Charlie Fuqua, Arkansas Legislative Candidate Endorses Death Penalty For Rebellious Children In Book
Source: Huffington Post
Charlie Fuqua, the Republican candidate for the Arkansas House of Representatives who called for expelling Muslims from the United States in his book, also wrote in support for instituting the death penalty for "rebellious children."
In "God's Law," Fuqua's 2012 book, the candidate wrote that while parents love their children, a process could be set up to allow for the institution of the death penalty for "rebellious children," according to the Arkansas Times. Fuqua, who is anti-abortion, points out that the course of action involved in sentencing a child to death is described in the Bible and would involve judicial approval. While it is unlikely that many parents would seek to have their children killed by the government, Fuqua wrote, such power would serve as a way to stop rebellious children.
According to the Arkansas Times, Fuqua wrote:
The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:
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Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-candidate-death-penalty-rebellious-children_n_1948490.html
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)So, is the guy going to win the seat in Arkansas?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)District 63
Incumbent Republican Denny Altes is running for re-election to District 76 in 2012.
Democratic Party (United States) May 22 Democratic primary candidates:
James McLean Approved - Incumbent McLean was first elected to House District 72 in 2008.
Republican Party May 22 GOP primary candidates:
Charlie Fuqua Approved
November 6 General election candidates:
Democratic Party (United States) James McLean
Republican Party Charlie Fuqua
We'd need an Arkansas expert to let us know. McLean was elected unopposed in 2008 and 2010; I don't think a single person is running for re-election in the same number of district they now represent, so it looks like Altes may be irrelevant.
yardwork
(61,626 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Didn't even need to read that in the article to know that about him.
Clearly, he's a little, insecure man with dominance issues...
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)these people need to be.....put in a rubber room.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Mopar151
(9,983 posts)He's not concered with the womb. He's ( got ) control issues.
He's not concered with the womb. He's a pathetic little man.
He's a pathetic little man with control issues.
He's not concered with the womb. He's a pathetic little man with control issues.
And the 4th, original, doubly redudant statement.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Bandit
(21,475 posts)True Republican "Family Values" on display..
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)You want this kind of shit to stop?
People have to stop believing that book.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)except that it isn't really irrelevant until people stop trying to make laws from it.
If and when they stop that, it'll be irrelevant.
Until then it's a dead weight, a piece of propaganda, a weapon.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)from it."
And all of the money into lavish churches, around here the churches put Walmart to shame. I guess god likes shiny churches with big steeples. I guess people don't count except for persecution and money coming in ... The other day I went to take my blood pressure in the drug store and had to knock the bibles out of the way on the arm rest. It's sick ...
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)I saw a picture of him and an older woman who could be his wife. They were standing with three people in their twenties or thirties and a baby. They were in a church so it might have been his grandchild's christening. There was also a picture of him on the couch with a baby. The biography mentioned that he coaches a floor hockey team.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Many believers think humans can only be "good" if there is a threat hanging over them (i.e. "hell" and this guy thinks children will behave better if parents can threaten to have them killed.
It seems the lunacy in the bible really inspires...lunacy.
Julie
BanzaiBonnie
(3,621 posts)is the follow through.
If you have a child that is so rebellious that you must threaten them with death, then if they disobey again you must follow throuh.
I'm hoping that they just keep this crap coming. It's going to sink their GOP ship forever and a day.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)of religious people.
I once listened to a couple of fundamentalists briefly discuss that they could not understand how anyone could be expected to behave if they didn't have the threat of punishment hanging over them. It was clear that they honestly did not think anyone could behave well just because it was the right thing to do.
And if that underlying belief informs your view of the world, then holding out the possibility of having parents send their children off to be executed would make sense.
There's a science fiction novel begging to be written from this.
bluesbassman
(19,374 posts)Interesting how it would be the "government's" responsibility to execute little rebellious Johnny. I thought people like Fuqua were for less government?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that I am not shocked anymore. Hey everyone, those "holy" books are nothing but fiction- and bad fiction at that.
WestWisconsinDem
(127 posts)I am a theist, yes, but also an ex-Lutheran after 46 years in the church. No way I can be Christian when this kind of hate is part of the "faith."
