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YBR31

(152 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:15 AM Oct 2012

Mitt Romney 'Binders Full Of Women' Claim Misleads

Source: Huffington Post

Mitt Romney raised eyebrows during the presidential debate Tuesday night when he claimed that as governor of Massachusetts, he had been so dismayed at the lack of female cabinet candidates that he sent women's groups out to find them.

"I went to a number of women's groups and said, 'Can you help us find folks?' and they brought us whole binders full of women," he said.

In fact, Romney did not direct women's groups to bring him female candidates, Boston Pheonix reporter David Bernstein points out. A non-partisan collaboration of women’s groups called Massachusetts Government Appointments Project (MassGAP) was responsible for the effort in 2002, when the group's leaders realized that women held only 30 percent of the top appointed positions in the state.

...

This statement, too, is misleading. While 42 percent of Romney’s appointments during his first 2-1/2 years as governor were women, the number of women in high-level appointed positions actually declined to 27.6 percent during his full tenure as governor, according to a 2007 MassGAP study.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/romney-binders-full-of-women_n_1972425.html?utm_hp_ref=politics



Does Mitt Romney really think women aren't capable of checking out the facts? He really doesn't give us much credit, does he?
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Mitt Romney 'Binders Full Of Women' Claim Misleads (Original Post) YBR31 Oct 2012 OP
Romney just can't stop telling lies Berlum Oct 2012 #1
That nose looks phallic Wednesdays Oct 2012 #8
Well it fits him durablend Oct 2012 #20
this shows two things underthematrix Oct 2012 #2
sounds as if a hostile environment or glass ceiling drove them away over time spooky3 Oct 2012 #3
Romney doesn't know if he is coming or going, he goes with it then walks it back liberal N proud Oct 2012 #4
Binders of women = porn mags under his bed. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #5
"Binders" seems like a strange way to put it BlueStreak Oct 2012 #10
Maybe to him, women exist only on paper? sofa king Oct 2012 #23
I wonder how many Chinese women are executives at Sensata? BlueStreak Oct 2012 #26
That's a good question! sofa king Oct 2012 #30
Nope, I was only half right. sofa king Oct 2012 #34
Ugh. Typical Romney LIE. AzDar Oct 2012 #6
Romney is safe as long as Women don't figure out how to use the Google machine BlueStreak Oct 2012 #7
I was wondering about that when he said it---it didn't seem very Romneyesque that he would be wordpix Oct 2012 #9
You make it sound like an escort service BlueStreak Oct 2012 #11
Rmoney's the one who made it sound like an escort service, not I wordpix Oct 2012 #13
The fundamentalist mormons, Warren Jeff's group, pick their underage brides from binders Squinch Oct 2012 #35
I actually believed him (though God knows why) but didn't for a minute think he was gateley Oct 2012 #25
my bullshit meter was full tilt Cosmocat Oct 2012 #40
Yeah, I got the same vibe when that came out of his mouth - no fucking way toby jo Oct 2012 #12
Of course he doesn't give women much credit Maeve Oct 2012 #14
Yes, dear. Now don't forget to pick up the dry cleaning and wash the car before he gets home sad sally Oct 2012 #37
Not even the ones who did the work , unasked Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #51
Yeah. More lies. Different day. closeupready Oct 2012 #15
Mitt Romney: Binders full of bullshit. beac Oct 2012 #16
All the parody and meme mania aside, this is what really matters. The Dude LIED! Coyotl Oct 2012 #17
It's hard to research facts when you're stuck in a binder. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #18
The question was if he supported equal pay for women. He didn't answer the question. 4lbs Oct 2012 #19
Good point!!!!! gateley Oct 2012 #24
Here's an excellent article just posted at ThinkProgress sad sally Oct 2012 #39
Anyone interested should read Justice Ginsburg's dissent. It is a thing of beauty. It didn't take spooky3 Oct 2012 #44
Questions I am dying to ask Romney !! Maineman Oct 2012 #21
K&R gateley Oct 2012 #22
This guy, can't even tell the truth when he is saying something stupid. olddad56 Oct 2012 #27
THIS! Cosmocat Oct 2012 #42
Say something stupid, Willard! tclambert Oct 2012 #28
The only reason I can see for the gop to run Romney is to make people forget about Bush. olddad56 Oct 2012 #29
how many women can you fit in a binder? I would think not even one. olddad56 Oct 2012 #31
So with 3 decades in the private sector he didn't encounter any qualified women? Retrograde Oct 2012 #32
Perhaps he didn't think he's be able to get any to work for him, hughee99 Oct 2012 #33
but wouldn't that be equally true for men? spooky3 Oct 2012 #38
Yes, it didn't seem like he hired too many men from his Bain background either. n/t hughee99 Oct 2012 #41
not necessarily from Bain, but he hired a lot of men, not only at the beginning spooky3 Oct 2012 #43
Not women in general, women from his business world. hughee99 Oct 2012 #45
I am in that world, and there have been a lot of women there for a long time. spooky3 Oct 2012 #46
Here's what I'm saying, and it doesn't seem too confusing to me. hughee99 Oct 2012 #47
good point - i can think of MANY I'd hire wordpix Oct 2012 #36
Binders=either porn collection or polygamist harem joanbarnes Oct 2012 #48
More 3-ring circus than 3-ring binder Blue Owl Oct 2012 #49
Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #50
Someone finally did a good chart on this.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #52

