Saying prosecutors should focus on Antifa, judge frees white supremacist in beating
Source: usa today
Will Carless April 8, 2024
In his sentencing memo Thursday, U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney made it clear why he was letting Tyler Laube off lightly.
It wasnt just because of what Laube did or didnt do the defendant had already confessed to beating a journalist at a 2017 Southern California rally and pleaded guilty to violating riot laws as part of a white-supremacist gang.
Laube deserved a light sentence, Carney said, because prosecutors should have focused on leftist groups.
In a 22-page memo, Carney repeatedly said prosecutors have ignored violence committed by Antifa and instead focused on targeting people like Laube Trump supporters and members of the far-right.
Sentencing Mr. Laube to additional incarceration would only increase the disparity between his punishment and the lack of punishment (and prosecution) members of far-left groups who have committed the same violent conduct received, Carney wrote. The sentence: time served, 35 days, rather than the six months prosecutors had sought.
The same day Laube received his light sentence at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana, the largest-ever prosecution of members of Antifa in American history was going to trial just 89 miles away. .......................................
Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/04/08/judge-cormac-carney-tyler-laube-sentence/73220283007/
A judge gave a light sentence to a white supremacist because he thought prosecutors should be focusing on Antifa instead.
Is this what our justice system has come to??
Politics? What happened to #LawAndOrder
#Fresh
#DemsUnited
Link to tweet
A pro-Trump rally participant wears a U.S. flag during a march in support of then-President Donald Trump in Huntington Beach, California, March 25, 2017. Beatings at the rally led to charges that several men violated federal laws against rioting and conspiracy to riot.
Turbineguy
(37,364 posts)who stormed the Capitol to protest winning the election.
Everybody knows that!
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)He should be ousted.
DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)angrychair
(8,733 posts)Thrown out on appeal to be re-sentenced
patphil
(6,206 posts)His job is to apply the law, and not let his personal beliefs interfere with his duty as a judge.
What other judges in other courts do is not relevant.
onetexan
(13,057 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,035 posts)His speculations about prosecutor activity are biased and not based on fact, I am sure (have not read the 22 page sentencing statement).
I was on a jury once for trafficking and possession of cocaine. We found him not guilty of trafficking because he was just driving around in a known drug area, no evidence of selling. And though I loathed to find him guilty of possession because I personally believe small amounts of drugs should not be illegal, I voted to convict because it was the law. I didn't like the law, but I had to obey it in court. That's how it is supposed to work.
BaronChocula
(1,581 posts)Top US judge in LA steps down over remark called insensitive
https://apnews.com/general-news-862c15ea2a0e6a5a8da2c23c20213600
riversedge
(70,299 posts)hueymahl
(2,510 posts)You mean, the anti-facists are more threatening than the racist criminal? Interesting.
Marcus IM
(2,222 posts)Not to mention America's history of fascism and fascist regime support (with some equivocation as a reaction to the support of said fascists), and long term opposition to progressivism and democratic social policies.
I mean, the US is the only developed nation that has not ratified the progressive UDHR or the progressive ERA, while many "third world" nations have ratified both also.
America is a victim of its own deliberate retarded development.
LeftInTX
(25,543 posts)Trial begins for alleged antifa members accused of riot conspiracy in Pacific Beach
The defense played videos recorded by one of the prosecution's listed victims, a man who live-streamed his interactions with a group of people at the protest.
The man was punched and pepper sprayed by a group of people, but defense attorneys say before that happened, the man declared on his stream, "This is going to be good content," that he was "going into combat mode" and that some of the antifa crowd members "are going to lose some teeth."
After several insults and yelling, a brawl ensues. One person swung a skateboard at the man, who later says, "I purposely did that to trigger him" in regard to the insults he directed at the crowd.
