Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
Source: The Hill
Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
By Ian Swanson - 12/14/12 06:49 AM ET
President Obama said his economic policies are "so mainstream" he'd be considered a moderate Republican in the 1980s.
In a Thursday interview with a Miami-based local television station, Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country.
"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican," he told Noticias Univision 23 in a White House interview.
"I mean, what I believe in is a tax system that is fair," he continued. "I don't think government can solve every problem. I think that we should make sure that we're helping young people go to school. We should make sure that our government is building good roads and bridges and hospitals and airports so that we have a good infrastructure.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/272957-obama-says-his-economic-policies-so-mainstream-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s
Enrique
(27,461 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)Wind Dancer
(3,618 posts)Most of us knew this already and were shut down if we dared discuss it.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)-p
dogman
(6,073 posts)This would have resolved a lot of the debates here.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)think
(11,641 posts)adieu
(1,009 posts)considered as hard conservative in the 1980s. I know, why are we backing this guy? Because the alternative is so fucking crazy!!
Flatpicker
(894 posts)We swung so hard right that we will need a generation to get back to normal.
Unless the TPers swing us more right in 14?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)What you just said is completely inaccurate and poorly thought out.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)He continued indefinite detentions, his DOJ fought allowing Bagram detainees to use Habeas Corpus to challenge their detention, he also signed an act that would allow detaining US citizens indefinitely. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_of_2012
He ordered a killing of a US Citizen abroad, he continues the Patriot Act, expansion of surveillance and punishing whistle-blowers, there is a reason why the poster you replied to said what he/she said.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Regardless, no far right wing Republican would have the civil liberties stances that Obama has on non-defense related subjects. So its utterly stupid to suggest that they would.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)NCarolinawoman
(2,825 posts)Salazar was/is not an environmentalist.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)And they're being slaughtered. What a tragedy.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Just change the subject when the other person's points don't suit you.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)The President was referring to his economic stance. You brought up civil liberties. Don't be surprised when people play by your rule book.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)A poster above me brought it up and said that Obama's civil liberties stances would've made him a hard right conservative in the 1980s. I responded to that.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)"drill, baby, drill"?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)we can solve everything.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)Exactly.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)JHB
(37,162 posts)Can we all remember this when talking about "The Left"? 'cause these days that term covers a lot of ground that once upon a time was seen as pretty mundane.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)word that he is a Democrat from the Dem Wing of the party---based upon What he stated during his campaign in 2008---
And this is also an indicator/measument for How Far The Dem Leadership have allowed us to be "pulled toward the Right"...I'm not going any further.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)Wait, wasn't the "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" Howard Dean's line?
demwing
(16,916 posts)Some of us remember
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)In Florida in Dec. 2012, he obviously was trying to win some of them over.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)think
(11,641 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)PBO: I don't know that there are a lot of Cubans or Venezuelans, Americans who believe that. The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican. I mean, what I believe in is a tax system that is fair. I don't think government can solve every problem. I think that we should make sure that we're helping young people go to school. We should make sure that our government is building good roads and bridges and hospitals and airports so that we have a good infrastructure. I do believe that it makes sense that everyone in America, as rich as this country is, shouldn't go bankrupt because someone gets sick, so the things I believe in are essentially the same things your viewers believe in.
...is a shrewd politician. He is redefining the right.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Why do you even try?
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)I respected many moderate Republicans. Barack Obama is slightly right of Dwight Eisenhauer. It's true. We could do a lot worse and we have done a lot worse in recent years.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Eisenhower insisted on a 91% top tax bracket, started enormous public works projects, laughed at anyone who wanted to attack unions or Social Security, etc.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)policies are comparable for the times (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021969595), and he gave us health care reform: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021978966
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)It was health insurance reform, and it wasn't a gift.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021978966
Why don't you post that comment there?
"It was health insurance reform, and it wasn't a gift."
It expanded Medicaid to 16 million people. You're right, it wasn't a "gift." It was common sense.
SCOTUS ruling on health care law a huge win for Medicaid
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002868894
Note this point: Medicaid does not cover many low-income adults today.
Make no mistake: Republican hate Medicaid, they alway have.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002531684
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)Moderate Republicans are pretty much extinct now, but I remember them. They were decent people. I guess the current democratic party is the new "moderate Republican."
PurityOfEssence
(13,150 posts)Much as I have many problems with the guy, this kind of straight talk is reassuring. What he's saying isn't particularly damning or anything of the sort; he's making a straightforward observation about the grave changes in our political landscape over the past few decades and an honorable self-assessment.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)while he's the "moderate" right.
we distinguish the difference in which Cubans or Venezuelans, because there is a group of Cubans that perpetuates this right wing propaganda on all the Democratic party. They associated themselves with white supremacists and State's Rights advocates in this country too, which as an African American, I find offensive, and I'm putting it bluntly.