spooky3

(34,483 posts)
3. sounds as if a hostile environment or glass ceiling drove them away over time
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:34 AM
Oct 2012

42 to 27.6 in just a few years...and he couldn't find qualified women to replace them or to take positions that men left during that time?

Same ol', same ol'...

liberal N proud

(60,346 posts)
4. Romney doesn't know if he is coming or going, he goes with it then walks it back
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:36 AM
Oct 2012

How many statements has he walked back or changed since this campaign began?

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
10. "Binders" seems like a strange way to put it
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:55 AM
Oct 2012

I know whenever I have recruited for a position it was always STACKS of resumes. The process is something like:

1) Skim the resumes. Separate into different piles based on the first review. The majority will never be pursued.

2) Read the resumes in detail and create a pile of candidates you want to pursue.

3) Do interviews, reference checks, etc.

4) For the winning applicant, but the resume in the employee file.

I don't see how a binder helps, but maybe they put the resumes from the short list into a binder for Romney's review.

Or maybe it was more extensive. Maybe they required 10 years of tax returns for each candidate ad created a separate binder for each candidate.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
23. Maybe to him, women exist only on paper?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:12 PM
Oct 2012

But seriously, I'm pretty sure he chose that word half-carefully. Any finished product I ever sent to the feds or a partner or a chief had to be meticulously indexed, punched, divided and bound. It almost seems to be some sort of a ritual in law and government.

Romney has always "had a guy" for that (and in his case, it just might always have been an actual guy, not a gal). He was above mere resumes. He got reports. In binders.

"The guy" is the person who oversees the process, has the resumes collected, reviewed, and checked. The various documents are assembled into a report on a finalist candidate, with of course an all-important executive summary, and those are collected and bound and presented to the boss with some solemnity, because it's always nearly late and it's always someone beneath the guy's ass if there's a typo or an error or a mis-collation.

I think Romney chose the word because it highlights to his own importance, which is far more important than "people," especially "women."

Sorry, I've been reading Wonkette a lot lately. It makes me snide.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
30. That's a good question!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:32 PM
Oct 2012

I'm afraid I don't know or understand China well enough to know if their own fine porcelain ceilings have been broken yet. I rather doubt it, considering their heavy overall preference for male children.

My better half wants to ask a question of Mitt and his wife, one that I think cuts straight to the bone: "have you ever changed a diaper?" But if I were asking, I'd bring along a doll and a diaper, so he can demonstrate.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
34. Nope, I was only half right.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:05 PM
Oct 2012
http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx

I missed the two important punchlines!

1) Romney didn't ask for the study.

2) Romney didn't read them. The number of women in state government declined under him.

Serves me right for taking a single sentence that came out of that snake's mouth as plausible.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
7. Romney is safe as long as Women don't figure out how to use the Google machine
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:44 AM
Oct 2012

Women don't use Google, do they? They have their husbands (or servants) do that for them, right?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
9. I was wondering about that when he said it---it didn't seem very Romneyesque that he would be
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:51 AM
Oct 2012

so progressive as to request "binders of women" to hire

Squinch

(51,022 posts)
35. The fundamentalist mormons, Warren Jeff's group, pick their underage brides from binders
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 04:48 PM
Oct 2012

Wonder if that was what Mitt was thinking about. We KNOW he wasn't thinking about women executives, because, hey! Women can't be executives! They have to get home to make dinner!