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)rake in the cash from the sheep.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)this will make perfect sense to you and will justifiable. If not, you really aren't a believer and should pretense of believing in invisible sky fairies.
savannah43
(575 posts)Brilly
(26 posts)Where do the Republicans find these idiots???????????? OMG unbelievable!
Yep he is against abortion, but boy once they are born if they become rebellious,
let's kill them.............
I can't fathom, upon hearing this stuff, who votes for these morons???? Hope none of
his voters have rebellious kids. Just saying.....
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)Throws tantrums, kicks his or her mom all the time. Demands that she eat disgusting food.
If the doctor than certifies the fetus as rebellious, a troublemaker and a nuisance, perhaps even a Democrat, is abortion allowed in that case?
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)during labor?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I do, though, have a notion that Mr. Fuqua would be quite comfortable over there, where they've already put theocracy in place.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)How many others there are out there who have also been executed that we DON'T know about however....
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)not have the link. We have people in this country that would do exactly the same. We have a far more backward element in this country that I had ever imagined.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)I am against the death penalty for anyone for any crime, but why would you leave that part out? A 16 year old can be tried as an adult in the US too by the way, and it happens often. They especially would for rape.
From your link:
"However, some human rights organizations, including Human Rights Watch and the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, have urged observers to refrain from casting the incident as a "gay" issue, and cast doubt on the claim that Marhoni and Asgari were hanged as a result of consensual acts.They have emphasized instead that the executions are a violation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (Iran is a signatory to both), which prohibit the execution of minors."
More on the Convention on the Rights of the Child (which I guess did not apply to the 18 year old)
"The United States government played an active role in the drafting of the Convention and signed it on 16 February 1995, but has not ratified it.[1] Along with Somalia, the United States is one of only two countries in the world which have not ratified the Convention.[41] It has been claimed that opposition to the Convention stems primarily from political and religious conservatives."
The U.S. is right up there with Somalia(though Somalia has pledged to ratify it eventually, unlike the former). I am not so surprised, after reading the OP.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)This is what makes it so dangerous.
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)...until I read about this ass-wipe.
We're no longer "America". Fuqua is a space alien.
shraby
(21,946 posts)awake at night? This man is certifiably insane.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)no longer make excuses for them, we simply have a lot of F'en stupid people in the United States. Some years ago I never would have said this, but I've now seen and heard too much to conclude otherwise.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Say, for instance, the elderly parent does not like the son's wife and order him to divorce her? And he says "No." Is that a death penalty offense?If the elderly parent wants the child to quit work and stay home to take care of him and he says "No," can the elderly parent get the adult child killed? If the parent wants the child's money and the child says "No," can the parent kill the adult child and take his money? Is this law going to be enforced even if grandpa is senile?
What if dad wants Sis to make some money to help support her family by dropping out of school and working full time in a sweat shop and she refuses. Does he get to kill her? What if dad wants Sis to make some serious money by becoming a child prostitute or selling drugs to her friends at school? If she refuses, can he kill her? What if dad wants Sis to wipe his ass after he takes a shit? What if dad wants Sis to give him a blow job and she objects?
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)this country are so damn stupid and ignorant they run him as a candidate. Not everyone is a conservative republican, but most stupid people are ...
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)according to this functional halfwit, you can't touch anything until it's born but once born, then it's open season?
the new boogie man: Charlie Fuqua.
Parent: you better be good Johnny, otherwise Charlie Fuqua is coming to get you!
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Heinlein was writing a warning, not a suggestion, you theo-fascist fuck-wads.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)While Heinlein was facsinatingly accurate in his prediction of social and technical trends, his schedule was a bit off. So we've still got time to avoid this problem.
I think.
lady lib
(2,933 posts)heh.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)He is a lawyer (family law and personal injury as his main specialties), not a theologian.
If the guidelines for dealing with a rebellious child as outlined in Deuteronomy 21:18-21, then he needs to take some other items from Deuteronomy and apply them too:
1) Hungry people on your land, obtaining food? Deut. 23:24-35 says it's OK.
