Trump Showed Docs to People at Mar-a-Lago's Dining Room Patio
Source: MSNBCs Alex Witt Reports
Trump Showed Docs to People at Mar-a-Lagos Dining Room Patio Claims Former White House Press Secretary
By Colby HallJul 3rd, 2023, 7:06 am
Stephanie Grisham revealed that she witnessed her former boss, former President Donald Trump, show classified documents to people at his Florida residence Mar-a-Lago.
Grisham served as both Communications Director and Press Secretary under the Trump administration and appeared Saturday on MSNBCs Alex Witt Reports, and was asked to comment on Trumps second indictment surrounding his alleged mishandling of classified documents.
Witt: Look, you know, Donald Trump, is it plausible Trump was showing classified documents to people in private meetings?
Grisham: The short answer is yes. I watched him show documents to people at Mar a Lago on the dining room patio. So he has no respect for classified information. Never did. You know, listening to that exchange every time, it just makes me so angry. He he talks specifically that he should have declassified it, but he didnt. So there, I think, is proof. I believe also theres a portion of that audio where he says, you know, this is off the record. And I know Donald Trump knows the rules of reporters and he knows if it needs to be off the record that they cant talk about it. So I think he was covering himself in that regard. And, you know, I was thinking about this earlier. I just want to say to your viewers, I dont think people understand how hard it is to get your your classified permission. I remember when I was going through it to get get all of mine. I got held up because of a $13 kindercare bill that I did not know about, and so I couldnt get it. They go through everything about it. Its very difficult to get a security clearance. And I think people, you know, they miss that in the weeds, obviously. But to be showing it to people who havent gone through the extreme vetting that you go through to get a clearance, its you know, its a disservice to the country, but it also puts people in danger potentially.
Witt: How high was your security clearance? And Ive got to think, given that you get held up for a $13, whatever it was, I mean, thats got to be almost offensive. The Donald Trump goes around and shows it very liberally to people.
Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-showed-docs-to-people-at-mar-a-lagos-dining-room-patio-claims-former-white-house-press-secretary/
bucolic_frolic
(43,277 posts)and where those images were sent
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)It must be because Im so sexy and she wants a piece of The Donald!
Lonestarblue
(10,063 posts)Russians? Saudis? Chinese? The intelligence services have to assume that he has shared these documents with spies because anyone with the money can become a club member. What an easy way for enemies to gain access to US top secret documentsjust buy a club membership. I hope the FBI has obtained a list of any new club members who joined after learning that Trump had classified documents. Or Trump could have even used the documents as incentive to get new members. Buy a membership, get a peek at US secret intelligence. Jeez what an absolute national security nightmare.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)While chasing around after Hillary's emails and Hunter's laptop.
Why isn't the media talking about the actual Russian asset who was in the NY FBI office? Seems like a big story. It's been totally dropped.
bpj62
(999 posts)Most of our former Presidents understood the boundaries of what they should and should not do. They all have aides who tell them the proper protocols. With Trump that all went out the window as Trump is his own advisor. Trump destroyed every norm that got in his way. As President he can show the documents to whoever he wanted to. However once he left office those guidelines no longer protect him. This as well as many other issues are why he can never ever be allowed near the Whitehouse ever again because now he knows what he can get away with.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)flying_wahini
(6,646 posts)paleotn
(17,947 posts)Every operation like that is woefully short of staff. Then you can rummage through the files in the bathroom and virtually everywhere else on site at your leisure around 3 in the morning while everyone else is asleep. I'd bet dollars to donuts the Mar-a-lago staff has been chock full of spooks for years.
PatSeg
(47,583 posts)especially with a Trump property where they've been known to hire undocumented staff. Obviously, they don't do very thorough background checks, probably no background checks at all. Foreign agents must have loved Donald Trump, as he made their job so easy for them.
bucolic_frolic
(43,277 posts)SMH, it's just hypocrisy in a few words.
tanyev
(42,609 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)We will never know how much damage Trump did to our security. Trump needs to be locked away for the rest of his life.
Botany
(70,578 posts)a list of our CIA and other intelligence agents as President and afterwards around the world we started "loosing people."
WASHINGTON Top American counterintelligence officials warned every C.I.A. station and base around the world last week about troubling numbers of informants recruited from other countries to spy for the United States being captured or killed, people familiar with the matter said.
The message, in an unusual top secret cable, said that the C.I.A.s counterintelligence mission center had looked at dozens of cases in the last several years involving foreign informants who had been killed, arrested or most likely compromised. Although brief, the cable laid out the specific number of agents executed by rival intelligence agencies a closely held detail that counterintelligence officials typically do not share in such cables.
