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BigmanPigman

(51,627 posts)
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 02:16 AM Oct 2023

Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel as Palestinian gunmen reported in south

Source: The Guardian

Israel and Hamas appear to be headed to war once again after the Palestinian militant group launched a massive aerial and ground surprise attack from the Gaza Strip.

Sirens sounded across Israel and as far north as the contested city of Jerusalem from around 7am on Saturday after volleys of what Hamas claimed were 5,000 rockets launched from the blockaded enclave. There also appeared to be a ground infiltration by Hamas gunmen towards Israeli towns and villages on the periphery – an unprecedented development in the 16 years since the Islamists took over the strip.

Unconfirmed initial reports and graphic pictures and video appeared to show that gunmen had opened fire in the border town of Sderot, killing several Israeli civilians and soldiers. One elderly woman was confirmed dead by medics in unclear circumstances, and another four people killed by rocket fire.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/07/hamas-launches-surprise-attack-on-israel-as-palestinian-gunmen-reported-in-south

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Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel as Palestinian gunmen reported in south (Original Post) BigmanPigman Oct 2023 OP
Fairly sure the IDF is going to fuck them up Arazi Oct 2023 #1
Iran is hardly the only nation with incentive, given recent events. Lancero Oct 2023 #12
1000% agreed Arazi Oct 2023 #13
"Russia, no doubt, would love for a new war to kick off in the Middle East." blue-wave Oct 2023 #25
Densely populated...?.? That suggestion would be a a war crime, yet another. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #32
IDF responding to Hamas attacks is not a war crime EX500rider Oct 2023 #38
And yet you say nothing about the terrorist Hamas org. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #40
Analysts describing a complete collapse of IDF military and security intelligence Arazi Oct 2023 #2
I've been watching BigmanPigman Oct 2023 #3
Waiting for Hezbollah now Arazi Oct 2023 #4
Hezbollah congratulates Hamas but takes careful stance muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #6
I don't see the congratulations part? Any full statement, not clips? Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #33
In Arabic, with a machine translation: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #34
Oh... "joy" 😑 (NO love for Netanyahu & RW Israelis, either!) electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #42
Gee corrupt racist fascist government messes up IbogaProject Oct 2023 #14
Yes, Hamas is pretty bad. nt EX500rider Oct 2023 #16
Really? McKim Oct 2023 #41
'We are at war,' Netanyahu declares after surprise attack on Israel by Hamas Eugene Oct 2023 #5
I'm confused. AverageOldGuy Oct 2023 #7
There was an expiration clause in his negotiations KS Toronado Oct 2023 #11
. dalton99a Oct 2023 #8
This is probably going to fuck up the Saudi / Israeli peace deal that was supposedly on the table. Calista241 Oct 2023 #9
Pretty sure that was the intent Major Nikon Oct 2023 #10
Hamas is just randomly murdering people. Mosby Oct 2023 #15
And taking civilians hostages. A dangerous development question everything Oct 2023 #17
Celebrations and rallies in ME countries. Mosby Oct 2023 #18
Reminds me of how they celebrated the 9/11 attacks JoseBalow Oct 2023 #22
Well, screw that electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #43
Israeli casualties rise to 100 dead and 985 wounded muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #19
Disgusted with this, too. Poor people. electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #44
Kidnappings Mosby Oct 2023 #20
I know it's impossible to say from a position of safety when not under threat, but... Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #21
Thats a good question. Mosby Oct 2023 #24
Reminds of me of the settlers in Texas during their war with the Comanche. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #36
This on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War JoseBalow Oct 2023 #23
The Israeli version of the attack on Pearl Harbor NickB79 Oct 2023 #26
The parties have started in the West bank. Mosby Oct 2023 #27
Celebrations in London. Mosby Oct 2023 #28
Those people thousands of miles away celebrating death and destestruction in a faraway land XorXor Oct 2023 #31
Missing Israelis Mosby Oct 2023 #29
250 reported deaths now. Mosby Oct 2023 #30
Some how Cherokee100 Oct 2023 #35
One of the kidnapped kids in Gaza Mosby Oct 2023 #37
This shit will never end, will it? LudwigPastorius Oct 2023 #39

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
1. Fairly sure the IDF is going to fuck them up
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 02:43 AM
Oct 2023

And then turn Gaza into a parking lot.

Only question imo, is if they decide to go after other countries that are surely involved in providing Hamas with this level of firepower (like Iran).

