Jeb Bush In 2016?

[condoleeza]

Source: http://nation.foxnews.com/jeb-bush/2012/11/23/jeb-

Jeb Bush, brother and son of former Bush presidents, is said to be mulling a presidential run in 2016, according to the New York Times.

The Times cites Bush supporters and friends in its report that the former Florida governor is "weighing financial and family considerations" for a future run.

Though Bush remains popular in Florida and has garnered national attention with his support for immigration and education reform, there is lingering concern that the persistent unpopularity of the last Bush to hold the White House, his brother President George W. Bush, could hinder his bid.

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Just fucking shoot me now, won't these people ever go away?

[graham4anything]

1. It takes a Clinton to defeat a Bush. Hillary 2016 will be #45.

I put a similiar thread up earlier yesterday, but Hillary will creme Jeb.

Though he is a formidable candidate and will attempt to use the education issue, and the fact that his wife is Mexican as an asset to run

also running as a supposed "Sane" centrist republican as opposed to the far right loons that run the party.

Hillary will romp. I predict Hillary to get 400-450 electoral votes, though I fear Texas may not go blue if Jeb runs.

[davidpdx]

11. I agree a Clinton/Bush match would be interesting

I do disagree that Clinton would win that many EVs.

Assuming she won all the states this year and she flipped Indian and North Carolina back (24EV) which puts her at 358.

Assuming she flipped Missouri and Arkansas she'd be at 374.

The question is where the other 26 to 76 EVs would come from. After that you are talking about flipping a deep south red state, midwest state, mountain state, or the only state left in the southwest which is Arizona.

[movonne]

78. We need new blood in the white house..bushes and

clintons...it is like a dynasty..What after hillary ..chelsea and the other younger bushes..

[davidpdx]

83. Well I supported Obama way before the primaries began

So I would definitely be watching to see who intends to run and then decide who to back.

[NorthCarolina]

94. I agree, we don't need a monarchy

even if it's divided between 2 families. I expect new blood. New LIBERAL blood.

[jerseyjack]

21. Can anyone who even calls himself "sane" win a repuke primary?

[Ter]

34. Romney was the sane one in 2012

Did you see their primary? Santorum!

[pangaia]

53. Sane?

Surely you jest. :&gt )
He's a sociopath..

[SWTORFanatic]

102. No, Huntsman was the sane one

[Texin]

32. Hillary will be nearly 70 years old then...

it's not an insurmountable impediment, but the role of SOS has been grueling physically on her and a run for the presidency might not be on her agenda. Just sayin'.

[olddad56]

64. She won't be any older that Ronnie Ray-gun was, and he is the poster boy for Republican politics.

he wasn't that good but if you compare him to Warren Harding, Cal Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Ike, Nixon, Gerald Ford, and the Bush Crime family, he doesn't seem so bad. And you have to keep in mind that he was a democrat until 1962.

Hillary would be better than any republican president in at least the last century.

[maddiemom]

85. Whoa, back up. You're saying Reagan was a better president than Ike?

Even the paranoid Nixon was undoubtedly brighter and gave us the EPA. Are you basing this purely on charm? And I speak as a Democrat.

[Mass]

33. Obviously, a Bush-Clinton election would be a great sign of the vibrant democracy in this country.

I think she could be a great president, but so could others. If we reduced our leaders to a few family names (include Kennedy in there), we are slowly going to an oligarchy.

[JackRiddler]

62. Slowly?

When was this country not an oligarchy? For about 4 years in the 1860s and maybe 10 in the 1930s to 1940s? For a few glorious imagined minutes in the 1960s?

We are in agreement - enough of this crew. Okay, Obama was going to be neoliberal and imperialist lite, but did he really have to bring back half the Clinton crew?

[Left Coast2020]

71. We've had enough of the Bush crime family

The dumb one is lucky he's not in a fucking prison cell in the Hague. But stranger things have happened.

[BlueMan Votes]

80. "slowly" going to be an oligarchy...?

i'm pretty sure that were already there.