...what a despicable dick...

gateley

(62,683 posts)
25. I actually believed him (though God knows why) but didn't for a minute think he was
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:14 PM
Oct 2012

Motivated by anything other than politics.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
40. my bullshit meter was full tilt
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:02 PM
Oct 2012

it pretty much runs in the red by the time he strings 2 words together, but that little diddy SCREAMED fricken bullshit.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
12. Yeah, I got the same vibe when that came out of his mouth - no fucking way
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:57 AM
Oct 2012

Can we force-feed fact checks to our right-wing buddies ? Everybody grab a righty and shove it down their throat or something?

Maeve

(42,288 posts)
14. Of course he doesn't give women much credit
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:58 AM
Oct 2012

We're all making dinner and picking up our kids from school--who has time to fact-check the bishop? And why would we even doubt him? Father knows best, after all! (Are my pearls straight?)
off

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
37. Yes, dear. Now don't forget to pick up the dry cleaning and wash the car before he gets home
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:25 PM
Oct 2012

Loved your 'pearls straight' line - was raised by a worked-two-jobs widowed Mom, with three little kids, who always thought the June Cleaver pearls & dressed up for dinner at home was too phony.

Ms. Toad

(34,102 posts)
51. Not even the ones who did the work , unasked
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:39 AM
Oct 2012

and created the binders in the first place so he would have no excuse not to appoint women to appropriate positions.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
17. All the parody and meme mania aside, this is what really matters. The Dude LIED!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:23 AM
Oct 2012

In front of a global audience, he could not control his own mouth and tell the truth. He had to inflate himself far beyond what the facts support.

It does not matter much (nor does he matter much anymore) why he is compelled to tell self-aggrandizing lies. What will prove most intyeresting is the follow-up with the people who created the so-called "binders full of women" and their telling of the true history of this tale.



4lbs

(6,865 posts)
19. The question was if he supported equal pay for women. He didn't answer the question.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:20 AM
Oct 2012

He talked about hiring women.

That wasn't the question. Nearly every business hires women.

DID HE PAY THE WOMEN HE HIRED THE SAME SALARY THAT HE DID THE MEN IN EQUIVALENT POSITIONS?

He never said either way.

However, we now get from one of his advisors that he wouldn't have signed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009 if he were President.

Thus, one can surmise that he didn't pay women equally, and doesn't support equal pay.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
39. Here's an excellent article just posted at ThinkProgress
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:38 PM
Oct 2012

Mitt Romney’s campaign just can’t figure out whether he supports equal pay for women or not. When asked last April about Romney’s view on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored equal pay rights the Roberts Court cut back in 2007, Romney’s campaign responded with an awkward six second silence followed by a promise to “get back” with an answer to the question. The campaign never answered whether Romney supports the law, merely stating that he is “not looking to change current law.” That is, of course, until last night, when Romney’s senior adviser Ed Gillespie said that Romney “was opposed to it at the time” and would not have signed the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. And that admission lasted all of a few hours. Gillespie now claims that Romney “never weighed in on it.”

The truth, however, is that we do not have to wonder about what Romney’s view on equal pay for women is. We do not even have to wait for his campaign to reveal Romney’s unspoken view on this issue, because the question can be answered in just one picture. This one:



That’s Justice Samuel Alito, the author of the Ledbetter opinion stripping many women of their right to equal pay for equal work. When asked how he would select his Supreme Court appointments if elected president, Romney named Alito, along with Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia and Thomas, as his models. All four of Romney’s model justices voted against Lilly Ledbetter and against equal pay for women.

Romney’s promise to place more Alitos on the Supreme Court matters much more than his claim that he is not currently interested in enacting anti-woman legislation. Indeed, it would matter even more than if Romney affirmatively promised to sign pro-woman legislation if elected president. Here is why:

Federal law requires many employees who face pay discrimination to meet a very brief deadline—often as short as six months—or else they lose their ability to challenge their employer’s unlawful actions. The flip side of this, however, is that this clock starts anew every time an employee receives a lower paycheck than her or his coworkers due to unlawful discrimination. As a unanimous Supreme Court explained in its 1986 decision in Bazemore v. Friday, “[e]ach week’s paycheck that delivers less to [an African-American] than to a similarly situated white is a wrong actionable” under federal law. Because gender discrimination is banned by the same law that prohibits race discrimination, Bazemore’s holding also benefited women.

