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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:43 AM Oct 2012

WikiLeaks Says It Has Released Hacked U.S. Detainee Rules

Source: Reuters

WikiLeaks says releases hacked U.S. detainee rules

Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:13am EDT

LONDON (Reuters) - The WikiLeaks website began publishing on Thursday what it said were more than 100 U.S. Defense Department files detailing military detention policies in camps in Iraq and at Guantanamo Bay in the years after the September 11 attacks on U.S. targets.

In a statement, WikiLeaks criticized regulations it said had led to abuse and impunity and urged human rights activists to use the documents to research what it called "policies of unaccountability".

The statement quoted WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange as saying: "The 'Detainee Policies' show the anatomy of the beast that is post-9/11 detention, the carving out of a dark space where law and rights do not apply, where persons can be detained without a trace at the convenience of the U.S. Department of Defense."

"It shows the excesses of the early days of war against an unknown 'enemy' and how these policies matured and evolved, ultimately deriving into the permanent state of exception that the United States now finds itself in, a decade later."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE89O0MA20121025



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WikiLeaks Says It Has Released Hacked U.S. Detainee Rules (Original Post) Hissyspit Oct 2012 OP
traitors & anarchists want to take down the world. They all should be arrested. graham4anything Oct 2012 #1
Traitors? Hissyspit Oct 2012 #3
FORWARD means FORWARD.We are here to reelect Barack Obama not to delve in the past graham4anything Oct 2012 #4
The line between satire and fanaticism is so subtle... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #7
FORWARD. OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #9
Served! Thank you! - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #27
lol n/t 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #11
FORWARD... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #19
You are a douche, plain and simple, and you make me ashamed that I have coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #25
peace and love to you always. graham4anything Oct 2012 #28
One giant rationalization for torture and crimes against humanity. I really coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #29
We can go backward to the 1850s with no rights for most, or forward to rights for all graham4anything Oct 2012 #30
.. > > lamp_shade Oct 2012 #2
I hate hackers, I don't care which "side" they are on. OKNancy Oct 2012 #5
What about torturers? Do you hate them no matter which "side" they are on? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #8
yup. I should have left it as that. They are the same as those that extort.We are trying to win graham4anything Oct 2012 #10
Actually you probably should have just left it, period. Hissyspit Oct 2012 #21
More like whistle blowers harun Oct 2012 #15
Thanks, Hissyspit. Solly Mack Oct 2012 #6
+1 Soylent Brice Oct 2012 #12
and to you Solly Mack Oct 2012 #13
I'm sure the people being detained are top notch saints of humanity... Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #14
If "enemy combatants" can be tortured, OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #16
ditto dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #17
double ditto Pharaoh Oct 2012 #18
How many were innocent? Hissyspit Oct 2012 #20
LOL - so does that make it alright? JonLP24 Oct 2012 #24
I have mixed feelings about this Wikileaks. They have done some good work, but some things... hrmjustin Oct 2012 #22
Thx Hissy. I always look forward to your posts U4ikLefty Oct 2012 #23
USA! USA! USA! :sarcasm: - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #26

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
3. Traitors?
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:55 AM
Oct 2012

Actually we have a lot of American war criminals who should have been arrested.

Big fan of George W. Bush's policies, are we?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
4. FORWARD means FORWARD.We are here to reelect Barack Obama not to delve in the past
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:13 AM
Oct 2012

at least not for the next 2 weeks.

they are meddling in our election

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
9. FORWARD.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:31 AM
Oct 2012

Last edited Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)

is that a legal term?

I ask because I've read the Geneva Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading
Treatment or Punishment and I don't see where "FORWARD" exempts anyone from war crimes. Here, look for yourself:

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

Maybe "FORWARD" is only a non-rational justification for failing to prosecute/aiding and abetting war crimes that political elites provide to the inarticulate mass public in order to maintain the status quo and spare themselves from electoral retribution.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
25. You are a douche, plain and simple, and you make me ashamed that I have
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:14 AM
Oct 2012

ever associated myself with the Democratic Party or supported any of its officials.

We have to call out assholes like you when you show your hands. If this gets my posting privileges on DU revoked, so be it.

If you forgot to use a icon, then I hereby retract everything above. Otherwise, please alert on me.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
28. peace and love to you always.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:46 AM
Oct 2012

I don't admire anarchy.

as Mark Rudd (from the 1960s) has said and learned(not exact words)

what worked in the 60s is not the way to go in the 2010's.

you rebuild the parts you don't like from within, not from without

leaks are bad. Whether they be Valerie Plame or others.

As for Daniel Ellsberg? This is not the 1970s. This is today.

and this leaking stuff has the potential to bring down the entire internet into a vast silence.
(which then would lead to exactly what I am sure is not what someone pro-leak would want.)

Is that the "sounds of silence" those favoring the leaks wants?

I seriously doubt it.

By the way- V was just a movie with Natalie Portman and that great character actor Hugo.
It was NOT real. And in no way does that movie glorify anything in 2012. It was just a movie
where of course, in the movies, one roots for over the top things that may have actually happened in another place, another time, another world, but it is very odd

the vast majority who are pro-leaks shudder at the thought of having to get on an airline in safety, but have a machine make sure they are not carrying.
Something is wrong with that picture.

You want transparancy, but you don't want transparancy when entering an airline terminal and plane and would rather have secrecy in that as opposed to the assurance one may get to their destination safely, unlike say on 9/11.

again, this is not the old times.

we are living in a new world. And there are two choices (amazing prophetic in the 1960s tv farce...

we can have Kaos
or we can have Control

we cannot have anarchy which leads to Kaos.

