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NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:00 PM Nov 2012

Obama considering John Kerry for job of defense secretary

Source: Washington Post

President Obama is considering asking Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to serve as his next defense secretary, part of an extensive rearrangement of his national security team that will include a permanent replacement for former CIA director David H. Petraeus.

Although Kerry is thought to covet the job of secretary of state, senior administration officials familiar with transition planning said that nomination will almost certainly go to Susan E. Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

John O. Brennan, Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser, is a leading contender for the CIA job if he wants it, officials said. If Brennan goes ahead with his plan to leave government, Michael J. Morell, the agency’s acting director, is the prohibitive favorite to take over permanently. Officials cautioned that the White House discussions are still in the early phases and that no decisions have been made.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-considers-john-kerry-for-job-of-defense-secretary/2012/11/12/8a0e973a-2d02-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

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Obama considering John Kerry for job of defense secretary (Original Post) NYC Liberal Nov 2012 OP
Then how would that work? mac56 Nov 2012 #1
I think MA would have a special election NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #3
It means Scott Brown would be back. liberalmuse Nov 2012 #5
Jesus H. I hope not. We have enough shirtless FBI agents to deal with. valerief Nov 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Tx4obama Nov 2012 #29
I belive there would be a temporary governor's appointment if Kerry were to leave immediately Fearless Nov 2012 #43
Bad move Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #2
Scott Brown would run for the seat. acamp Nov 2012 #6
Brown SUCKS. All Republicans SUCK. nt valerief Nov 2012 #27
Ditto - Why hand the seat to Scott Brown? TomCADem Nov 2012 #42
Oh man! The RW-nutjobs are gonna throw a s***fit over that one. Crowman1979 Nov 2012 #4
I agree, and I think they might try to derail it. MH1 Nov 2012 #12
I agree LeftInTX Nov 2012 #17
That's what I think. amandabeech Nov 2012 #39
The Senate usually fast tracks their own thru confirmation but this could still get messy. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2012 #32
Hopefully OFA can get someone in his Senate seat. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #7
Hopefully.. Mr_King Nov 2012 #22
Love it, and the freepers will go berserk Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #8
Only if he appoints Scott Brown as ambassador to Afghanistan, say, first. n/t Bossy Monkey Nov 2012 #9
Fugg him.l Panasonic Nov 2012 #10
Dark side of the Moon, maybe. WheelWalker Nov 2012 #14
Fuck the freebers The Old Creak Nov 2012 #11
I hope not rury Nov 2012 #13
+1, not minus one. WheelWalker Nov 2012 #15
I'm quite sure that adieu Nov 2012 #20
You remember what happened.... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #24
Yes. That worked so well when Teddy died pscot Nov 2012 #25
The logical (and best) choice is John Hamre eringer Nov 2012 #16
he certainly has the background to be the sec of defense madrchsod Nov 2012 #23
NOT Sure How This Appointment Works Iggy Nov 2012 #18
Leon Panetta adieu Nov 2012 #19
Wasn't CIA his previous post? Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2012 #31
Yes he was. Paulie Nov 2012 #34
Bad Move Joey Liberal Nov 2012 #21
This is not a fact. These are RUMORS. Not confirmed. Even the source hasn't been confirmed! Tx4obama Nov 2012 #28
AND.... would John Kerry even accept that job? groundloop Nov 2012 #36
No. Secretary of State maybe when Hillary steps down but... El Supremo Nov 2012 #30
Take that, swiftboaters! zonkers Nov 2012 #33
I don't like this move on a number of levels wordpix Nov 2012 #35
Kerry doesn't have much of a military background ? JI7 Nov 2012 #37
I agree that these are just rumors davidpdx Nov 2012 #38
Interesting n/t politicasista Nov 2012 #40
The biggest reason to oppose this: woo me with science Nov 2012 #41
For what is it worth, the same WP just a few day's ago, said Kerry was a no go because Reid karynnj Nov 2012 #44
I think Deval Patrick would appoint a caretaker, then run in the special election BluegrassDem Nov 2012 #45
Kerry would be great...but the Swift Boaters would come roaring back to stop him. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #46
Don't think he's suited to be defense secretary Franker65 Nov 2012 #47

mac56

(17,574 posts)
1. Then how would that work?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:03 PM
Nov 2012

Would there be a special election for his Senate seat? Or would the Governor appoint someone?

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
3. I think MA would have a special election
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:04 PM
Nov 2012

Someone might know differently but that's what a family member who lives in Boston told me.

I really don't want to see Scott Brown in another election there.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
26. Jesus H. I hope not. We have enough shirtless FBI agents to deal with.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:18 PM
Nov 2012

We don't need shirtless senators on top of that.

Response to mac56 (Reply #1)

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
43. I belive there would be a temporary governor's appointment if Kerry were to leave immediately
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:24 AM
Nov 2012

And then a special election would take place. That's what happened with Kennedy's seat.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
4. Oh man! The RW-nutjobs are gonna throw a s***fit over that one.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:05 PM
Nov 2012

They'll be screaming WINTER SOLDIER! WINTER SOLDIER! Till they are blue in the face.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
12. I agree, and I think they might try to derail it.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:09 PM
Nov 2012

I like and respect John Kerry, especially for what he did when he came back from Vietnam. But a large swath of people on the right don't understand it and consequently can't stomach it.

I think he would be a great Secretary of Defense but at the same time I think it would be spitting in the eye of a lot of people. This isn't a battle we should pick, IMHO.