The cable highlighted the struggle the spy agency is having as it works to recruit spies around the world in difficult operating environments. In recent years, adversarial intelligence services in countries such as Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan have been hunting down the C.I.A.s sources and in some cases turning them into double agents.
Acknowledging that recruiting spies is a high-risk business, the cable raised issues that have plagued the agency in recent years, including poor tradecraft; being too trusting of sources; underestimating foreign intelligence agencies, and moving too quickly to recruit informants while not paying enough attention to potential counterintelligence risks a problem the cable called placing mission over security.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
Article from Oct '21
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Why he is still walking free is beyond me but if the GOP wants to make him the face of their party
then I say, go for it you idiots and make a traitor your guy.
Here he is selling out Israel and one its agents in the Oval Office.
CrispyQ
(36,509 posts)This. So much this. And running for president.
Wasn't that photo taken shortly after the election & released by Russian media cuz US media wasn't allowed? And weren't there suggestions that Trump revealed Israeli secrets during this meeting? Look at him, all puffed up on himself, thinking that he's running with the big dogs while they laugh between themselves knowing he's a puppet. We'll never know all the damage he did.
Botany
(70,578 posts).... this meeting. I think Israel got their agent out but I'm sure some of his/her contacts
got tortured and or killed.
As for dead CIA agents we will never know because that information is classified.
BTW I have a family member who worked with some of the stuff they found in
Trump's bedroom and even though the person is retired now he/she would be
picked up in a heartbeat the stuff he/she was working on was leaked or sold.
GenThePerservering
(1,838 posts)too many of them.
Uncle Joe
(58,415 posts)"Why he is still walking free is beyond me but if the GOP wants to make him the face of their party
then I say, go for it you idiots and make a traitor your guy."
Novara
(5,851 posts)I've been waiting for someone to crawl out of the woodwork with this news. Of course he showed people. It's why he took them. "Look how important I am."
He's like the former high school prom queen who can't let go that she was once a high school prom queen and is nothing but a middle-aged schlub now.
Totally pathetic and totally predictable. And I am sick and tired of his special treatment. He is a danger to national security and should have been imprisoned as soon as they knew classified material was stolen.
LuvLoogie
(7,027 posts)the racist, white supremacist premise that is the DNA of power in America.
bahboo
(16,355 posts)very disheartening....orange fuck should be in prison....
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)the majority of Rs.
LuvLoogie
(7,027 posts)that white hegemony.
And the corporate media is its mouth speaking to preserve itself.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,027 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,027 posts)The other half didn't give a shit as long as they got a tax cut. I'll leave it to you to diagnose whether that makes them certifiably crazy.
So is that the hedge? "We'll treat a racist, fascist with kid gloves because tens of millions of people might not be all that crazy in supporting our white hegemony."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)this 76 million person bad pie. Agree!... There are multiple parts of his constituency. Being in red country for 20+ years I think we should zero in on the segment that's most "gettable, changeable"?
LuvLoogie
(7,027 posts)won't make them anymore "gettable." I don't want to appeal to them, but I will drag their racist, fascist choices all day.
Trump is a racist, liar 24/7. Corporate media normalizing him with town halls and fluff rally reporting gives cover to those 70-odd million. Who are they trying to kid? I'm not their maker.
If the truth of the GOP in motive and deed doesn't cause them to seek their better angels, then fuck them.
If they do want come over to the Democratic table, then they are going to have to wipe their shoes and not turn their noses up at the spread.
While Democrats are trying to form a more perfect union, the GOP is trying to form a more perfect White hegemony.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Justice matters.
(6,941 posts)Those who ignore the lessons of History are doomed... to repeat it.
Worst than 911 next?
CrispyQ
(36,509 posts)We look foolish, stupid, & weak that we let this go on. We, meaning we as a country. The great United States of America touting Rule of Law. What a joke.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)others for EXACTLY what HE is doing or denounces actions HE is secretly guilty of.
He is psychotic
Novara
(5,851 posts)He (and they) will always accuse others of what they themselves are doing. It's what five year olds do.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)But trump's taken it to a new astronomical level Don't even think the devil Karl meant to outright make up 100% utter & complete and fantastical lies.
Strategy kinda made optics sense at first. An event happens between your side and your opponent's. You get ahead of it instantly and pitch it your way. And broadcast it everywhere. More people will hear your side than they will the explanation/other side.
