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George II

(67,782 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:25 PM Aug 2020

USPS will stop removing letter collection boxes in Western states until after the election, spokesma

Source: CNN

(CNN)The US Postal Service will stop taking letter collection boxes off streets in Western states following accusations the removals would further limit some voters ability to send back mail-in ballots.

The change came after CNN and others reported on Friday that the US Postal Service has started reducing post office operating hours across several states and removing letter collection boxes, according to union officials.

In a statement Friday night, Rod Spurgeon -- a USPS spokesperson for the service's the Western region -- told CNN that the service will stop the removal of letter collection boxes in 16 states and parts of two others until after the election.

That means, according to Spurgeon, the USPS will stop collecting the letter collection boxes only in: Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Colorado, Kansas, Iowa, Alaska, Nebraska and small parts of Wisconsin and Missouri.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-removes-letter-collection-boxes-reduces-post-office-operating-hours/index.html



Only "western states", no mention of any other states. And can we believe them anyway?
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USPS will stop removing letter collection boxes in Western states until after the election, spokesma (Original Post) George II Aug 2020 OP
No, we can never, ever... JoeOtterbein Aug 2020 #1
Why are they not putting them back? Jarqui Aug 2020 #2
Exactly mjvpi Aug 2020 #24
They may not remove the boxes, but will they collect the mail from them? MiniMe Aug 2020 #3
so glad and sad i'm not alone in my level of paranoia of the current administration w0nderer Aug 2020 #28
Good, now reinstall those removed. nt greyl Aug 2020 #4
Maybe tiptonic Aug 2020 #12
Good notion, but law dictates USPS postmarks, so no SOS to UPS or FedEx. nt greyl Aug 2020 #13
Yeah and they've even removed a sorting machine in Wichita.... Bengus81 Aug 2020 #33
"Western states" not including California, hmmm unblock Aug 2020 #5
How about adding boxes to make it easier to vote by mail? Farmgirl1961 Aug 2020 #6
It would take each state changing its election laws. summer_in_TX Aug 2020 #21
at least we can drop them at the Elections Office in our county throughout early voting yellowdogintexas Aug 2020 #43
Awesome, I didn't realize that was part of the proclamation. summer_in_TX Aug 2020 #48
I wonder why California isn't on the list? yonder Aug 2020 #7
And virtually all rural "red" states. Tom Traubert Aug 2020 #30
see my post with the map below nt yellowdogintexas Aug 2020 #45
That means they know they must continue in upper Midwest/Rust Belt to repeat 2016 map RockRaven Aug 2020 #8
What I'm hearing..... paleotn Aug 2020 #9
I am far more concerned about the sorting machines. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #10
Yes, that is much worse overall PatSeg Aug 2020 #14
Agreed. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #15
I live in New Hampshire PatSeg Aug 2020 #16
Hey, neighbor. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #17
Hey there!!! PatSeg Aug 2020 #20
I haven't received my ballot yet. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #22
Well, most of my ancestors PatSeg Aug 2020 #37
Same here in Kansas and there needs to be WORK done by Dems on this... Bengus81 Aug 2020 #35
Oh absolutely PatSeg Aug 2020 #38
SO. AM. I That is a travesty nt yellowdogintexas Aug 2020 #41
Get ready tiptonic Aug 2020 #11
MOTHERFUCKERS NEED TO GO TO PRISON FOR THIS SHIT!!! AZ8theist Aug 2020 #18
The mailboxes that have been removed should be returned dlk Aug 2020 #19
The damage is already done. SergeStorms Aug 2020 #23
It's not over Cetacea Aug 2020 #26
They need to be put back now. onecaliberal Aug 2020 #25
... appalachiablue Aug 2020 #27
Iowa & The Dakotas Are Western States? ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #29
But apparently, California isn't N/T maxrandb Aug 2020 #31
Like I Said ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #39
The article states the Western Region. I hope the other Regional Directors yellowdogintexas Aug 2020 #42
DeJoy needs to be the FIRST Trump FUCKER out the door in January......... Bengus81 Aug 2020 #32
Biden calling it "bizarre". I'd call it voter suppression and call for an immediate investigation. Bengus81 Aug 2020 #34
CONTINUE giving them heat bluestarone Aug 2020 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Aug 2020 #40
map showing the districts (hope it works) yellowdogintexas Aug 2020 #44
Interesting. yonder Aug 2020 #47
Take a look at this bullshit right here mahina Aug 2020 #46
Why is this allowed to happen... diverdownjt Aug 2020 #49