2) Taking a loan from one of your fellow countrymen? No interest can be charged - per Deut. 23:19-20
3) That poor worker you hired and who needs their wages? Pay up or it's a sin against the Lord, per Deut. 24:14-15
4) Find something belonging to someone else? Gotta return it per Deut. 22:1-4
5) Someone owes you money on the Sabbath Year? Forgive that debt, per Deut. 15:1-3
6) Find someone in need and you have the capability of loaning someone that money? Give that money, even if the 7th year is near, per Deut. 15:12-18
I could go on. Deuteronomy also goes on and cites things like not mixing seeds when planting (there goes genetically modified seeds), don't wear cotton and wool together in a garment, forbidding cross-dressing, eating only food that is considered "kosher", stoning those folk who "sleep around", oh and those pesky things called the Ten Commandments.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)only boys are eligible for stoning if they are rebellious.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
King James Version (KJV)
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Or did it not occur to the writers that females might behave in those same ways.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Freak.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)crazy!
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)he would be right at home with the Taliban freaks in Afghanistan or the Wahabbi thugs in Saudi Arabia.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)dmallind
(10,437 posts)...but chicken out once they see what that means. Assuming he's also ready to stone adulterers, rape victims who were too quiet, gays and Sunday workers among others, at least he walks the walk.
barbtries
(28,798 posts)we should kill our children. oh. my. gawd.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)should be watched carefully. And previous interactions should be investigated thoroughly.
rebuke
(56 posts)Reverend Jim Jones, David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect and dozens more professed their beliefs and teachings so that someone with reason can look at them and say: "Are you serious"? The sad part is that some podunks believe this is a good way of handling things. I have never seen a party like the Republicans that brings out the lunacy of a persons belief. If being a liberal means you have to think and question things then I'll just be a hated liberal.
Let's bring back the Spanish Inquisition and start the Crusades all over again so we can whip people into sheer stupidity.
Warpy
(111,267 posts)that they usually put a "d" on the end of his name.
I just hope enough of them are appalled by this (and by the embarrassment he's causing the state) to throw him out of office.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)F'ed up. This is an example of why candidates should be subjected to independent non-partisan mental health reviews. We have a lot of mentally disturbed people in office as well as candidates. Today, there are no safeguards to my knowledge ...
gauguin57
(8,138 posts)What the Fuqua is this scary idiot talking about? Good grief!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Oftentime a 'rebellious child' is one who has been disrepected, beaten or sexually abused by the elders in their family and seeking independence from the injustice that is crushing their humanity. IOW, it has a good cause.
Likewise the American Revolution, is presumed to have been fought for a just cause and for a reason. When it was over, the country would perfect itself by fostering equality. Thus, it would have no need for armed rebellion for justice. It is not the enemy of the people, but the engine to protect the people from their enemies, predatory corporations, bigots of all sorts, ignorance and misery.
The family values crowd of the GOP hold up the family as being more important that the child who rebells from being abused. They want all the laws that protected children from sexual exploitation by family members, being kept in ignorance and in bondage to authoritarian abuse, eliminated. In such cases, rebellion would be doing God's will, resisting the tyranny of a corrupt parent.
This guy is a sick authoritarian who wants to put this oppression on those who are less able to fend for themselves, and kill them if they resist. Sounds very much like a rapist mentality or a slave owner. But then, he supports slavery, too. I hope citizens of Arkansas will shun this benighted bastard.
A form of rebellion the GOP favors is that of 'a rebel without a cause,' often self-indulgent asses unwilling to confront the consequences of their own actions, threatening harm to take advantage of others. Teabaggers meet that definition.
alp227
(32,026 posts)And Mike Malloy was just going off about this story. I'll post the audio later.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)Deuteronomy 21 also says to deal unsolved murders by seizing a heifer from the town closest to where you found the body and beheading it.
But yeah, this is truly fucked up.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Kablooie
(18,634 posts)Which indicates they are referring to an adult son.
Not women and certainly not children.
This guy can't even understand the bible because he's so excited about his wonderful new idea of killing children.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)It's all or none Charlie. Picking and choosing which passages from the old testament you want to follow is stupid. You better be careful about spilling that seed too.
Oh and what about the 10 commandments? There's one in there for baring false witness.