FailureToCommunicate Jan 2013 #42
You have an excellent memory. pnwmom Jan 2013 #34
Wowser... ReRe Jan 2013 #37
I actually liked that thing MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #14
Not to worry. They will replace rapiscans by machines made by a different company. LisaL Jan 2013 #16
Oh well Liberalagogo Jan 2013 #19
HA! I have been railing against those radiation spewing machines for a while flamingdem Jan 2013 #22
Looks like Skeletor's business plans aren't going as expected. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #27
Investor info is suddenly very hard to find..... alittlelark Jan 2013 #28
Glad i chose the pat down every time I ran into one of these things KeepItReal Jan 2013 #36
Introducing a "gingerbread man" software update should have been simple for them... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #40
I wonder if it's just a pretend reason, and the real goal of TSA is to get rid of X-rays (radiation) LisaL Jan 2013 #49
"Tell us if your left arm hurts" HockeyMom Jan 2013 #41
What?????? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #44
Before I went through the full body scanner, HockeyMom Jan 2013 #46
Sounds like some mass experiment to me... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #48
That is extremely bizarre. LisaL Jan 2013 #50

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. Ha--another "unfortunate" word!!!
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:40 AM
Jan 2013

Can you imagine someone who is chugging along in their ESL class, being told by a doctor that they need to see the rapist for additional medical help??? It would be enough to put one off medical care entirely!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
18. The marketing people dont have to be very clever when they have good lobbyists.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:47 AM
Jan 2013

"The company Rapiscan - which built some of these machines - spent $420,000 in 2008 alone lobbying lawmakers - and their return on that investment in lobbying was a 2009 contract for $173 million worth of these machines for our in airports. Former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff - who played his part is hyping up fear while working for the Bush Administration - went on to became a lobbyist - and went on TV telling the American people that these machines were needed to keep us safe. And guess who was one of Chertoff's clients? Rapiscan. " Thom Hartmann

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10179062

AllyCat

(16,216 posts)
2. When they stop using these health hazards, I might consider flying again.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jan 2013

I refuse to subject myself and my family to radiation and groping just for the privilege of flying in over-priced seats with crabby staff and no food or drink. I'll take my time and take the train.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
4. No. Read the article. The other type of machine doesn't use x-rays. Many people on DU
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:03 AM
Jan 2013

have been advocating for the use of the other machines because they are safer.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
20. Half of the machines already in place use sound waves instead of x-rays.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jan 2013

So depending on where you're flying to and from, you might consider flying anytime.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. Sound waves?
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jan 2013

Do you have a link for that?

There are two types, x-ray backscatter and millimeter wave.

But... sound waves? That would be an interesting trick for a number of reasons.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
38. Sorry. I meant to say "radio waves" (millimeter waves) are not x-rays.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:42 AM
Jan 2013

Here's more info:

http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/communications/1-how-is-data-put-on-radio-waves.html

How is data put on radio waves?

There are two common ways to put information in a radio wave, and you've likely run into them yourself. They are called A.M. and F.M. just like the two choices you've always known are on a radio. To understand these two ways of sending information it is important to know that radio waves, by themselves, have very regular patterns. Generally they keep the same amplitude or frequency all the time. (Amplitude is the "height" of the radio wave, frequency is how close the waves are to each other.)

http://www.propublica.org/special/scanning-the-scanners-a-side-by-side-comparison

A millimeter wave machine beams radio frequency waves over the surface of the body using two rotating antennas. The energy reflected back from the body is analyzed for anomalies. Because of controversy over a “virtual strip search,” TSA swapped the image with a generic unisex outline that resembles the cartoon character Gumby.

What energy is used? Low-powered millimeter waves, which are not a form of ionizing radiation. (Ionizing radiation is powerful enough to strip electrons off atoms and damage DNA, potentially leading to cancer.)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. X-rays are electromagnetic waves, just like radio waves
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jan 2013

Radio waves, microwaves, light, x-rays... They are all electromagnetic waves.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
52. So? Water is a chemical, just like alcohol.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jan 2013

But they don't have the same effect on the body -- and neither do radio waves and x-rays.

Do you worry about radio waves every time you turn on your radio?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
54. "Do you worry about radio waves every time you turn on your radio?"
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jan 2013

Umm.. no.. but the other name for "millimeter waves" is "microwaves".

Do you stick your head in the microwave oven?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave

Microwaves are radio waves with wavelengths ranging from as long as one meter to as short as one millimeter, or equivalently, with frequencies between 300 MHz (0.3 GHz) and 300 GHz. This broad definition includes both UHF and EHF (millimeter waves), and various sources use different boundaries. In all cases, microwave includes the entire SHF band (3 to 30 GHz, or 10 to 1 cm) at minimum, with RF engineering often putting the lower boundary at 1 GHz (30 cm), and the upper around 100 GHz (3 mm).

AllyCat

(16,216 posts)
51. How can we find out? I've tried the TSA website and it made no sense.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jan 2013

Train is cheaper for the next trip and we are not in a hurry so the time to travel doesn't matter.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
5. And the manufacturer will have to pay to remove them. Good.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:04 AM
Jan 2013

We should have just been using the other company all along, since they have the better product.