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
2. Why are they not putting them back?
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:28 PM
Aug 2020

Same with the sorting machines (those that haven't destroyed yet)

mjvpi

(1,433 posts)
24. Exactly
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 01:01 AM
Aug 2020

But then the war on the USPS started during the George W administration with the unrealistic funding requirements for their pension program. Rump is batting clean up.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
28. so glad and sad i'm not alone in my level of paranoia of the current administration
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 05:18 AM
Aug 2020

they are exceptionally good at lying by omission and working literally by the rules without consideration for the 'spritit' of the law and only the exactly interpreted letter (when it suits them)

Bengus81

(6,941 posts)
33. Yeah and they've even removed a sorting machine in Wichita....
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:56 AM
Aug 2020

This is a CLEAR voter suppression because of the US Senate race here. Trump and Republicans know that Democrat Barbara Bollier can win that seat. WHY the hell else would the USPS remove a sorting machine and now drop boxes in Wichita/Sedgwick Co??

Anyone remember what Republicans did to try and stop Democrat Laura Kelly from becoming our Governor in 2018 out in Dodge City? They tried....didn't work.

summer_in_TX

(2,772 posts)
21. It would take each state changing its election laws.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:26 AM
Aug 2020

The Texas legislature is not in session until 2021.

yellowdogintexas

(22,292 posts)
43. at least we can drop them at the Elections Office in our county throughout early voting
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 03:42 PM
Aug 2020

it was on Election Day only but Abbott's proclamation to move the runoffs to July and add an extra 5 days to the early voting period also included the rule change on dropping off ballots.

STILL HAVE TO SHOW ID though

summer_in_TX

(2,772 posts)
48. Awesome, I didn't realize that was part of the proclamation.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 10:32 PM
Aug 2020

I'd just emailed the Elections Administrator for my county to find out if it was Election Day only as the LWV website here said.

yonder

(9,687 posts)
7. I wonder why California isn't on the list?
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:33 PM
Aug 2020

Is it because they have a gold mine of too many ballots to fuck with?

 

Tom Traubert

(117 posts)
30. And virtually all rural "red" states.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:29 AM
Aug 2020

Talk about rigging an election.

And you’ll ever guess the areas from which mail sorters are being removed.

RockRaven

(15,104 posts)
8. That means they know they must continue in upper Midwest/Rust Belt to repeat 2016 map
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:34 PM
Aug 2020
Why else qualify that statement by region?

paleotn

(18,015 posts)
9. What I'm hearing.....
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:42 PM
Aug 2020

Donnie and his thugs are catching hell on all sides and have their tails between their legs. I'd bet even Rethug congress critters are reading them the riot act. How the hell did they think this would play out? Fucking with the post office? Might as well ban apple pie. They're idiots. Incredible, freaking idiots. Ugh.

PatSeg

(47,774 posts)
14. Yes, that is much worse overall
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:59 PM
Aug 2020

The removal of the mailboxes is visually traumatic to most people, it summarizes what Trump is doing to our Postal Service. There is something frightening and sinister about it.

Every day you think it can't possibly get worse, but Trump manages to exceed all expectations. There is no bottom with him.

sheshe2

(84,100 posts)
15. Agreed.
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:13 PM
Aug 2020

My town is not huge, good size yet not huge. I live a mile+ from the post office. The town hall, a mile away is where we vote and I can drop my ballot if I choose to do so. Never a line to vote.

MA has sent ballot requests to all registered voters in the state. They are giving us the option.

Yes, there is no bottom. Let's vote that demented fool out.

PatSeg

(47,774 posts)
16. I live in New Hampshire
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 11:25 PM
Aug 2020

We have to request mail-in ballots, which all worked out fine. I'm in a small town now, so voting is rarely a hassle. It is cool that MA automatically sent out the requests to registered voters. I wish all states would do that.

When I lived in California, you could have mail-in ballots sent automatically every election until you either moved or opted out. They made voting so easy in California.

PatSeg

(47,774 posts)
20. Hey there!!!
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:12 AM
Aug 2020

I've already mailed in my primary ballot and I'm set up to receive my general election ballot. I checked online today to be sure!

I've only been in New England for ten years, so I still feel like a newbie. Most of my life was spent in the Midwest, the Chicago area. Meanwhile, I'm very close to the Massachusetts border!

sheshe2

(84,100 posts)
22. I haven't received my ballot yet.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:26 AM
Aug 2020

One week after requesting, mom and sis got there's. Mine should be here tomorrow.