[antigop]

44. There will be a Democratic primary in 2016, not a coronation. n/t

[antigop]

45. Hillary lost the primary in 2008 because people tried to shove her nomination down our throats. n/t

[graham4anything]

47. That is not why she did not prevail. She would however have beaten McCain had she won the nom.

She had the perfect strategy to win, against what she thought were her challengers.
she had not expected President Obama to run, and once he ran, he took the very voters she needed to win against the other candidates.

As I wrote on a different board in 2006-7, before President Obama got in the race, outlining how she would run and win, step by step (with many naysayers saying she would never enter the race, that she denied it then, etc.) and in effect, that precise strategy I wrote of at that time was how President Obama ran and won.

She had it won and it was a genius plan, but President Obama's surprise entry waylaid it and he used it and won.

He is term limited to not run, and with his 100% blessing, she will defeat the repulblican and prior, will win the nomination. Her coming hints will keep out most contenders who are not attempting to be #2(VP) and she would easily cream the remaining ones.

Like it or not, the system is set up to insure it, much the same way Jeb on the other side saw some recent changes all to benefit him.

Again, she only lost 2008 because of President Obama and her credentials this time are so much better, especially to President Obama's voters.
Does anyone doubt he (and even more important Michelle), will endorse her at the proper time?

Isn't it time for a female president?

[DonCoquixote]

55. Isn't it time for a female president?

Not one that is eager to "obliterate" Iran, and not one that has done a lot to shove the country to the right. I will vote for her if she wins the nomination, but I will be holding my nose all the way.

[antigop]

63. A Democratic primary will decide whose time it is. nt

[Pool Hall Ace]

86. I have nothing against SoS Clinton

but she is hardly the only female in town when it comes to Presidential candidates. And it's never truly anybody's "time."

[DonCoquixote]

92. I agree

and for the record, IMHO, Hillary at her right-leaning, hippie-punching, war-hawk WORST is far better than either Cory "I am the banker's choice" Booker, or Rahm "Keep Medical care expensive because my brother makes money at it" Emmanuel.

However, the smell of anointing oil is already in the room, especially as some people cannot wait to pepper DU with "SEE, if you Obamabots only let Hillary go first, we would have gotten everything and Obama would not have been such a mediocre president!"

Come on you PUMAS, you know who you are, and you know you have been practicing that song for years, like some American Idol contestant waiting to be on stage.

[Pool Hall Ace]

93. I just realized

you were quoting the previous poster with "Isn't it time for a female President?"

Sorry!

[dflprincess]

98. Isn't it time (long past) for someone from the Democratic wing of the party?

I'm sick of the DLC/Blue Dog/Third Way (whatever they're calling themselves now) corporatists.

[antigop]

99. +1000 n/t

[HughBeaumont]

100. As long as corporations still run the media, we'll NEVER see a progressive in the Oval Office.

Faux and CNBC are Dedicated Far-Right Republican Networks. CNN is Republican Lite.

Most of the others are DLC-Third Way champions. If they weren't, we'd be hearing far more serious discussions on Universal Health Care without the words "creeping" or "socialism" being thrown in for good measure.

With that influence, what chance does a progressive have?

[Auntie Bush]

56. +100 nt

[antigop]

57. What part of --"THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY" - don't you understand? n/t

[antigop]

59. Yes, it is...Dems didn't vote for her because her supporters tried to shove her nomination

down our throats...and because she sold out American workers with her interview on outsourcing.

[antigop]

60. So keep shoving and keep alienating. THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY. n/t

[24601]

90. I'm not sure shoving things down throats is a good phrase to use when discussing the Clintons.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

52. +1 nt

[David__77]

54. I'd prefer some new blood.

The Democratic Party needs renewal. Her 2008 campaign did not give me hope that she is the person who could lead that.

[antigop]

61. +1000. We don't need someone who thinks there are "advantages" to outsourcing. n/t

[raging_moderate]

79. Hey everybody!! Did you hear??

President Obama won the 2012 election, and will get to start his second term about two months from now!