Or, at least, it did until Justice Alito got his hands on it. Alito’s majority opinion in Ledbetter established that, if a woman’s employer makes a decision early in her career that undermines her earning power for decades, the woman must challenge that decision almost immediately or her rights are lost—and they are lost even if she did not discover she was a victim of pay discrimination until years later. Notably, in reaching this decision, the 5-4 majority relied heavily on a 1989 decision, Lorance v. AT&T Technologies, even though Lorance was overruled by an Act of Congress in 1991.

http://thinkprogress.org/

spooky3

(34,483 posts)
44. Anyone interested should read Justice Ginsburg's dissent. It is a thing of beauty. It didn't take
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:07 PM
Oct 2012

long for the Congress to agree with her and for the President to sign the LL Act.

Maineman

(854 posts)
21. Questions I am dying to ask Romney !!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:58 AM
Oct 2012

Mr. Romney, you are a religious man. You have given a ton of money to the Mormon church (at least that is your claim). I am wondering what your church's position is on personal integrity, on not lying to people.

Mr. Romney, the Mormon version of life after death is that if you have been good enough you might qualify to be the higher power of your own special planet somewhere out there in the universe. When you reflect on your own life, your business dealings, your political activites, do you feel you will qualify for your own planet? Does giving money to the church help you qualify for your own planet? Or, have you given up and decided to just go for top level power here on earth?

Mr. Romney, by your example, you are teaching your children and grandchildren that lying is acceptable and potentially useful. Are you comfortable being this kind of parent and grandparent?

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
28. Say something stupid, Willard!
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:29 PM
Oct 2012

"Binders full of women." (I love you, Mitt. You are the best opponent ever. (By "best" of course, I mean stupidest.))

See, he supposedly had to ask women's groups for a list of competent women because he didn't know any and none of the men on his staff knew any. That's my takeaway from that crazy stupid story.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
29. The only reason I can see for the gop to run Romney is to make people forget about Bush.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:30 PM
Oct 2012

because this guy could be an even bigger bungler.

Retrograde

(10,162 posts)
32. So with 3 decades in the private sector he didn't encounter any qualified women?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:49 PM
Oct 2012

He didn't meet any women working at Bain, or in the companies he destroyed, who would be fit to be in his cabinet? He had to ask outside groups to go find him some? He does live in the same century as the rest of us, right?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
33. Perhaps he didn't think he's be able to get any to work for him,
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:01 PM
Oct 2012

especially when offering a (relatively) low paying government job that will likely end in 4 years.

spooky3

(34,483 posts)
43. not necessarily from Bain, but he hired a lot of men, not only at the beginning
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:06 PM
Oct 2012

but also to replace the women who left, once people's attention was turned elsewhere (see other DU threads that document this).

He obviously was able to attract men with those salaries, so I am not buying salaries as the reason that women were not in the pool from the start.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
45. Not women in general, women from his business world.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:15 PM
Oct 2012

I don't recall him finding a whole lot of men OR women who went from very high salaries in the business world to working for him as governor. Maybe it's because of the salaries, maybe it's because people who had already worked with him didn't want to do it unless they were very well paid for it.

spooky3

(34,483 posts)
46. I am in that world, and there have been a lot of women there for a long time.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:27 PM
Oct 2012

You are making excuses for him that do not make sense.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
47. Here's what I'm saying, and it doesn't seem too confusing to me.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:34 PM
Oct 2012

There are a lot of PEOPLE (men and women) in the business world, but Romney only interacted, worked with, or knew a relatively small percentage of them. Those people were likely pretty well paid. Romney don't strike me as the kind of guy who is on a first name basis with the new interns or even the facilities or IT manager.

No, I can't think of any WOMEN he hired from that circle. I also can't think of any MEN he hired from THAT circle. If he even offered any of them a job, the PEOPLE (again, men and women) probably didn't want to take a pay cut for the "pleasure" of working with him in a temporary job.

You are suggesting he didn't hire or didn't know any qualified women from Bain. I'm saying he didn't seem to hire much of ANYONE from Bain, regardless of gender, when he was governor.

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