Nah, ten years makes you a New England'er. Born and raised here in MA...and no I don't have a Boston accent.

PatSeg

(47,774 posts)
37. Well, most of my ancestors
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 09:58 AM
Aug 2020

came from New England, so I've spent a lot of time virtually in New England, while working on the family tree. I was born and raised in the Chicago suburbs and no I don't have a Chicago accent!

My daughter-in-law is from Massachusetts and she doesn't have an accent either, though her father does. This is a small town, so I'm optimistic that the ballots won't be slowed down too much. The primary came surprisingly quickly being it was during a pandemic.

Bengus81

(6,941 posts)
35. Same here in Kansas and there needs to be WORK done by Dems on this...
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 08:11 AM
Aug 2020

They need to run ads over and over telling people DO NOT set on your mail in ballot when it arrives. SHIT...fill it out that day and mail it back that day or the next day.

I did so in the Kansas Primary and my ballot would have been there at least 3-4 weeks before the cut off date.

PatSeg

(47,774 posts)
38. Oh absolutely
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 10:01 AM
Aug 2020

On the bright side, the word is out and everyone seems to be talking about the Postal Service, so they all are taking this very seriously.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
11. Get ready
Fri Aug 14, 2020, 10:47 PM
Aug 2020

Get ready for it people. Trump is going declare the election, 'null and void'. In his twisted mind, it already is.

dlk

(11,606 posts)
19. The mailboxes that have been removed should be returned
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:06 AM
Aug 2020

No telling how many have been removed in the dead of night.

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
23. The damage is already done.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 12:51 AM
Aug 2020

Those boxes will never be returned to their rightful place, and the sorting machines have already been destroyed. It's a fait accompli. Trump and DeJoy have already successfully altered the election in Trump's favor. People can complain, there can be all sorts of mea culpas, but sorry to say, it's too damned late already.

ProfessorGAC

(65,466 posts)
29. Iowa & The Dakotas Are Western States?
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 06:54 AM
Aug 2020

I can be in Iowa in about 80 minutes, and I'm east of the Mississippi!
Also, I'm seeing several red states on that list. How convenient!

yellowdogintexas

(22,292 posts)
42. The article states the Western Region. I hope the other Regional Directors
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 03:37 PM
Aug 2020

are doing this. Texas isn't on there

Maybe TX and CA have their own regions?

Bengus81

(6,941 posts)
32. DeJoy needs to be the FIRST Trump FUCKER out the door in January.........
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 07:51 AM
Aug 2020

WTF?!?!??!! Removing them in Kansas? Scared shitless that Bollier will beat that anti-science, Trump humper DOCTOR Roger Marshall for US Senate?

Bengus81

(6,941 posts)
34. Biden calling it "bizarre". I'd call it voter suppression and call for an immediate investigation.
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 08:07 AM
Aug 2020

Is the timing, a pandemic, millions wanting to vote by mail this time and Trumps poll numbers suspect??


Nah....move along,nothing to see here.

bluestarone

(17,143 posts)
36. CONTINUE giving them heat
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 09:52 AM
Aug 2020

They WOULD NOT do this on their own, so continue INVESTIGATING this ASSHOLE!!!

Response to George II (Original post)

yellowdogintexas

(22,292 posts)
44. map showing the districts (hope it works)
Sat Aug 15, 2020, 03:52 PM
Aug 2020

edited to clarify: Scroll through the document gobbledegook until you get to the map

The various regions are shown there. CA and AZ are one region. The rest of the West is another region. Texas, OK and LA are another region.

I had to look pretty hard to find it but I knew it had to exist somewhere. Every government entity has a district or regional map of some sort.
https://www.uspsoig.gov/sites/default/files/document-library-files/2015/FF-AR-10-224.pdf

diverdownjt

(703 posts)
49. Why is this allowed to happen...
Sun Aug 16, 2020, 07:38 AM
Aug 2020

Why is one political party allowed to destroy what the US constitution created?

We wouldn't let them tear down buildings we paid for with our taxes...why this?
Protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic. Well there has never been a clearer
example of a domestic enemy than this administration.

If one of our branches of govt. acts unilaterally without control or oversight of the other
two branches then we need the other two to get some balls and save our democracy.

Is there anyone who knows the law better than this to step in and do what's right.

The destruction of the US Postal Service needs to end now!!!!!!!!!!!

This is more critical than anyone knows.

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