[zonkers]

2. I couldn't think of a better way to motivate Democrats than Jeb Bush on the ballot.

If Repubicans think that the Latino vote is a lock just because Jeb has "little brown ones", they are in for a surprise. The Bush brand is damaged beyond repair, IMO.

[Joe Bacon]

69. You got that right.

I seriously doubt Jebthro will get through the primaries, since the teabaggers will be out in force to take him out. Just wait till the others in the GOP Clown Car attack him. Santorum, Rubio, Perry, Newt, Jindal, Nikki Haley, Mr 999, Bachman, Steve King, Walker...If you thought the 2012 GOP debates were a Monty Python skit, just wait for 2016!

[zonkers]

91. The Repubican Party is in the wrong biz, they need to produce more TV comedy.

[MrSlayer]

2. I am shocked to my core.

No one could have seen this coming.

[AtheistCrusader]

4. Should I laugh, or be worried here?

[JohnnyRingo]

5. I'll never believe the GOP will nominate him

Besides the fact the Tea Baggers think he's a liberal loon, and the mainstream republicans see him as too wishy washy, his brother ruined his chances of election, and the GOP knows it.

[Volaris]

17. The Baggers thought Romeny was a liberal lon, too...

my guess would be that they just hate enough to not care about actual principles, they just want to win. They will do whatever they have to do to see America punished for electing Obama, TWICE.

But you're right, 8 years distance from President Jr. won't be enough.

[dkf]

6. You never hear much about his wife.

And what happened to his daughter?

[DallasNE]

7. She Has Managed To Stay Out Of Recent News

Some of her background. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2003-08-09/news/0308090376_1_noelle-bush-drug-court-program-jeb

You can be sure this would come up because of the special treatment of the rich and powerful. Note how she beat a crack charge because witnesses refused to testify and were allowed to get away with it. Interesting how easy it was for drugs to get inside the drug treatment facility and how forgiving the courts were to these drug violations, which have now been wiped from the record.

[busterbrown]

8. What the fuck do people mean when they say he is for education reform.

I'll tell you. He wants students to be taught based on test results only. Which means teachers will
spend their time preparing their students for specific tests which will minimize critical
analyzation and thinking skills which will hinder their ability to solve problems beyond filling
out correct numbers on the test.

He is also a proponent of school privatization which is turning out to be so dangerous.
Our country is just beginning to access the damage done to country by the college privatization
industry. A total rip off with tens of thousands left strapped with insurmountable debt.

Finally, give me a fucking poor school district with the same amount of tax dollars per
person as a school in a wealthy area and I'll have the school running as well as any other
school in the country. More money means better teachers, better technology, better
administration policies, better lab equipment, less students per teachers, Better after school
programs and healthier food. Yea when it comes to better schools, its all about the money.

[srichardson]

16. Right on the money! n/t

[lunatica]

20. It all depends on how you define 'reform'

[7wo7rees]

30. We will use it to beat him with.

http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2011/10/10/jeb-bush-rupert-murdoch-bound-sf

Anti-union, end of tenure, teach to the test, FoxNews-approved content, virtual schools.

[alphafemale]

9. He's going to change his name and undergo plastic surgery on his face?

There's no fucking way.

And if he'd have been the one other than his idiot big brother?

We'd have been better off.

Because he IS a better and smarter man...but No.

America certainly knows to stay out of the Bushes by now.
.

[Chemisse]

10. I think the taint his brother cast on him will have faded quite a bit by then.

Keeping W hidden away has let people start to forget.

He may be a formidable opponent.

[Volaris]

18. that they have started to forget, will be rectified by every elected (and want-to-be-elected)...

