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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,764 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:01 AM Apr 11

Baltimore bridge collapse could wipe out emergency federal highway fund

Source: Washington Post

ECONOMIC POLICY
Baltimore bridge collapse could wipe out emergency federal highway fund

Maryland might jump in front of states that have sought highway disaster aid for more than a decade

By Jacob Bogage
April 11, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. EDT

Maryland and Baltimore may jump ahead of states that have waited more than a decade for emergency highway funding, as the federal government swoops in with aid after the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge.

The Federal Highway Administration’s emergency relief fund, which reimburses states for expenses to repair or reconstruct roadways after disasters, has a $2.1 billion backlog of projects and only $890 million on hand, according to data obtained by The Washington Post.

That money is not paid on a first-come, first-served basis, leaving some states waiting years to be made whole after a disaster. Baltimore’s needs could both move to the top of the list and also wipe out the money left in the FHWA’s emergency account, pressing Congress into urgent action to replenish the agency’s coffers.

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Maryland could require more than $1 billion to rebuild the Key Bridge, which collapsed on March 26 after it was struck by the massive container ship Dali. But state and federal officials still aren’t sure of the exact needs — 12,000 tons of steel and concrete still lie at the bottom of the murky Patapsco River, and 5,000 tons lie atop the grounded Dali, according to the Army Corps of Engineers.

Federal transportation officials have already given Maryland $60 million in “quick release” funding to divert traffic away from the roadway and assist other highways that are absorbing the nearly 30,000 vehicles that traversed the bridge each day.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/11/baltimore-bridge-collapse-highways/

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Baltimore bridge collapse could wipe out emergency federal highway fund (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Apr 11 OP
Well, they should ask their congress critters why they wont take up the funding bill..... getagrip_already Apr 11 #1
Investing in the bridge replacement will benefit an untold number of people and the economy. twodogsbarking Apr 11 #2
Which is why Republicans are dead set against it durablend Apr 11 #7
ding. this , no . purfffect. AllaN01Bear Apr 11 #12
does the article explain why there is no expected insurance payout? ClaudetteCC Apr 11 #3
Previous threads mahatmakanejeeves Apr 11 #5
You know what would fix this. Another tax cut for billionaires and millionaires. Ray Bruns Apr 11 #4
That's kinda what an "emergency fund" is FOR. Damage from deferred maintenance and decrepitude... TygrBright Apr 11 #6
GOP solution would be tax cuts and deregulation and pull yourself up by the bootstraps IronLionZion Apr 11 #8
This is just wrong. Disaster victims elsewhere suffered due to no fault of their own. Liberty Belle Apr 11 #9
The bridge was part of the Interstate highway system. How much say did Baltimore officials have in its design? mahatmakanejeeves Apr 11 #11
If it's feasible they might want to look at in the long term adding a tunnel as well. cstanleytech Apr 11 #10
There are tunnels around, but elleng Apr 11 #15
Is there any discussion of not allowing ships of that size? MadameButterfly Apr 11 #13
Prevention is not a corporate motivator.... NowsTheTime Apr 11 #14
Emergency fund will be re-payed by the bridge insurance policy PerceptionManagement Apr 11 #16

getagrip_already

(14,987 posts)
1. Well, they should ask their congress critters why they wont take up the funding bill.....
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:09 AM
Apr 11

They all have gop members. With the exception of maybe one or two states, all states have at least one gop rep.

So why not pressure them to release the bill?

twodogsbarking

(9,958 posts)
2. Investing in the bridge replacement will benefit an untold number of people and the economy.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:20 AM
Apr 11

Not investing will hurt many and the economy. Have I oversimplified?

TygrBright

(20,780 posts)
6. That's kinda what an "emergency fund" is FOR. Damage from deferred maintenance and decrepitude...
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:36 AM
Apr 11

...on the other hand, (most of what is 'already in the queue') is indeed "emergency" and may often be disaster related, but would be much better addressed by actually FUNDING maintenance, timely replacement, and remediation to bring infrastructure up to new standards of disaster survivability (in the face of mounting incidence of climate-change-related 'disaster'.)