Another group of people who were allegedly pepper sprayed by Lightfoot and beaten by others were armed with a knife and a gun that turned out to be a replica, the defense attorney said.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/politics/2024/04/02/trial-begins-for-alleged-antifa-members-accused-of-riot-conspiracy-in-pacific-beach
I'm not agreeing with this judge, because I believe the judge is being unfair.
But hiding under a banner of "antifascist" while committing crimes should not give a criminal a free pass. These 9 antifa members plead guilty to riot conspiracy. What if you were accidentally clubbed and targeted by them...would you like it? Two weeks ago, one member received a 32 month sentence.
SAN DIEGO (FOX 5/KUSI) One of the remaining defendants connected to a 2021 clash in Pacific Beach between supporters of former President Donald Trump and an anti-fascist group pleaded guilty to changes in court Monday morning.
Luis Francisco Mora, a 32-year-old Los Angeles resident, entered the new plea to two charges assault and conspiracy to riot about a week before the beginning of trial after reaching a deal with prosecutors. He previously pleaded not guilty.
Under the deal, Mora accepted a 32-month sentence for his role in the melee at a counter-protest to the so-called Patriot March in Pacific Beach on Jan. 9, 2021, where he tear-gassed a woman. He would have faced a nine-year stint behind bars and a $10,000 fine if convicted by a jury.
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/demonstrator-in-2021-pacific-beach-riot-changes-plea-ahead-of-trial/
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:24 AM - Edit history (1)
It's a school of thought, not an organization. Calling someone a "member of antifa" is as absurd as calling someone a "member of conservatism" or a "member of white supremacy".
Or maybe a "member of internet trollery".
Mr. Mustard 2023
(116 posts)....so I won't waste my time reading it. Fox and many of it's affiliates are known proven liars so I already know they're not trustworthy. You see, they have to lie because their positions are unpopular and often untrue. You'd think a sober adult would change after knowing their positions are false or don't work, but there's power and money involved and those liars can't compete on a level, fair playing field.
Oh no, they have to lie and cheat to maintain their positions in society.
Hang out with liars, get branded a liar.
LeftInTX
(25,543 posts)There are quite a few articles about the case.
Isn't San Diego a blue county???
Here are the DA's own words:
Grand Jury Indicts 11 Defendants in Connection with Violent Pacific Beach Antifa Incident
https://www.sdcda.org/content/office/newsroom/tempDownloads/a1fe1c69-f3ca-4292-afa6-9b72565877f5_PB%20Grand%20Jury%20News%20Release%206-7-2022.pdf
San Diego County District Attorney Summer Stephan announced today that a criminal grand jury has
returned indictments against 11 individuals in connection with violent criminal acts committed during a
demonstration in Pacific Beach on January 9, 2021. Charges handed down by the grand jury against the
defendants include conspiracy to commit a riot, use of tear gas, assault with a deadly weapon, and
assault by means likely to produce great bodily injury. In lieu of a preliminary hearing, the grand jury
heard testimony over 13 days and delivered the unsealed indictment on May 23, 2022. The defendants
have been indicted on 29 felony counts.
Here are a few articles from the San Diego Union Tribune:
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2024-04-02/trial-opens-in-first-of-its-kind-antifa-conspiracy-case-arising-from-pacific-beach-political-clash
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2024-02-14/counterprotester-gets-2-year-sentence-in-anti-fascist-conspiracy-prosecution
Here is another article;
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/demonstrator-involved-in-violent-2021-pacific-beach-protest-sentenced/509-1b28b587-626b-4def-8495-5a9163c37a2e
There are/were 11 defendants involved. Nine of them received plea bargains. One received a 32 month sentence. One received a two year sentence. One received a four year sentence.
A trial is currently ongoing for the two who did not plea.
The state of California prosecuted the antifascists. I didn't prosecute them.
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I feel like they got fairly steep penalties. They got worse penalties than most of the Jan 6th insurrectionists. Hey, Q anon shaman is out of prison.
It's a state case and the federal judge has no business commenting about state cases, plea deals or injecting his personal opinion. Also, they all got steep penalties and the federal judge let this guy go???