Novara
(5,851 posts)[link:https://www.everydayhealth.com/emotional-health/psychological-projection-dealing-with-undesirable-emotions/#:~:text=Psychological%20projection%20involves%20projecting%20undesirable,common%20example%20of%20psychological%20projection.|
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Hes a traitor
purr-rat beauty
(543 posts)...that the media doesn't challenge those who see nothing wrong with trump's lack of national security awareness and his absolute insolent recklessness towards our secrets.
It's as if they WANT this nation to become more vulnerable.
I don't care what your political stance is....national security is not a toy and there better be a reckoning.
trump should not be free at this time and his fellow bootlickers should be under the magnifying glass as well...frying.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)There's a huge drought of knowledge and journalistic technique. Perhaps down side of 24 hr news? Cost to staff? Maybe it should be more of just reading the news and save the $$$ salary for good people?
Saw an interview yesterday where GOPer got away with saying " runaway inflation". There was not even a glimmer in the eye of the interviewer to talk about inflation projected to decrease to pre pandemic rates next year.
Bottom line, think it's more about the skill level than some big master media plan
llashram
(6,265 posts)like trump has to brag and puff out his chest while thinking how powerful he must be to be able to have and show those documents. One evil Hitlerian POS and if he's reelected, to the WW2 historians here, remember Dresden. And Hitler did not care that he destroyed thousands upon thousands of his own people. And said as much. To paraphrase: they deserved it because it was their fault he was losing the war.
The ex-POTUS is no better human being than Hitler.
republianmushroom
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29 months and counting
speak easy
(9,302 posts)Joe has been a great president since day one.
republianmushroom
(13,675 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 4, 2023, 12:42 PM - Edit history (1)
It may not happen if he is re-elected.
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)It's incredibly banal. (Yeah, I know it is arguably not technically treason, but I'm on a roll here)
It's like there should be a corollary to Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice what can sufficiently be explained by a pathetic need to brag about how cool you are.
Mr Trump probably had some other ideas in mind for the documents he stole, but I do honestly believe that 90% of the reason he took them was because it made him feel important. The guy is incapable of anything even remotely approaching discretion (to say nothing of good taste), and his whole life has been on big whiny pout of "Look at ME!!!"
-- Mal
Novara
(5,851 posts)I am always arguing with those who say he stole documents to sell them. If he sold them, he'd no longer have control of them to make himself look important. That's more important to him than the monetary reward. He knows how to grift - he can always con people out of their money. But if he sells the classified information, it's in the hands and control of someone else, so he is no longer the important person that says, "Look how important I alone am. Only I have these."
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Ego and money? Chicken and egg deal? Or is it? What part of trump is motivated by $, what part ego? I'm at 60% ego, 40% $
Even if no currency passed hands, I can see him waving a doc around. "See what I have? Stand down"
Bayard
(22,148 posts)If this traitor criminal gets off with a slap on the wrist for stealing and exhibiting this country's secret documents. Prison for life is the only way to go.
Makes me want to scream.
Delphinus
(11,840 posts)FRONT PAGE news - everywhere.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,542 posts)krkaufman
(13,436 posts)I have to wonder if people like Grisham, having obtained a security clearance, weren't violating the law or terms of their clearance status by failing to report the suspect activity by TFG. If true, Grisham and others like her should face the consequences of their inaction, the least of which should be never being granted a security clearance in the future. (OF course, TFG or another like him would just waive the concerns and order the clearance granted, as was done for Jared.)
Novara
(5,851 posts)Him, we expect this sort of shit. Others who kept their mouths shut? They all should face charges and I hope like hell Jack Smith is planning to indict them all.
Botany
(70,578 posts)Why is he still walking free?
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,542 posts)I am wondering if dissemination charges made be added to the Florida federal case
Botany
(70,578 posts)I remember seeing Trump showing off the person who carried "the football" which has
our nuclear launch codes in 2017 @ Merde a Logo with a friend and both he and I were
floored because neither of us had ever seen that type of person before and Trump and
his dinner guests were posing with the person. My friend who was in the military and
did some security work was like well Trump just "burned" that guy.
republianmushroom
(13,675 posts)29 months and counting
calimary
(81,454 posts)We really do have two different kinds of justice. One for the donald and one for everyone else.
When does THAT end, finally???
republianmushroom
(13,675 posts)Top FBI agents did not want to raid Mar-a-Lago
but DOJ prosecutors pushed them anyway: report
https://www.theblaze.com/news/report-fbi-did-not-want-mar-a-lago-raid
29 months and counting