All of which will also create good jobs, now, in areas that need more of them.

The GOP, of course, has been cheapassing infrastructure since forever, so they can deliver tax giveaways to their owners.

So. Spend the emergency fund where needed. Close a few of those sweet billionaire tax loopholes, actually COLLECT corporate taxes, and we'll be able to both refill the emergency fund AND get on with bringing needed transport infrastructure up to standards required by an increasingly climate-change-affected world.

Problem solved.

wearily,
Bright

IronLionZion

(45,670 posts)
8. GOP solution would be tax cuts and deregulation and pull yourself up by the bootstraps
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:07 AM
Apr 11

but serious answer is the shipping company's insurance should cover some of it. And the bridge itself should have some insurance. So the FHWA fund is paying up front for speed, but it would get reimbursed soon afterwards.

Liberty Belle

(9,540 posts)
9. This is just wrong. Disaster victims elsewhere suffered due to no fault of their own.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:20 AM
Apr 11

Baltimore officials, eager for money from big ships, ignored safety warnings and the need reinforce their bridge supports, which was scheduled but not for a couple of years.

The fire and flood survivors should come first,period.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,764 posts)
11. The bridge was part of the Interstate highway system. How much say did Baltimore officials have in its design?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:43 AM
Apr 11
Baltimore officials, eager for money from big ships, ignored safety warnings and the need reinforce their bridge supports, which was scheduled but not for a couple of years.

Also, cite the source saying that the bridge's supports were scheduled for reinforcement.

Were you referring to the dolphins?

INVESTIGATIONS
Concrete structures meant to protect Baltimore bridge appear unchanged for decades

APRIL 4, 2024 5:13 AM ET
HEARD ON MORNING EDITION
By Chiara Eisner, Caitlin Thompson



The cargo ship Dali sits in the water, surrounded by four concrete dolphins, after running into and collapsing the Francis Scott Key Bridge on March 26, 2024, in Baltimore.
Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images

Seconds before the container ship Dali hit the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore last week and tore it down, killing six construction workers, it sailed past a structure designed to prevent that kind of disaster.

Those structures — known as dolphins — are circular concrete constructions located near a bridge's central supports. Vessels are meant to crash into them if they veer off track in the shipping channel, diverting them from collision with the bridge. Four such dolphins remain intact in the Patapsco River. The one the Dali narrowly missed is located on the right side of the ship, and is dwarfed in size by the vessel which appears to be more than 15 times as long.

Experts said if the Baltimore bridge had been outfitted with more robust collision-prevention structures, it may not have been struck. Although Maryland has invested in repairing the Key Bridge, records reviewed by NPR indicate the dolphins have not been substantially changed since they were built in the 1970s.

A more robust protection system would have given the Dali a better chance of hitting the dolphins before the vessel collided with the bridge, said Roberto Leon, a professor of structural engineering at Virginia Tech. ... "They were very, very small," said Leon. "You needed more, and bigger ones, is really the point."

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The bridge was designed in the early '70s and opened in 1977. The Dali was three times the size of container ships in use when the bridge opened but half the size of the largest container ships in use today.

Thanks for writing.

cstanleytech

(26,364 posts)
10. If it's feasible they might want to look at in the long term adding a tunnel as well.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 11:28 AM
Apr 11

At least then there would be a reliable backup.

elleng

(131,429 posts)
15. There are tunnels around, but
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:56 PM
Apr 11

I've read that use of tunnels not entirely feasible, for one thing, SIZE of the things carried, cargo, and hazardous nature of some of it.

MadameButterfly

(1,118 posts)
13. Is there any discussion of not allowing ships of that size?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 01:04 PM
Apr 11

i read that only a handful of ports in the world accept ships of this size. I have to wonder if the cost savings of large ships pays for accidents like this, plus the increased safety measures required by them.

Somebody made a wrong calculation in allowing these ships ahead of improved dolphins. Perhaps it takes a disaster to get people to take appropriate action.

16. Emergency fund will be re-payed by the bridge insurance policy
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:18 PM
Apr 11

The feds will require it and maryland has already accepted.

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