Democratic politician in the country, least of all Obama, who, after spending 8 years cleaning up that idiot's messes, could expond on the topic on behalf of the nominee like few others could. And yoou can bet your ass he will do exactly that.

didn't care enough to prevent 9/11
WMD--not there
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Bin Laden--NOT killed, he didn't care
Katrina--ummmm, yeah, it STILL speaks for itself
Political Purging of the Justice Department.....
Valerie Plame...
Deregulation ,Economic Crash, and first round of BankBailouts

There's at LEAST one scandal per year that MorAn and Co. were in office that would have gotten other people threatened with impeachment...

And that's just the EASY stuff.

No, I PROMISE, people will NOT forget how bad it was under the last Bush Presidency. Jeb is screwed.

(ON EDIT) Unless, he wants to go out in Public and state, for the record, "Yeah, my little Brother is an idiot, and the whole family knows it and has spent most of our lives trying to clean up his messes, so, at least in that respect, I have a lot of empathy for President Obama. I know how hard it can be."

Throwing Jr. and almost everything he did under the bus for all to see is the ONLY way he's going to get out of losing huge.

[Chemisse]

28. I hope you're right. And I guess we'll see how deeply he is willing to sell his soul,

By throwing the family embarrassment in front of the bus - which will be telling in itself.

[Volaris]

81. No kidding. How much of a shelfish, craven asshole do you have to be

to sacrifice your own brother for the sake of personal ambition...
On the other hand, if he doesn't do that, we will all say hes just ignoring history because it's easier for him to do so, the shelfish bastard lol. (and, yeah, I already KNOW we would say something to that effect). So he's kinda screwed either way...I guess there's some comfort in that, at least...

[Samantha]

27. True, but Jeb's own actions during election 2000 will never be forgotten

by 51 million Americans whose votes were discounted by that Unconstitutional Supreme Court decision. That was the first time my vote was negated in this Country and I am still furious about it. I do not believe that most of the 51 million people who voted for Al Gore will forgive Jeb Bush for his enabling.

And then there is the fact that we are still suffering from the consequences of the Bush (George W. Bush*) legacy. This recession which some economists have called a depression can be traced as to its depths by the harm George W. Bush did during the 8 years he occupied the Oval Office. And Jeb helped him get there.

The late great Molly Ivins warned us about George W. Bush.* She said prior to election 2000, Bush* had tanked the state of Texas' finances during his reign as governor there. She followed that up with a statement that now he was coming to Washington to do the same to the Country. How right she was.

Sam

Sam

[adieu]

37. Not if we can help it

GW Bush's legacy is still negatively affecting us. We should not stop pointing the finger at him until all the mess he created have been fixed up. I'm putting that at a 30 year plan, starting at 2009. So basically, after 2040, the Bush name is back to normal. But that doesn't mean we should be electing any Bush's. We should just not trash the name by then.

[Katashi_itto]

12. Repukes would run Hitler if they thought it gave them a chance.

Jeb will run and the Dim-Witted teabaggers will fall in line because Fox will tell them how great he is.

[MrModerate]

13. I'm sure he's been thinking about it for decades . . .

But aside from his inescapable bushiness, he's just not that impressive a person or a politician. The Meh factor would be pretty high.

OTOH, given the thiness of the 'Lican field, he's got to be considered a front runner.

[Le Taz Hot]

14. No more dynasties!

Bush or Clinton. If we wanted a monarchy we would have one.

[antigop]

46. Some people evidently think there will be a coronation in 2016. n/t

[DFW]

15. Remember 2012

The Republicans nominated Romney because they couldn't think of anyone else to nominate. Huntsman might have been a formidable opponent, but he wasn't rich enough or malleable enough, and got nowhere. He may even have had a conscience hidden somewhere, and that is a BIG no-no for Republicans.

So, besides Rubio and Jeb, who do they have for 2016? Rand Paul? I don't think so. Well, there's always Romney, of course, but I think this time, he'll have had enough.

Despite her obvious qualifications for the job, Hillary will be 69 by election day, 2016. I doubt that she would want to run, and the thought of having to run a 69 year old against a youthful sleazeball who looks good on magazine covers (Rubio) is scary considering the media-addicted electorate in front of whom she'd be competing.