This is going to be so bad so fast

Lancero

(3,013 posts)
12. Iran is hardly the only nation with incentive, given recent events.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 10:04 AM
Oct 2023
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2023-03-14/ty-article/.premium/russia-invites-hamas-leaders-for-kremlin-visit/00000186-df39-dc06-afdf-ff3fd16c0000

Russia, no doubt, would love for a new war to kick off in the Middle East. Be a real good way to cut US support for Ukraine - Republican support, tepid as it is, would vanish instantly since they could point to Israel and say they need our help more.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
13. 1000% agreed
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 10:09 AM
Oct 2023

In fact I’d be surprised if it’s just one country - it’s an extremely large and broad incursion

blue-wave

(4,363 posts)
25. "Russia, no doubt, would love for a new war to kick off in the Middle East."
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 02:32 PM
Oct 2023

My very first thought when I heard the news.

EX500rider

(10,856 posts)
38. IDF responding to Hamas attacks is not a war crime
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 06:52 PM
Oct 2023

Hamas firing unguided rockets at Israeli towns certainly is.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,429 posts)
40. And yet you say nothing about the terrorist Hamas org.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 07:31 PM
Oct 2023

firing thousands of rockets into densely populated areas of Israel, nor the wanton murder of Israeli men, women and children by Hamas and Palestinian terrorists.

But, that doesn't really surprise me.

BigmanPigman

(51,627 posts)
3. I've been watching
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 04:18 AM
Oct 2023

and it seems they somehow got in from the air, sea and ground. This was well planned.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-07/ty-article-live/israel-under-attack-terrorists-infiltrate-from-gaza-amid-massive-rocket-barrages/0000018b-088b-dae9-adcb-abbff50f0000

"Israeli army says dozens of Palestinian militants infiltrate Israel from Gaza by land, sea and air ■ Some 2,500 rockets fired from the Strip ■ Over 200 Israelis reportedly wounded ■ Army strikes Hamas targets in Gaza ■ Terrorists hold Israeli civilians hostage in their homes"

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
4. Waiting for Hezbollah now
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 04:25 AM
Oct 2023

I’m sure Hamas had help from Iran (and Russia?)

Hezbollah jumping in from the West Bank would mean Lebanon is involved too indicating months of planning and coordination.

It’s going to turn out to be another Yom Kippur war I think, with a lot of regional and outside groups converging on attacking Israel

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
6. Hezbollah congratulates Hamas but takes careful stance
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 08:06 AM
Oct 2023
The Lebanese militant group Hezbollah congratulated Hamas militants on the incursion into Israeli territory from Gaza, but issued a carefully-worded statement which suggests they are currently backing away from any further involvement, tamping down on concerns they could fire weaponry into Israel via its northern border.

In a statement issued via the Hezbollah-linked news outlet Al Manar, the group said they are “closely keeping pace with the important developments on the Palestinian scene and following conditions in the field with great interest,” adding that they remain “in direct contact,” with the leadership of Palestinian armed groups in order to assess ongoing events.

The statement also described the incursion as a message against normalisation to the international community, particularly those seeking diplomatic relations with Israel.

This is likely an oblique reference to countries in the Gulf, particularly Saudi Arabia which has been in the early stages of talks with the United States to discuss a potential peace deal with Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/07/hamas-launches-attack-on-israel-with-5000-rockets-live?page=with:block-652134738f08297bb342399b#block-652134738f08297bb342399b

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
34. In Arabic, with a machine translation:
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 05:36 PM
Oct 2023
https://www.almanar.com.lb/11001146

Hizbullah blessed the Palestinian resistance people and the mujahideen of the heroic Palestinian factions, especially the dear brothers in the Qassam Brigades and the Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas, for the heroic large-scale operation crowned with victory, divine support and the promise of a final and comprehensive victory.

In a statement on Saturday, Hezbollah said that this triumphant operation is a decisive response to the persistent crimes of occupation and the continuous infringement on sanctities, honors and dignity, and a new affirmation that the will of the Palestinian people and the gun of resistance is the only option in the face of aggression and occupation and a message to the Arab and Islamic world and the entire international community, especially those seeking normalization with this enemy, that the cause of Palestine is a living cause that does not die until victory and liberation.

Hizbullah called on the peoples of our Arab and Islamic nation and the free people of the world to declare support and support for the Palestinian people and the resistance movements that affirm their unity on the ground in blood, word and deed.

The party stressed in its statement that "the leadership of the Islamic Resistance in Lebanon keeps pace with important developments on the Palestinian arena closely and follows the situation on the ground with great interest and is in direct contact with the leadership of the Palestinian resistance at home and abroad and conducts a continuous assessment of events and the conduct of operations, and therefore we call on the government of the Zionist enemy to read the important lessons and lessons devoted by the Palestinian resistance in the field and the battlefields."

IbogaProject

(2,841 posts)
14. Gee corrupt racist fascist government messes up
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 10:36 AM
Oct 2023

A totally far right coalition with tons of side deals leads to not having the best running things.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
41. Really?
Sun Oct 8, 2023, 01:09 AM
Oct 2023

Really? The Israeli Government has the best intelligence apparatus. Maybe Netanyahu knew but let it be a surprise to get the country behind their savior, himself. Then they would forget their differences and Netanyahu would be a hero. Just a possibility!