PSPS

(13,614 posts)
7. This is the company through which Michael Chertoff, a Bushie, was stealing millions from taxpayers.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jan 2013

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
23. This was/is a disgrace with Chartoff pocketing the profits
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jan 2013

and other Repuke scam artists meanwhile thousands of female airport workers were exposed to a ton of radiation, unnecessarily!

I opted out and got mauled. Grrrr

RandiFan1290

(6,239 posts)
39. What a strange comment
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jan 2013

Only the female airport workers were exposed to radiation?
The males were somehow exempt?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
12. Wait a minute....
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:28 AM
Jan 2013

Last edited Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:38 AM - Edit history (1)

K&R

... What was the name of GW's last Director of Homeland Security? Funny/unusual last name? I'm having a senior moment. Someone holler back at me and I will finish this reply... Thanks!

*Editing to answer my own question and ask another...

Does anyone remember Michael Chertoff? If my memory serves me correctly (and sometimes it doesn't!) Michael Chertoff was going through the swinging door to head a company that made these X-Ray machines for the airports. Does anyone remember that? I tried to find the Board Members of this Rapiscan & OSI Systems, Inc, but had no luck. And I can't explain why I'm so fascinated with this. Maybe because of the backstory that's not being told about this sudden collapse of his (Chertoff's) contract with Homeland Security. What happened to Rapiscan?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
25. No...
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jan 2013

he was FEMA director. I just found it! He was Michael Chertoff! I'm going to go back and edit my first reply... won't take me long, so if you're online for a while, check my original reply again...

Thanks!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
31. You win!
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jan 2013

... I have a tendency (lifelong) of not remembering the names of people I don't like. Seriously. Please see my original post for the rest of my questions about this smarmy character...

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
34. You have an excellent memory.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 03:24 AM
Jan 2013

You just need to learn to google.

I googled "Chertoff" and "Rapiscan" and this is the first thing I found. Enjoy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/fear_pays_chertoff_n_787711.html

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
37. Wowser...
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:33 AM
Jan 2013

Thank you for that! Took me a while to read it as my eyes are tired. All I googled at first was was Rapiscan and OSI Systems, Inc, which didn't get me to his name. Then I came back and googled homeland security directors. Bingo, there he was. Chertoff is one of the places where all the money goes....

MichaelHarris

(10,017 posts)
14. I actually liked that thing
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jan 2013

I have an artificial knee and using it cut down the time I spent detained. Guess I'll have to go back to sitting in a cubicle and waiting for a frisking.

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
22. HA! I have been railing against those radiation spewing machines for a while
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jan 2013

When will someone admit what a health hazard they posed?

In England they got rid of them because so many people working near them miscarried!

Not covered here though.. just a nice fade to black.

Chartoff is RICH due to this BS. Watch the skin cancer numbers go up shortly.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
27. Looks like Skeletor's business plans aren't going as expected.
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 01:29 AM
Jan 2013

So how long until Chertoff sails away on the golden parachute while Rape-i-scan goes bust?

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
40. Introducing a "gingerbread man" software update should have been simple for them...
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:11 AM
Jan 2013

In the past couple of years I've been through a number of other manufacturers' scanners that use this simple solution for privacy. Why would Rapiscan flush such a lucrative deal this way? Madness....

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
49. I wonder if it's just a pretend reason, and the real goal of TSA is to get rid of X-rays (radiation)
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jan 2013

I never believed it was all so harmless as they claimed.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
41. "Tell us if your left arm hurts"
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:43 AM
Jan 2013

Why? I went through this full body scanner in Ft. Myers, Fl., but not at JFK where it was just the regular x-ray. No, my arm did not hurt me right after, BUT it was killing me the next day. I couldn't do anything with it for about 24 hours.

Never again. I would rather have a pat down. What is with this?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
44. What??????
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jan 2013

Am I reading correctly that you went thru a full body scanner and were TOLD that your left arm might hurt as a result, and it did hurt?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
46. Before I went through the full body scanner,
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jan 2013

the TSA person told me to tell them if after it my left arm hurt. They did not tell me WHY it should hurt. My arm did not hurt right after I went through the scanner. It happened 24 hours later.

I would like to know WHY they thought my arm might hurt. I tried doing a google search about this but I found nothing. I was wondering if anyone knew about this.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
48. Sounds like some mass experiment to me...
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:33 AM
Jan 2013

Did they give you any contact info so you COULD tell them if your arm hurts????
and why your lrft arm, I wonder..was that the arm closest to the scanner?
You might want to document where and when and who re: the scanner, in case this comes up as a lawsuit later.
Imagine what could happen if hundreds of people all had the same problem.

I have refused to fly since TSA got so invasive.
And it was very clear that the scanner technology was not safe, as time went on and more and more stories came out about TSA workers not being allowed protection, it became more concerning.
See, for instance, this:
http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/30/did-airport-scanners-give-boston-tsa-agents-cancer/

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