Right after Obama's inauguration in 2009, Howard Dean said he would never even consider running after Obama's second term was over. He said he thought he was too old, and that Obama was already old enough (!). We should be looking for some wise-beyond-his/her-years 40-something who do both jobs: the campaigning, and the presidency, once won. They'll make mistakes because they'll be new, but they'll learn.

In other words, in terms of age, we should looking for another Bill Clinton (or another Barack Obama).

[tarheelsunc]

26. Huntsman may not be as rich as Romney, but he's not far off

The only reason he never had a chance is because he is sane and open to compromising. He's not the type of guy who would be Grover Norquist's empty suit with working digits like Romney.

[LeftInTX]

41. Jon Huntsman's dad is worth 9 billion

Jon Huntsman Jr, the presidential candidate, net worth is 16-71 million.
(I got odd those numbers from a Politico headline)

[adieu]

38. Corey Booker

Jennifer Granholm
Al Franken
Alan Grayson
Dennis Kucinich
David Chiu

[amandabeech]

42. Jennifer Granholm was born Canadian. She is a naturalized citizen and

thus unqualified for the U.S. Presidency.

[condoleeza]

39. I agree on the age thing for Hillary

She comes from a fairly long lived family, Dad lived to be 82, Mom 92, but I cannot imagine that she would have either the stamina or desire to put herself through the rigors of 2 campaigns @ nearly 69 and 73 years old.

[Schema Thing]

75. Julian Castro has been Governor of TX for two years, his brother Joaquin a congressman for four...

They run as a Pres/VP team and Texas goes blue along with all the states Obama got.


Dynasty baby, Dynasty!!!

[DFW]

82. The title of a well-known Aerosmith song comes to mind.....

[lunatica]

19. He'll have to deal with the pissed off teabag party in the primaries

We already saw what they did to their dangling and jerking marionettes in the recent primaries, and the teabaggers were in a pretty good mood this time around. But President Obama's re-election has made them mad.

I'd love to see Jebbie try to take them on when they're really pissed. I don't know whether to shake in terror or laugh hysterically in anticipation.

[pasto76]

22. Bush 41 was one term pres; Bush 43 destroyed the economy and his successor lost big time

betting a dollar that americans have had enough of the bush family

[eringer]

23. Too late Jeb -- Your brother killed any chance of a nomination

The thought of you being president opens up many wounds. The possibility that George W. would be wandering the halls of the white house again makes my skin crawl. Give it up. You are done politically. Take care of you mom and dad and be content with that.

[Bjorn Against]

24. I sometimes read comments on the far right blogs to see what the opposition is saying

I can tell you that Jeb Bush is not popular at all with Glenn Beck's fans, they all think he is too liberal. I can not figure out for the life of me why they consider him to be liberal, but they are very determined to make sure he does not get the nomination. If he can't win the far-right and the Bush name is toxic to anyone who is not far right then I don't see how he could possibly win.

[wickerwoman]

66. His wife is Hispanic.

Never underestimate their racism and stupidity.

[BlueNoteSpecial]

25. Insert hysterical laugh right here...

...and please, oh please continue, gubnah!!!

[Turbineguy]

29. He'll never win the primary.

He's not crazy/incompetent enough.

[booksenkatz]

31. Cockroaches, Twinkies, and Bushes will survive Armageddon. NT

[Kablooie]

35. Jeb is their only hope because...

Since 1928, the Republicans have not won a presidential election without either Richard Nixon or a member of the Bush Family on its ticket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election

As long as a Bush remains in play the Republicans have a fighting chance.

[hrmjustin]

36. NO not another Bush please.

[cyclezealot]

40. Stale

Isn't the country capable of generating some new leadership.

[Slit Skirt]

43. this should not be a surprise to anyone...and we must work not to change election laws

[gtar100]

48. It is sick, isn't it? That these self-serving leeches just never stop plotting their take-over.

They want power, they don't care about a vision of a better world for everyone. It's all about power and serving their own small circle of interests. They just don't see the benefit of a world free of poverty and violence. The Bush family is a prime example of this sickness.