LeftInTX

(25,555 posts)
17. I agree
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:20 PM
Nov 2012

I also respect John Kerry, but feel that too many career military types will be upset.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
39. That's what I think.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:34 AM
Nov 2012

Kerry might not get the cooperation that he would need managing such a monstrous bureaucracy.

Kerry would be better at state.

Susan Rice was going with the video story about Benghazi several days after everyone else was. That's a disqualifier for me.

Mr_King

(396 posts)
22. Hopefully..
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:59 PM
Nov 2012

Governor Deval Patrick would run for the senate seat. That's what Joe Manchin did in West Virginia when Senator Byrd died. Patrick could appoint a place holder like he did when Teddy died and then run for the office himself in a special election.

Kingofalldems

(38,476 posts)
8. Love it, and the freepers will go berserk
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:06 PM
Nov 2012

Swift Boating will commence again, only this time it won't work,

Only downside is defending his seat.

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
10. Fugg him.l
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nov 2012

I say appoint him to a permanent ambassadorship in the remotest part of Outer Mongolia, and not be let back in the United States.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
20. I'm quite sure that
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:43 PM
Nov 2012

Any special campaign for Kerry's seat will result in a D senator. It would be nice to have Kerry stay there so that MA doesn't have two freshmen senators. When is Kerry's term up? If he is running in 2014, maybe he can be SoD or SoS in 2014 and have someone else run in his spot.

eringer

(460 posts)
16. The logical (and best) choice is John Hamre
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:17 PM
Nov 2012

He was on Obama's transition team and has been OSD Comptroller and DepSecDef. He knows the building well.
Here is his bio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hamre

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
18. NOT Sure How This Appointment Works
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:36 PM
Nov 2012

with the upcoming hysteria/carpet chewing by the war-profiteers over the potential miniscule cut to the defense budget; "ohhh, this is horrid, our nation's defense is utterly at risk now... Islamic drug hordes are poised at our border with Mexico... ready to invade and take over Tucson if we cut defense this 'severely'".

What a load... I just don't see Kerry as the guy able to put out this obvious high level of BOGUS-ness.



 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
19. Leon Panetta
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:40 PM
Nov 2012

the current Secretary of Defense might be a good fit for CIA head. Not sure Kerry would be a good SoD. I'd like to see a good finance guy there to start the work of paring the bloated pig of all the unnecessary pork.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
28. This is not a fact. These are RUMORS. Not confirmed. Even the source hasn't been confirmed!
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:47 PM
Nov 2012

Someone is only 'floating balloons'

groundloop

(11,523 posts)
36. AND.... would John Kerry even accept that job?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:16 PM
Nov 2012

It's widely acknowledged that John Kerry would like the Secretary of State position, and probably would take that if offered. But nobody had hinted at whether or not he'd take the Defense job.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
35. I don't like this move on a number of levels
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:12 PM
Nov 2012

First, Kerry has been the face of doves, not hawks---can he stand up to the military when he doesn't have much of a military background? Will they work with him or try to take him down?

Confirmation could end up a big fight, too.

JI7

(89,264 posts)
37. Kerry doesn't have much of a military background ?
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:16 AM
Nov 2012

but i agree about others who would object. people don't get over things and they still hate him for telling the truth about what was happening in Vietnam.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
38. I agree that these are just rumors
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:27 AM
Nov 2012

I would rather see Kerry stay in the Senate. Any chance given to Scott Brown to slime his way back into the Senate would be a travesty.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
44. For what is it worth, the same WP just a few day's ago, said Kerry was a no go because Reid
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:00 AM
Nov 2012

wants him in the Senate. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/09/harry-reid-could-keep-john-kerry-from-secretary-of-state/

There are so many reasons why this seems more an effort to argue Rice for SOS.

1) Many articles - including the BG - mentioned that there were 2 "jobs Kerry always wanted" and they did not feel the need to explain that they were President and SOS. (In fact, Kerry himself has spoken of a third job that he loves - that is being Senator and Chair of SFRC.)

2) There are many who might feel that Obama is attacking the military by choosing someone who many on the right believe the smear that he attacked soldiers in 1971, though nothing is further from the truth.

3) If Obama has an ambiguous agenda of changing the military and ending the wars, he could best do this with a SOD who the military embraces wholeheartedly.

This may suggest that, in fact, Reid is NOT speaking against it. This makes sense given the Senate count and the likelihood that a great MA candidate could run against Brown's record - that he refused to speak about in the race with Warren.

Note that this is also written with the hypothesis that Susan Rice will be picked listed as a foregone conclusion. It may well be that Obama (or others on the foreign policy team) prefer Rice. It might even be that they (not Obama) realize that Kerry will be a bigger force on the team and their vested interest is for a weaker member of the team.

I think taking any cabinet position has one down side for Kerry. I think he likes things like town halls, meeting people and the political life. However, even as a young man he was fascinated by diplomacy and has demonstrated that he is very good at it. The NYT magazine last fall had a long article on Kerry that shows his genuine, innate diplomatic skill. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/magazine/john-kerry-our-man-in-kabul.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Kerry has been honest in saying that he did want to be SOS in 2008 when he could have denied it. I think Susan Rice would be a good choice, but I hate that many people pushing her have tried to make the argument by suggesting that the choice of Kerry is a bad one.

 

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
45. I think Deval Patrick would appoint a caretaker, then run in the special election
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:23 AM
Nov 2012

I suppose that's why he had a dinner with Obama last Friday.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
46. Kerry would be great...but the Swift Boaters would come roaring back to stop him.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:28 AM
Nov 2012

Is he worth putting the party and the whole damn country through THAT again?

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