They should not associate the Cuban Revolution led by Fidel Castro with the History of the United States. This is a country that came from slavery to what we have today. The Federal Government has always been crucial in U.S. History ever since the American Civil War. Some of the greatest U.S. presidents in our hIstory would have been associated with communism, according to many cuban immigrants that fled Cuba for asylum in this country. I'm not trying to be mean, but I'm just stating the facts, about our country. They've been brain washed by state's rights supremacists, like the former Jessie Helms of North Carolina. I can understand some older Cubans resent Fidel Castro, taking their property, but this is not Cuba and Fidel Castro's Revolution. The same goes for people that hate Chavez too. I just don't think newly arrived immigrants should call natives that were here long before them, stealing or turning their country into anything, especially when that system of Government was here long before they even arrived here. I have no problem with them participating in our system, and welcome them with open arms, but wouldn't that be kinda rude if you disrespect those that accept you?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)many of us wouldn't have voted for him 25 years ago. Hopefully those who bash liberals for all of the woes of the party will read this and realize that the root of the president's problem is that he is a self-indentifying (R).
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)That's pretty much their goal right? Turning the Democratic Party into the Rockefeller republicans?
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Too bad there were no actual Democrats running in 2012!
CheapShotArtist
(333 posts)America's politics have shifted rightward. The question now is...what is there to do about it? As long as the Rethugs are allowed to keep spreading the lie that the Dems are somehow "socialists" and far-left, we're pretty much fucked because there are a LOT of dumbass voters (around 60 million to be more precise) who'll buy that shit.
LoisB
(7,234 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I recall there used to be a few of those people back in the day.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)I know this because I read it on Democratic Underground.
kurtzapril4
(1,353 posts)ballaratocker
(126 posts)So it's gotta be true!
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)The man is a saint!
andym
(5,445 posts)Blame Reagan, Rush/talk radio and Fox and all of the people who have fallen under their influence. The country has moved so much to the right economically that it is unrecognizable.
The good news is that on the social side, the country has become more liberal.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Mazeltov.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)rcmooney
(6 posts)On 24 May 2011, James Carville said, "I'd say President Obama is a pre-2008 John McCain Republican."
mike_c
(36,281 posts)I never liked the moderate ones much, either.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)A moderate republican in the 80's was not a severely bad thing. Many of them could have been seen as democrats. They were pro-choice, for gun control, supported unions, were for equality and social justice. Many republicans voted for Medicare and Affirmative Action as well as the Civil Rights Act. On the other hand, we had democrats in the 80's who would be considered hard right by today's test.
Give Obama a break!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Now, we have no choice but to vote for a candidate that we wouldn't have dreamed of voting for in the 80s and before.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)be considered a conservative or middle of the road Dem now. Personally I'm to the left of Obama and I knew this when I voted for him. Paul Ryan on the other hand is the face of the modern republican and that's scares the shit out of me.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)I voted for President Obama twice even though I consider myself farther to the left than the President. I still call myself a Liberal rather than a Progressive, because I refuse to let the right wing whackos turn that word into something dirty. As Bill Press and Stephanie Miller both say, "I am a Liberal and I am Proud of It."
President Obama has done many good things, and somethings I wish he wouldn't have, just like every other Democratic President. Would I prefer he always err to the left sure, but the times are the times. That being said I won't be happy with him, if cuts to Medicare and SS are proposed and/or approved by him. Not saying they will be for sure, but just saying if they are.
You are also right that he is far preferrable to someone like Lyin Ryan or any of the Pukers now a days. I think that whole freaking party has turned into a bunch of psycho nut jobs who wouldn't know common sense/sanity if they were to smack them in the face. It is terrifying that somehow they still manage to get elected to any office let alone congress.
And this comes from someone who was raised by moderate Republicans. My Mom and I turned Democrat in the heart and mind though in the 1980s. Me because my Liberal Community College History Professor converted me and her because she thought Raygun was a nutjob too. She also firmly believed in Women's Right and the Right to Choose.
She never changed her formal registration because to have a say in our town gov, you have to register Republican. There is never any Democratic challengers even today. Redneck town in NY what can I say. My Mom voted Democrat in the State and National Elections though from the 80's on. So did I.
To me principal was more important than having a say in town politics, so I officialy changed my registration to Democrat, in the mid 90's. I couldn't in good conscience have anything to do with those bigoted, ignorant, a-holes on the PUke side anymore.