Liberals and progressives need to figure out a way to keep these reprobates out of public office. If we actually prosecuted corporate criminals for the damage they do, it would be a start. But we don't even do that, at least not now. We are not in a safe place by a long shot. This last election was a battle, not the war.

[MotorCityMan]

49. If there is a kind and benevolent god....

No.

[Fire Walk With Me]

50. No thank you! :D

[TeamPooka]

51. ou know the old saying? The definition of insanity is to keep...

electing Bushes into the White house.

[DonCoquixote]

58. as much as Hillary scares me

I will say there are two people we need to keep OFF THE BALLOT: Booker and Rahm. Those two are GOP in sheep's clothing.

[olddad56]

65. I wonder if Bill would have campaigned so hard for Obama, if he didn't think that

it was in Hillary's best interest that he do so.

[silvershadow]

68. He might have done so period, as a preemptive strike. Good point. nt

[stlsaxman]

67. bring it, motherf*cker!

no way Jeb can get it.

[asjr]

70. It costs us taxpayers too much money to keep those

White House bushes fertilized. We don't need more.

[CountAllVotes]

72. All I can say is one thing ...

consider the souce! OMG

[antigop]

74. good point. n.t

[Kablooie]

73. Jenna Bush in 2016!!

Oh wait.
She's not 35 yet.
Gotta be 35 to run for president.

Well, in a few years...

JENNA BUSH!!

[mzteaze]

76. I'm Thinking

Jeb's chance has passed. They might try to get the Bush 2.0s (the kids) ready.

The Bush name is still mud and will be for a while.

[Schema Thing]

77. ick... I'll finally have met a president, and it will be Jeb??? :(

I worked with the Governor for the 2nd time just last week.

[RoccoR5955]

84. Read my lips!

NO NEW BUSHES!

[wordpix]

87. run, Jebbie, run - we can bring up your BFEE ties, not to mention your illegal activities in FL

destroying wetlands in favor of developments and the like

[tomp]

88. surprise!!! not.

ok, so let's start with his role in the election theft of 2000 and move on to his role in 9/11.

[sofa king]

89. I'm telling you all right now: he's going to steal it.

It's all about the Presidential records. President Obama is not permitted to throw open the books on the GWB administration, but the next President can.

If that were to happen, the people of the GWB Administration would be opened up to an outpouring of evidence in an array of serious crimes--violating the NARA Act is one obvious one for which they are clearly going to be liable, but it is probably also the least serious. There is no statute of limitations on murder, for example.

GWB himself protected his father's administration by putting most of the Bush the Smarter documents under lock and key. Jeb has to do the same, or the framework of their lifetimes of criminal behavior would be exposed.

So he's going to steal it. He can't win fairly--not one of the sixty million people who voted for President Obama will seriously consider voting for Jeb--and he can't afford to lose.

So I expect him to kill or crush everyone who stands in his way--unless we can dig up enough dirt on him in the next three years to ruin his chances.

If you want to see the Shrub people put away forever, this is how you do it: destroy Jeb Bush's electoral viability, then swarm the polls to make sure he can't steal it anyway, then compel the new Democratic President to release the GWB records, and watch 'em all scurry like roaches when the kitchen lights are turned on.

[NorthCarolina]

95. I would hope that the Bush name is too tainted to be electable.

The risk is too great, Orca may work next time.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

96. How about Marvin Bush?

Heh heh!

[BlueStater]

97. Who else do they have?

They don't like Christie. Rubio is just an empty suit. Jindal has the charisma of sawdust. Ryan just lost on one presidential ticket as a lackluster VP candidate so his days in the national spotlight are probably over for at least a good while.

Jebbo might win the nomination for the same reason Romney won: his party doesn't particulary like him but they don't really seem to have any better alternatives.

[randr]

101. Should we expect more out of the Republican patriarchal system?