Eugene

(61,945 posts)
5. 'We are at war,' Netanyahu declares after surprise attack on Israel by Hamas
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 07:36 AM
Oct 2023
‘We are at war,’ Netanyahu declares after surprise attack on Israel by Hamas (Politico)

Israel was struck by a surprise attack by Hamas early Saturday morning in one of the most serious escalations in years between Israel and the Islamist militant group. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared the country was “at war.”

Israel launched retaliatory air strikes on targets in Gaza.

The massive assault by Hamas combined a barrage of rockets fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel and dozens of heavily armed gunmen attacking the country’s south from Gaza. At least 22 Israelis have been killed in the attack with more than 250 wounded, Israel’s ambulance service said, according to media reports. The toll was expected to rise.


https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-palestina-gaza-air-and-ground-attack-by-hamas/

AverageOldGuy

(1,542 posts)
7. I'm confused.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 09:36 AM
Oct 2023

I thought Jared Kushner -- noted Middle East scholar and world-class diplomat -- had brought lasting peace to the MidEast???

KS Toronado

(17,317 posts)
11. There was an expiration clause in his negotiations
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 10:03 AM
Oct 2023

Good only until my daddy gets kicked out of the White House.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
8. .
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 09:40 AM
Oct 2023

Palestinians celebrate by a destroyed Israeli tank at the Gaza Strip fence east of Khan Younis southern Saturday, Oct. 7, 2023. (AP Photo/Hassan Eslaiah)

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
9. This is probably going to fuck up the Saudi / Israeli peace deal that was supposedly on the table.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 09:57 AM
Oct 2023

Along with increased oil production from SA.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
19. Israeli casualties rise to 100 dead and 985 wounded
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 12:48 PM
Oct 2023
Israel's health ministry has given updated numbers to Israeli media of the victims of Hamas's attack since early on Saturday.

The death toll is now reported to be about 100 and the number of people taken to hospital at 985.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6521840f02d73c280f4a9090%26Israeli%20casualties%20rise%20to%20100%20dead%20and%20985%20wounded%262023-10-07T16%3A17%3A46.156Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset 7610cb5-7bfa-4633-9c18-1fdf9b7e004a&pinned_post_asset_id=6521840f02d73c280f4a9090&pinned_post_type=share

Israeli captives in secure places and tunnels, Hamas says

The Israeli army spokesperson earlier confirmed that "soldiers and civilians" have been abducted by Palestinian militants, and that there were hostage situations in the kibbutzes of Ofakim and Be'eri, where special forces were involved.

Now, Hamas has said that "the Israeli captives have been placed in secured places and in tunnels".

They haven't given any details on where these "secure places" or tunnels are, and whether they are back in Gaza or in Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=652188fb3fc96e28602bfbb7%26Israeli%20captives%20in%20secure%20places%20and%20tunnels%2C%20Hamas%20says%262023-10-07T16%3A44%3A49.520Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:d229d99e-aa21-4d1b-96c1-0ae3a654c6e1&pinned_post_asset_id=652188fb3fc96e28602bfbb7&pinned_post_type=share

Jedi Guy

(3,249 posts)
21. I know it's impossible to say from a position of safety when not under threat, but...
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 01:21 PM
Oct 2023

If you were an Israeli, why would you let Hamas take you alive? Odds are you're going to be tortured and probably killed anyway, and even in the best case scenario you're going to end up as a bargaining chip that'll be used to hurt other people. That female IDF soldier who was captured is probably going to be treated horrifically.

Once Israel gets both feet under them again, Hamas is going to get more than a bloody nose this time, I think.

Mosby

(16,350 posts)
24. Thats a good question.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 01:48 PM
Oct 2023

I would be looking to escape any way possible, including jumping out or crashing the vehicle.

Elessar Zappa

(14,047 posts)
36. Reminds of me of the settlers in Texas during their war with the Comanche.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 06:12 PM
Oct 2023

They would generally save one bullet for themselves if they were ever captured due to the high likelihood of horrific torture by the Comanches.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
26. The Israeli version of the attack on Pearl Harbor
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 04:11 PM
Oct 2023

And Hamas playing the role of Japan.

They're going to be wiped out.

XorXor

(624 posts)
31. Those people thousands of miles away celebrating death and destestruction in a faraway land
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 04:57 PM
Oct 2023

This detachment from the suffering of actual people (on all sides of this conflict) is disturbing.

Mosby

(16,350 posts)
37. One of the kidnapped kids in Gaza
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 06:30 PM
Oct 2023

The Gazans and Hamas have completely dehumanized Israelis. The Gazan kid is saying "mommy, mommy, mommy" as a taunt.






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