My sis changed to Dem too although she doesn't care that much about politics in general, and my Dad stayed a Republican until he died in the early 90's. He didn't seem to care at all about national politics. Never disscussed it. All he cared about was who was the Town Supervisor and the Highway Superintendent. That was what was important to him.
So I can forgive President Obama even if I consider him to be more like a Moderate Republican and even still respect him. At the same time, however, I can keep hoping and working towards the day when we can elect a more Liberal President again.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)That's enough to get kicked off of DU
frylock
(34,825 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)can send $40 billion a month to buy their mortgage-backed assets so they don't lose money, or $16 trillion to support other greedy bastards after years of fraudulent and criminal speculation with people's lives so they can keep getting bonuses of $20 million dollars above their salaries, then government is useful.
But to encourage enough demand to help create 24 million jobs, or keep 50,000 families from being yanked out of their homes every month, or create opportunities by subsidizing higher ed instead of passing laws that make it more likely that one will be in debt for decades as a cost of a degree of debatable worth, or watching as food stamp usage or the number of people considered "working poor" or in poverty hit record numbers we haven't seen for decades, increase, or millionaires on the hill sit around their taxpayer provided lunch tables and decide how many old people they can cut loose from Medicare because they cost too much, then, suddenly, government can 't solve all their problems.
I understand, and don't give a flying rat's ass about the context of the remarks.
Our ideas of fair are very different.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Since when is willful ignorance a virtue?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)another meal to count on until they get to school Monday, and it happens thousands of times across the richest country in the world, while over the same weekend billionaires are getting hundreds of millions of dollars taxpayer dollars that same weekend to support their houses and international business which some operate so as to avoid paying the taxes that underwrite the checks they grab. Or thousands of seniors sit in the dark, cold, lonely, afraid, with no medicine or food or friends and no money to change any of that after working for 40 years paying taxes and being an obedient citizen, and that happens thousands upon thousands of times, while banks are getting billions in zero interest taxpayer-funded loans so they can loan money out for profit to put in their pockets, While over 10 million families considered working poor with no future for years, according to the latest news from the labor department struggle every day while banks are supported with accounting rules that make their assets appear to be worth more than they are so as to keep the taxpayer dollars flooding in.
I find that so offensive and repulsive that I can't think of what possible context could make anything but "what can we do?" ok.
Here's another statement from a Republican President...
"As a result of the War, corporations have been entrenched and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands".
That context was in 1865. What I read sounds like a very different Republican view, one that either isn't informed, or maybe just doesn't care about history.
Oh, and same guy...
"Republicans, on the contrary, are for both the man and the dollar; but in case of conflict, the man before the dollar. "
Not what I am hearing today, even with context.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Cognitive dissonance is a damned powerful force. And amusing.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Cognitive dissonance is a damned powerful force. And amusing."
...sort of like hate, but which isn't amusing.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The left is hated far worse than the right on DU.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)made ProSense very angry.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)-p
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)No one -- MSM, the Party, the Administration -- wants anything to do with anything aporoaching the "left." And "left" has a pretty liberal definition.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I understand the point he's trying to make but he seems proud that he is espousing moderate republican policies.
And that's disturbing.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)You are missing the point. The country has shifted. His "moderate" 20th century republican policies are needed to move the country to the left.
I know most of us liberals want to be able to go from Far Right to Far Left in one fell swoop, but it doesn't work that we. It's taken awhile for the country to shift so far to the right and the only way back is one step at a time.
Obama's policies are stepping back to the left. And yes, that's a good this.
byeya
(2,842 posts)those who are destroying the country for their short term monetary gain.
We don't need to coddle the Frackensteins.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)the political class has. When every politician, Dem and Rep, bought into the neo-liberal economic bullshit, we stopped having a choice in elections. Look at where the people stand on ISSUES rather than self identification.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Indefinite detention, "kill lists" and drone wars, pre-emptive war as administration doctrine, spy centers for mining or surveillance of all phone calls and email without a warrant, internet IDs and internet-censoring measures like ACTA, military drones in American skies, coordinated violent crackdowns against peaceful protesters, arguing at the Supreme Court for warrantless wiretapping and strip searches for any arrestee, job-killing free trade agreements, bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks, corporate education deform, selling off the Gulf of Mexico, a ramped up war on drugs, and using Medicare and Social Security as hostages to get austerity budgets in an economy that has already impoverished its middle class.....These are not moderate or centrist positions. Not by a long shot.