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Anyway, when I see threads about antifa, I often see comments about how they "don't exist" or how they are WWII soldiers. Many antifa are anarchists. The way to be antifascist is to get involved in government.
"I can hit them because they are fascist and I'm antifascist" isn't a very good defense.
NanaCat
(1,243 posts)It's purple, at best. And that's only within the last decade or so. Before that, it was deep red.
Even now, it's nearly even in terms of which party holds elected office.
GreenWave
(6,766 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)Grins
(7,228 posts)And let that judge know it!!
Id tell him I was filing charges against him and get him removed from the court; with expletives not deleted.
hadEnuf
(2,212 posts)Not a left-leaning group.
This Fox news right-wing asshole of a judge should be removed.
LeftInTX
(25,543 posts)The flag is the Anitifa symbol and this is one of their members trial.
That doesn't excuse the judge however. Being a member of a group is not a crime. If a group collectively committed crimes, then they deserve to be punished. In this case, Antifa got plea deals and were sentenced to prison for beating up Trump supporters.
Trial begins for alleged antifa members accused of riot conspiracy in Pacific Beach
In her opening statement, Harvey outlined 11 "separate acts of violence" allegedly perpetrated by Lightfoot, White, and other antifa members, who the prosecutor said converged on Pacific Beach in tactical gear and armed with weapons such as baseball bats, pepper spray and tasers.
Harvey said both Lightfoot and White pepper sprayed various people and either took part in or instigated incidents in which people were physically beaten by antifa members.
The prosecutor said the defendants "came to San Diego with a number of co-conspirators with the intention to shut down the speech and the assembly of a Patriot group for the simple fact that they didn't agree with their beliefs."
White's attorney, Curtis Briggs, and Lightfoot's attorney, John Hamasaki, argued their clients sought to defend counterprotesters from pro-Trump members who were trying to stir up violence.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/politics/2024/04/02/trial-begins-for-alleged-antifa-members-accused-of-riot-conspiracy-in-pacific-beach
This does not excuse this particular federal judge. The antifa group consisted of 11 defendents and there is no reason to even compare any type of group period. Judges are supposed to be impartial and not ruled by whether they are members of certain group, unless the group itself is a criminal organization.
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Can a person really join just by adopting an internet handle that includes the word?
LeftInTX
(25,543 posts)Bottom line: They got in a riot and assaulted people.
But to say that "Antifa" doesn't exist is not true. They were founded as a political party in Germany in 1932.
And here's a modern pic with their flags and gear. Ask them how to join!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)LeftInTX
(25,543 posts)Obviously the California State prosecutor, (not the federal judge) thinks they are real. There are numerous articles about them. Why would there be articles about something "that doesn't exist".
I've shown you pictures that they exist.
I'm not interested in joining them, but I've seen them in my town. They're one of the marshals at the International Women's Day parade along with the Brown Berets. They are also pro-communist here. One has the antifa flag, the other carries the hammer and sickle flag.
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Prove non-existence?
LeftInTX
(25,543 posts)Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Your linked Wikipedia articles describe both 1930's German Antifa and modern American Antifa as "movements", and not organizations. Organizations have membership rosters, movements do not.
It's like the difference between "white supremacy" and "Proud Boys". The Proud Boys is an organization. It has members. "White supremacy" is a school of thought. It does not have members, only adherents.
Anyone who has even remotely studied logic knows that proving a negative is well nigh impossible. Besides, it's the person making the positive claim who has the burden of proof. That's you.
You're the one saying it's an organization; ergo, you are the one who needs to provide evidence supporting that assertion. Listing some pictures of supposed antifa organizations isn't evidence of an organization; that only shows some people with banners. Listing court cases against people who subscribe to the ideology is not evidence of an organization, only of subscribing to an ideology.
