WikiLeaks Says It Has Released Hacked U.S. Detainee Rules
Source: Reuters
WikiLeaks says releases hacked U.S. detainee rules
Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:13am EDT
LONDON (Reuters) - The WikiLeaks website began publishing on Thursday what it said were more than 100 U.S. Defense Department files detailing military detention policies in camps in Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay in the years after the September 11 attacks on U.S. targets.
In a statement, WikiLeaks criticized regulations it said had led to abuse and impunity and urged human rights activists to use the documents to research what it called "policies of unaccountability".
The statement quoted WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange as saying: "The 'Detainee Policies' show the anatomy of the beast that is post-9/11 detention, the carving out of a dark space where law and rights do not apply, where persons can be detained without a trace at the convenience of the U.S. Department of Defense."
"It shows the excesses of the early days of war against an unknown 'enemy' and how these policies matured and evolved, ultimately deriving into the permanent state of exception that the United States now finds itself in, a decade later."
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE89O0MA20121025
http://wikileaks.org/detaineepolicies
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Actually we have a lot of American war criminals who should have been arrested.
Big fan of George W. Bush's policies, are we?
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)at least not for the next 2 weeks.
they are meddling in our election
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)That I'm genuinely unsure which you're doing.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)
is that a legal term?
I ask because I've read the Geneva Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading
Treatment or Punishment and I don't see where "FORWARD" exempts anyone from war crimes. Here, look for yourself:
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html
Maybe "FORWARD" is only a non-rational justification for failing to prosecute/aiding and abetting war crimes that political elites provide to the inarticulate mass public in order to maintain the status quo and spare themselves from electoral retribution.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)should not mean sweeping the past under the rug and letting bad policies slide.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)ever associated myself with the Democratic Party or supported any of its officials.
We have to call out assholes like you when you show your hands. If this gets my posting privileges on DU revoked, so be it.
If you forgot to use a icon, then I hereby retract everything above. Otherwise, please alert on me.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I don't admire anarchy.
as Mark Rudd (from the 1960s) has said and learned(not exact words)
what worked in the 60s is not the way to go in the 2010's.
you rebuild the parts you don't like from within, not from without
leaks are bad. Whether they be Valerie Plame or others.
As for Daniel Ellsberg? This is not the 1970s. This is today.
and this leaking stuff has the potential to bring down the entire internet into a vast silence.
(which then would lead to exactly what I am sure is not what someone pro-leak would want.)
Is that the "sounds of silence" those favoring the leaks wants?
I seriously doubt it.
By the way- V was just a movie with Natalie Portman and that great character actor Hugo.
It was NOT real. And in no way does that movie glorify anything in 2012. It was just a movie
where of course, in the movies, one roots for over the top things that may have actually happened in another place, another time, another world, but it is very odd
the vast majority who are pro-leaks shudder at the thought of having to get on an airline in safety, but have a machine make sure they are not carrying.
Something is wrong with that picture.
You want transparancy, but you don't want transparancy when entering an airline terminal and plane and would rather have secrecy in that as opposed to the assurance one may get to their destination safely, unlike say on 9/11.
again, this is not the old times.
we are living in a new world. And there are two choices (amazing prophetic in the 1960s tv farce...
we can have Kaos
or we can have Control
we cannot have anarchy which leads to Kaos.
Do you want all your personal emails to be revealed?(though if one has nothing to hide, there really is no reason for secrecy.)
But I would rather have safety.
and then through the criminal court system, those that abuse the law can be tried and if found guilty convicted
but that means one needs to obey the laws that are on the books
in the words of the old serenity canard
grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference
leaks are NOT a good thing.
changing laws enacted by Congress(NOT THE PRESIDENT) can be done in legal ways
(same as someday #2BOR will be re-interpreted humanely unlike the way it is now.)
Corrupt courts in time get replaced by good ones
Much as the Bush/Cheney admin. was retired and is never coming back, as long as people don't vote them back in.
(and as we know the two parties are NOT one and the same, if for no other reason than the ability to pick fantastic or fanatical justices-depending on who is doing the picking.
and I look forward. not backward.
in the words of #6
be seeing you in future posts in future arguments sometimes probably more than likely agreeing, sometimes not.
we agree to disagree or agree to agree. That is what an honest debate is suppose to be
.
peace and love to you always.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)don't give a shit who is president or which party holds power if torture is being committed in my name.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and there is a difference.
like the book says (and I don't mean this to sound cold)
don't sweat the small stuff, after all, it's all small stuff
To get to a better point C
one needs to get out of point A
and then it's a long hard road from B til we get to C
I am not belittling the crimes of the past administrations
but there is a far easier and longer lasting way than going back in a tit-for-tat situation
Nixon quit before any trials
Bill Clinton was impeached for nothing at all
to go back here, all that would happen is "they" would say it is revenge for Bill
"we" would say it is for a noble cause
there would be a split verdict
and if there were a jury trial, all it takes is ONE juror to stop a guilty vote
and if there was a guilty vote, all it takes is ONE minor mistake to have that overturned.
If you know your history, you might recall in the aftermath of the Iran/Contra and guns for hostages, and the entire situation there, a few people got jail time.
then (of all things) the ACLU famously got one of the main links to the entire happening off
on a technicality.
at which point he became a hero himself
if one cannot assure the correct outcome will happen, going backward and wasting valuable capital on what 1/2 the nation will percieve as a witchhunt, while the other 1/2 thinks it is a noble cause, will let the ones slip back into office and then do it again.
and 9-11 did happen. and real people did die.
and bad things happened to people who had nothing to do with 9-11
but look how long it took to bring Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky to justice into the minds of the public.(not the best example I realize)
but one doesn't resort to doing something instantly that will result or could result in the entire internet being silenced. Because that not be the outcome anyone on the side of "good" would want. But it could happen if we have internet anarchy.
IMHO.
(and I am not arguing you personally, or your feelings, or even the truth in what you are passionate about in any way.I might even agree with you, but I am arguing the bigger picture at this moment in history)
(remember, it took hundreds of years for things the founding fathers wrote, to actually happen, some never happened, and some of the founding fathers themselves did very, very bad things personally that were exact opposite their words they wrote(esp. Thomas Jefferson).
lamp_shade
(14,836 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)My one and only post ever on DU about Assange or wikileaks.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Oh, sorry, you did say you wouldn't respond. Ah well. Terrible loss.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Not all the info published by WikiLeaks was "hacked." You ignored the concept of and need for whistle-blowing and the value of transparency.
Even the President continues to assert that Gitmo was a mistake and needs to be shut down.
harun
(11,348 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)I'll take all the information on Bush's crimes I can get. America committed war crimes - no point in pretending otherwise.
Soylent Brice
(8,308 posts)Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)I guess it's all right to do it to US citizens, too.
Say, did you know that the Obama administration has found the authority within the Constitution to assassinate US citizens based only on suspicion of terrorism and without a trial?
Nothing to worry about, huh?
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Hard to tell with military tribunals. Many of them were YOUTHS. Many have committed suicide.
Even if ALL were guilty of something, how we treat people and the potentially counter-productive precedents established by these horrid, absurd policies are still of concern to every American citizen.
Big fan of George W. Bush's and Donald Rumsfeld's policies and innovations, are you?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Anyways, I'm sure like any other criminal investigation, sometimes you get the wrong guy/gal. It would suck to be the wrong person being held without charges, can't use habeas corpus to challenge your detention.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)... sometimes should not be released. Thank God i do not have to make that decision. I do think they have trumped up these rape charges to make Assange look bad.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)They are usually interesting & well thought out.
Unlike my posts...lol!!!