Do you want all your personal emails to be revealed?(though if one has nothing to hide, there really is no reason for secrecy.)

But I would rather have safety.

and then through the criminal court system, those that abuse the law can be tried and if found guilty convicted

but that means one needs to obey the laws that are on the books

in the words of the old serenity canard

grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference

leaks are NOT a good thing.
changing laws enacted by Congress(NOT THE PRESIDENT) can be done in legal ways

(same as someday #2BOR will be re-interpreted humanely unlike the way it is now.)

Corrupt courts in time get replaced by good ones
Much as the Bush/Cheney admin. was retired and is never coming back, as long as people don't vote them back in.

(and as we know the two parties are NOT one and the same, if for no other reason than the ability to pick fantastic or fanatical justices-depending on who is doing the picking.


and I look forward. not backward.

in the words of #6
be seeing you in future posts in future arguments sometimes probably more than likely agreeing, sometimes not.

we agree to disagree or agree to agree. That is what an honest debate is suppose to be
.
peace and love to you always.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
29. One giant rationalization for torture and crimes against humanity. I really
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:51 AM
Oct 2012

don't give a shit who is president or which party holds power if torture is being committed in my name.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
30. We can go backward to the 1850s with no rights for most, or forward to rights for all
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:08 AM
Oct 2012

and there is a difference.

like the book says (and I don't mean this to sound cold)

don't sweat the small stuff, after all, it's all small stuff

To get to a better point C
one needs to get out of point A
and then it's a long hard road from B til we get to C

I am not belittling the crimes of the past administrations
but there is a far easier and longer lasting way than going back in a tit-for-tat situation

Nixon quit before any trials
Bill Clinton was impeached for nothing at all

to go back here, all that would happen is "they" would say it is revenge for Bill
"we" would say it is for a noble cause
there would be a split verdict

and if there were a jury trial, all it takes is ONE juror to stop a guilty vote
and if there was a guilty vote, all it takes is ONE minor mistake to have that overturned.

If you know your history, you might recall in the aftermath of the Iran/Contra and guns for hostages, and the entire situation there, a few people got jail time.

then (of all things) the ACLU famously got one of the main links to the entire happening off
on a technicality.
at which point he became a hero himself

if one cannot assure the correct outcome will happen, going backward and wasting valuable capital on what 1/2 the nation will percieve as a witchhunt, while the other 1/2 thinks it is a noble cause, will let the ones slip back into office and then do it again.

and 9-11 did happen. and real people did die.
and bad things happened to people who had nothing to do with 9-11

but look how long it took to bring Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky to justice into the minds of the public.(not the best example I realize)

but one doesn't resort to doing something instantly that will result or could result in the entire internet being silenced. Because that not be the outcome anyone on the side of "good" would want. But it could happen if we have internet anarchy.

IMHO.
(and I am not arguing you personally, or your feelings, or even the truth in what you are passionate about in any way.I might even agree with you, but I am arguing the bigger picture at this moment in history)

(remember, it took hundreds of years for things the founding fathers wrote, to actually happen, some never happened, and some of the founding fathers themselves did very, very bad things personally that were exact opposite their words they wrote(esp. Thomas Jefferson).

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
5. I hate hackers, I don't care which "side" they are on.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:03 AM
Oct 2012

My one and only post ever on DU about Assange or wikileaks.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
8. What about torturers? Do you hate them no matter which "side" they are on?
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:18 AM
Oct 2012

Oh, sorry, you did say you wouldn't respond. Ah well. Terrible loss.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
21. Actually you probably should have just left it, period.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:44 PM
Oct 2012

Not all the info published by WikiLeaks was "hacked." You ignored the concept of and need for whistle-blowing and the value of transparency.

Even the President continues to assert that Gitmo was a mistake and needs to be shut down.

Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
6. Thanks, Hissyspit.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 10:08 AM
Oct 2012

I'll take all the information on Bush's crimes I can get. America committed war crimes - no point in pretending otherwise.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
16. If "enemy combatants" can be tortured,
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:52 PM
Oct 2012

I guess it's all right to do it to US citizens, too.

Say, did you know that the Obama administration has found the authority within the Constitution to assassinate US citizens based only on suspicion of terrorism and without a trial?

Nothing to worry about, huh?

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
20. How many were innocent?
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:38 PM
Oct 2012

Hard to tell with military tribunals. Many of them were YOUTHS. Many have committed suicide.

Even if ALL were guilty of something, how we treat people and the potentially counter-productive precedents established by these horrid, absurd policies are still of concern to every American citizen.

Big fan of George W. Bush's and Donald Rumsfeld's policies and innovations, are you?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
24. LOL - so does that make it alright?
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:17 AM
Oct 2012

Anyways, I'm sure like any other criminal investigation, sometimes you get the wrong guy/gal. It would suck to be the wrong person being held without charges, can't use habeas corpus to challenge your detention.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
22. I have mixed feelings about this Wikileaks. They have done some good work, but some things...
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:08 PM
Oct 2012

... sometimes should not be released. Thank God i do not have to make that decision. I do think they have trumped up these rape charges to make Assange look bad.

U4ikLefty

(4,012 posts)
23. Thx Hissy. I always look forward to your posts
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:12 AM
Oct 2012

They are usually interesting & well thought out.

Unlike my posts...lol!!!

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