Organizations have names and members with clear guidelines of how to join or who can join. It is now incumbent upon you to name the organizations that are antifa, and links to how membership works.
Blackjackdavey
(178 posts)And the t shirt too! Because I am anti-fascist. Unfortunately I've never been invited to any meetings or parties. I was a member of the United States Army though. Does that count?
Curious, what gang does the rebel flag/tshirt/sticker etc group belong too?
ExciteBike66
(2,372 posts)His decision is a blatant disregard for public safety and is based on cases and facts that are not properly before him in court.
Aristus
(66,451 posts)Marcuse
(7,506 posts)PSPS
(13,614 posts)magicarpet
(14,167 posts)This time directly from the judges bench.
Yes,... didn't you see all the Anti-Fa flags at the US Capitol - Jan6 too ?
bluestarone
(17,027 posts)Hope they can appeal this BULLSHIT!!
pfitz59
(10,389 posts)to support their divisive agenda.
GiqueCee
(634 posts)... should be removed from the bench, by force if necessary, and immediately disbarred for life.
What flaming fucking asshole.
riversedge
(70,299 posts).........The federal judges strong words and clear political bent are as unusual as they are uninformed, legal experts told USA TODAY.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)He certainly doesn't deserve to wear the robe. All he is doing is promoting more violence. If there is no justice in the court, people will try to get it themselves. What a fool.
Ocelot II
(115,831 posts)Think. Again.
(8,367 posts)marble falls
(57,181 posts)rpannier
(24,337 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)rpannier
(24,337 posts)That's my understanding
onenote
(42,753 posts)My understanding is that the prosecution can appeal a sentence on the grounds it was too lenient only if the sentence is based on a legal error, such as ignoring a mandatory minimum.
Maybe it could be challenged as being arbitrary and based on clear factual error, but it would be highly unusual for such an appeal to be brought and I would be surprised if the prosecution challenges it.
littlemissmartypants
(22,777 posts)Laube is one of four defendants in the long-running prosecution of members of the Rise Above Movement, a now-disbanded white supremacist fight club that would regularly show up at protests in California elsewhere and get into fights with leftists.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/04/08/judge-cormac-carney-tyler-laube-sentence/73220283007/
Propublica did an exposé on the "Rise Above" movement. They are a bunch of really bad dudes. Criminal thugs is the best description I can conjure at the moment.
Someone needs to check the judge's hard drive because he's giving off a really strong nefarious behavior in his personal life vibe.
In this 2018 documentary, FRONTLINE and ProPublica investigate a neo-Nazi group that has actively recruited inside the U.S. military.
?si=gRpzKFoeXygT-qRh
underpants
(182,876 posts)czarjak
(11,289 posts)Most likely.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)That is worse than stand back and stand by.
Did the judge also give him an AR15 before he left the courtroom ???
thucythucy
(8,086 posts)The type who loathed Social Democrats and so went out of their way toi give violent Nazis a break.
And we all know how that ended...
I hope the journalist can sue the scumbag who assaulted him.
oasis
(49,401 posts)Supreme Court may have 2 or 3 seats that need filling during Trump's "final" term.
Ford_Prefect
(7,918 posts)onenote
(42,753 posts)czarjak
(11,289 posts)Don't forget BLM. Bad hombres.
ck4829
(35,090 posts)wolfie001
(2,264 posts)This is so wrong on many levels. Blatant pro-trump racist judge. Unbelievable.
Ray Bruns
(4,110 posts)The Unmitigated Gall
(3,829 posts)Facts not in evidence cited in a what about these guys diatribe? Meanwhile, a dangerous thug is freed upon the populace and very real facts of his criminality are ignored.
This judge is a menace.
IronLionZion
(45,523 posts)so the lighter sentence is really letting Antifa get away with it. The best way to punish Antifa is to throw the book at white supremacists.
There was a time when conservatives complained about "activist judges".
Passages
(159 posts)Cha
(297,589 posts)no judge he's an White Supremist Activist.