These are extreme corporatist, neocon, and police state policies, not "centrist" or moderate at all. And they are driven by corporatists in both parties.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)!!!!! !!!!!
-p
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Lest we forget what caused the economic issues of today. Ahem, 1980's conservatism.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I bet at least 1/3 of the GOP does, if not closer to 50%. That's not a small number, though it is dwindling.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)because the right wing talking heads fed them the socialist shite, knowing full well he's more like a "l980's repug." and, that's how far at the fascist right we've gone when the corporate owned media tells fools that the president is a sosssssshulist.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)about leaning toward socialism or far left.
It's a good thing he didn't say this before the election.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)GOP policies are why this country is as messed up as it is.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Obama is to the right of Nixon.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)(not a mccarthy repug) but the eighties weren't the good old days, that's when reagan gave us shite and called it cake with trickle on economics. it's when reagan started attacking labor, busting unions. iran-contra anyone? how about the BCCI scandal. banks money laundering drug money and TERRORIST money. how about the S&L scam-the foxes guarding loosely the henhouse. what i see of the eighties is union busting, deregulating scams, greed and major corruption that hurts the american people, and an administration who went behind the backs and made deals against the people in this country while putting drugs on our STREETS. what was that for, to increase the prison population?
please don't say you're like a repug from the eighties. that's what got us into this corrupt mess in the first place; while letting politicians who did great harm to this country slide.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Explains why he had no problem repeatedly making sure that Social Security and Medicare was on the bargaining table. Explains lots of his appointments too. Many of us here on DU were treated to barrage of links and ad hominem attacks by a specific group of folks here, for even hinting that Obama was a Conservadem . It is quite interesting to see how this group of posters is working this thread.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:07 PM - Edit history (1)
the day after the election. Now he admits it. If he cuts Medicare and Social Security this place is going to go ballistic.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)this is news to none but the Kool-Aid drinkers
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)at one time moderate republicans were socially progressive and fiscally conservative. hell ike would be a far left liberal today.
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)The Democrats have turned Republican, and the Republicans have gone crazy.
dawg
(10,624 posts)"Obama said he thinks few people believe he wants to impose socialism on the country ...."
If he really believes that, he is being delusional. Fully 30% of the country thinks he is either a socialist or worse, and no matter how far he moves to the right, that will not change.
He still doesn't get it.
He still doesn't understand how profoundly divorced from reality the American right has become.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)Obama is very much a moderate NOW
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,590 posts)I sorta see him that way today!
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
What Eats Up 53 Cents Of Every Tax Dollar?
pampango
(24,692 posts)who uses it to prove he's not one of us - liberal Democrats.
Resonance_Chamber
(142 posts)he is a Pub who lacked the courage to be in the GOP.
I have always felt that way about him and always will.
Is he as bad as Reagan, no but if Pres Obama becomes the new standard for a dem then the party will have left me.
I would like to see the REAL Democrats the Liberals and Progressives split off into the democratic socialist party and be a party that actually represents the people.
Yes I voted for him twice but held my nose only because the other choice was worse.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)with a Congress as liberal as that FDR had. FDR made mistakes and had plenty of liberal critics in his day.
FDR inherited a Great Depression and had a liberal congress to work with. Obama inherited a Great Recession and a partisan congress and filibuster-prone senate. Perhaps FDR could have done better in Obama's situation. We will never know.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What we need is another FDR not a Nixon.
I support the President but statements like that give me no comfort at all.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)I must be stuck in the 80's. Or maybe the 30's.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I'd be ashamed.
Steerpike
(2,692 posts)For once I agree with the President 100%!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I hear the thunder of approaching Pom-Poms.
rock
(13,218 posts)The Shitpublican party was already in the throes of non-democracy by the 80s. They have continued to with this trend since then. Of course maybe Obama means he's conservative in the old sense of the word (as am I).
byeya
(2,842 posts)to obtain living wages and safe working conditions?
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)So would Bill, and yes, so would Hillary. The question is, would Reagan be seen by the modern GOP as a Democrat?
Number23
(24,544 posts)And yet, the super de dooper "uber leftists" seem to have learned not ONE DAMN THING and are still determined to play the "lefter than thou" game and dump all over this president as if anyone gives a shit or ever did.
I mean, this shit would be funny if it were not so incredibly sad and indicative of something almost pathological. Every time I come here, I remember what CJ Craig said about the lunatics that live on web sites before barring Josh from discussing anything with any of those people on The West Wing.
Joe the Progressive
(13 posts)Not that I think that is a great thing, just an observation. The TeaBaggers have taken the Republicans so far to the right, that a centrist looks to be a socialist from their perspective.